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[quote=punch it in;1182287]I honestly do not know how you stay excited about this team. U r a better fan than me SF. Lol[/quote]

Never give up, no matter what. Injuries killed this team, if we were fully healthy we would take the NFC. We gave teams like Minnesota, NO and others games till the talent of the back ups caught up and key injuries during the game hurt us. I laugh when people say fire Gruden, he’s not perfect but we are headed in the right direction. We need to sign Cousins no matter what.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1182296]Never give up, no matter what. Injuries killed this team, if we were fully healthy we would take the NFC.[/quote]

Looking at it objectively trying to win the NFC, even the division the next two years is going to be tough. Philly has Wentz on a rookie deal for 2018-2019, the way he is playing that is like a $20 mil a year discount. Seattle's run a few years back was helped a lot by Russel Wilson playing for peanuts as soon as he got a raise Seattle had to let players go over money and they fell off.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1182296]Never give up, no matter what. Injuries killed this team, if we were fully healthy we would take the NFC. We gave teams like Minnesota, NO and others games till the talent of the back ups caught up and key injuries during the game hurt us. I laugh when people say fire Gruden, he’s not perfect but we are headed in the right direction. We need to sign Cousins no matter what.[/quote]

This is one of the more sensible posts on this topic. Firing Gruden would not help. It would only set us back. Most, if not all, of the complaints about Gruden are minor, IMO, and many of them are fixable. Let's look at the big picture.

1. This team plays hard for Jay Gruden.

2.We started the year as a much improved team but we were decimated by injuries - many serious injuries to key players. Sometimes, if there are too many injuries, then injuries [U]are[/U] a valid excuse.

3. We were one dropped pass and one bad penalty call away from possibly two more wins against tough teams on the road and we beat Seattle at their place.

4. Kirk Cousins has shown that he can lead 4th quarter comebacks. He dueled Drew Brees even up. He continues to improve as an NFL QB. It would be foolish to take him out of an offense he knows like the back of his hand. Don't forget that the FO stuck Kirk with a [U]huge[/U] downgrade at both WR positions to start the season.

5. I think we're on the right path with the addition of some solid FA vets and numerous promising young players. The young players are being developed by a mostly solid coaching staff.

6. This team is nowhere near a disaster. It could be a very good team soon. We must not go back to square one.

7. Finally, clear you mind for one moment and ponder who would be making the HC hiring decision if Jay Gruden were fired. Got it? OK. I rest my case.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1182305]This is one of the more sensible posts on this topic. Firing Gruden would not help. It would only set us back. Most, if not all, of the complaints about Gruden are minor, IMO, and many of them are fixable. Let's look at the big picture.

1. This team plays hard for Jay Gruden.

2.We started the year as a much improved team but we were decimated by injuries - many serious injuries to key players. Sometimes, if there are too many injuries, then injuries [U]are[/U] a valid excuse.

3. We were one dropped pass and one bad penalty call away from possibly two more wins against tough teams on the road and we beat Seattle at their place.

4. Kirk Cousins has shown that he can lead 4th quarter comebacks. He dueled Drew Brees even up. He continues to improve as an NFL QB. It would be foolish to take him out of an offense he knows like the back of his hand. Don't forget that the FO stuck Kirk with a [U]huge[/U] downgrade at both WR positions to start the season.

5. I think we're on the right path with the addition of some solid FA vets and numerous promising young players. The young players are being developed by a mostly solid coaching staff.

6. This team is nowhere near a disaster. It could be a very good team soon. We must not go back to square one.

7. Finally, clear you mind for one moment and ponder who would be making the HC hiring decision if Jay Gruden were fired. Got it? OK. I rest my case.[/quote]


Very good post! Couldn't have said it better myself. Gruden deserves another year. A year to coach a much healthier team and to coach Kirk Cousins who will hopefully have a couple more weapons to throw to next year. I hate talking about next year, but this team is so close. Gotta stay just a little more patient.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1182305]This is one of the more sensible posts on this topic. Firing Gruden would not help. It would only set us back. Most, if not all, of the complaints about Gruden are minor, IMO, and many of them are fixable. Let's look at the big picture.

1. This team plays hard for Jay Gruden.

2.We started the year as a much improved team but we were decimated by injuries - many serious injuries to key players. Sometimes, if there are too many injuries, then injuries [U]are[/U] a valid excuse.

3. We were one dropped pass and one bad penalty call away from possibly two more wins against tough teams on the road and we beat Seattle at their place.

4. Kirk Cousins has shown that he can lead 4th quarter comebacks. He dueled Drew Brees even up. He continues to improve as an NFL QB. It would be foolish to take him out of an offense he knows like the back of his hand. Don't forget that the FO stuck Kirk with a [U]huge[/U] downgrade at both WR positions to start the season.

5. I think we're on the right path with the addition of some solid FA vets and numerous promising young players. The young players are being developed by a mostly solid coaching staff.

6. This team is nowhere near a disaster. It could be a very good team soon. We must not go back to square one.

[B]7. Finally, clear you mind for one moment and ponder who would be making the HC hiring decision if Jay Gruden were fired. Got it? OK. I rest my case.[/B][/quote]

*barfs*

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I also think some of these late game F*&k Ups are because we have no depth with all our injuries. Seems we play hard starting the game and we just can't keep it up with little rotation for 4 qtrs.

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All really good points. Let's be honest, with the injury situation, we are in a precarious position. When healthy, and even sometimes when not, we can play with anyone. The Eagles didn't blow us out (the second game was particularly close), we hung with the Vikings and Saints until the last minute or so, and the Chiefs as well (looking less impressive now). Beating Seattle in Seattle is no small feat (just ask the Eagles). This team seems like it is trending in the right direction [U]despite[/U] DS and BA.

Our special teams are bad and have been bad for long enough that one has to think a coaching change there is not unrealistic. But defense started strong (but injuries have been brutal) and offense is punching above its weight when considering no legit 1WR, no legit RB, and a TE1 who is chronically injured.

Does Gruden have room for improvement? Of course. I'd like to see a better use of timeouts, halftime adjustments, and making better use of certain player skills (e.g., why aren't we throwing to Vernon Davis more often?). But no team is likely do perform well with 1/3 on IR and another 1/3 walking wounded. We have lacked consistency as an organization for too long; let's give Gruden a little more time, I'd say.

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[quote=calia;1182318]All really good points. Let's be honest, with the injury situation, we are in a precarious position. When healthy, and even sometimes when not, we can play with anyone. The Eagles didn't blow us out (the second game was particularly close), we hung with the Vikings and Saints until the last minute or so, and the Chiefs as well (looking less impressive now). Beating Seattle in Seattle is no small feat (just ask the Eagles). This team seems like it is trending in the right direction [U]despite[/U] DS and BA.

Our special teams are bad and have been bad for long enough that one has to think a coaching change there is not unrealistic. But defense started strong (but injuries have been brutal) and offense is punching above its weight when considering no legit 1WR, no legit RB, and a TE1 who is chronically injured.

Does Gruden have room for improvement? Of course. I'd like to see a better use of timeouts, halftime adjustments, and making better use of certain player skills (e.g., why aren't we throwing to Vernon Davis more often?). But no team is likely do perform well with 1/3 on IR and another 1/3 walking wounded. We have lacked consistency as an organization for too long; let's give Gruden a little more time, I'd say.[/quote]

the last bit about gruden has been true for years though so it worries me in regards to the room for improvement, that he hasn't really made any noticeable strides by way of the eye test...

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[quote=Meks;1182321]the last bit about gruden has been true for years though so it worries me in regards to the room for improvement, that he hasn't really made any noticeable strides by way of the eye test...[/quote]

I wonder who has been helping Jay to develop as a HC.

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[QUOTE=SFREDSKIN;1182296]Never give up, no matter what. Injuries killed this team, if we were fully healthy we would take the NFC. We gave teams like Minnesota, NO and others games till the talent of the back ups caught up and key injuries during the game hurt us. I laugh when people say fire Gruden, he’s not perfect but we are headed in the right direction. We need to sign Cousins no matter what.[/QUOTE]

Agreed 100%
I also think some of the costly mistakes can go away if this teams starts viewing itself like a solid one that deserves winning and players have a stronger and deeper confidence in themselves and what they can achieve.
The Saints game alone shows me a team that has tremendous potential (even with the injuries) but isn't mentally ready to win big games.

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I said no but I will say that I hate how his teams play early in the season. Sometimes they look like they are still in preseason mode and it pisses me off.

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You don't fire the man with this many injuries. I don't feel he's going to take us over the top, but he certainly doesn't need to be fired given our situation this year.

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1182340]I said no but I will say that I hate how his teams play early in the season. Sometimes they look like they are still in preseason mode and it pisses me off.[/quote]

I don't think he's ever started 1-0 has he?

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1182363]I don't think he's ever started 1-0 has he?[/quote]

You are correct he started 0-1 all 4 years.

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[QUOTE=Buffalo Bob;1182411]You are correct he started 0-1 all 4 years.[/QUOTE]That shit makes a difference, starting in the hole is hard enough

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[quote=Buffalo Bob;1182304]Looking at it objectively trying to win the NFC, even the division the next two years is going to be tough. Philly has Wentz on a rookie deal for 2018-2019, the way he is playing that is like a $20 mil a year discount. Seattle's run a few years back was helped a lot by Russel Wilson playing for peanuts as soon as he got a raise Seattle had to let players go over money and they fell off.[/quote]

Not true. Seattle fell off because they had to also pay Wagner, Sherman, Thomas, Kam, Graham, Bennett, Baldwin...Between all those guys it's probably more than half of their cap. Wilson at 20 million is right now a good deal.

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Uhhh no. Firing Gruden would be beyond foolish.

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See u later Jay and company.

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yes, fire his ass

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I’d fire the training staff long before Jay and company.

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[quote=MTK;1182815]I’d fire the training staff long before Jay and company.[/quote]

Something needs to be done, and we need to promote Doug to GM

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[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/12/11/jay-gruden-at-loss-for-words-after-latest-blowout-loss/]Jay Gruden at “loss for words” after latest blowout loss – ProFootballTalk[/url]

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[quote=MTK;1182815]I’d fire the training staff long before Jay and company.[/quote]

I believe the injuries are more than just bad luck, who knows what is causing it, it could be a multitude of things. Of course the training staff could be all or part of it. It also could be on Gruden and the coaching staff for how they manage players, whether it be at practice or in games. It could be on the front office for drafting or picking up too many free agents with past injury histories. I don't blame Fedex field as way more Redskins limped off the field than Giants during the last home game.

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"Because I'm not going to be a part of something that's not going to go forward and win a championship," Norman said. "That's serious. I don't care about the money, I don't care about the fame, I don't care about anything. The only thing I care about is that ring. You can strip me however you want to; strip all the titles I have to my name. If I don't win a championship, that means it's all for nothing."

That is y I love Norman, he wants to win. Dude was so down after the SB loss. It's a shame that this team has already given up on their HC

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1182844]"Because I'm not going to be a part of something that's not going to go forward and win a championship," Norman said. "That's serious. I don't care about the money, I don't care about the fame, I don't care about anything. The only thing I care about is that ring. You can strip me however you want to; strip all the titles I have to my name. If I don't win a championship, that means it's all for nothing."

That is y I love Norman, he wants to win. Dude was so down after the SB loss. It's a shame that this team has already given up on their HC[/quote]

If he's serious and really means it, then he must restructure since money is not an issue. Right?

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I really don't want any off these Tampa rejects. I would fire Bruce today, he's fucking useless. Just a useless sack of spoiled shit. Anyone can do the welcome home BS. He's terrible at his job and doesn't even know basic PR. Seriously, where would Bruce Allen be today if he's last name wasn't Allen? Certainly not President of the Redskins. I've never seen a more incompetent person in a high level position in my life. The only thing he's good at is being cheap w/ Snyder's money.

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[B][U]DJ Swearinger:[/U][/B]

[QUOTE]“It was like just this, ‘Blah, blah. OK, we’re out here at practice. Blah,'” Swearinger said. “We’ve got to practice better. I’ve been saying it all year. … It’s not surprising at all to me. You don’t prepare well, you’re going to fail. I don’t think we prepared well with some of the questions that’s been asked [by players] before the game. ‘Are you doing this right here? Are you doing this right there?’ We’re just not prepared.”[/QUOTE]

Fire Gruden.

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Then DJ should call out people along with the other leaders of the team.

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If you can't see that the Redskins are not an organized outfit, then I don't know what you're looking at.

The team misses McVay direly on offense. He was the one who was organized. Gruden knows how to call plays and understands schematics. But he sucks at communicating it throughout the organization to the offensive coaches, offensive players, and getting them prepared in an organized and cohesive fashion.

McVay was the one who took the vision and communicated it, coached it, and implemented it. He was the one with the coaching talent.

Gruden needs to go, or he needs to find the next McVay on the double.

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Feel bad for Josh, to a degree, bc I think we does want to win more than money. Players who play to win are becoming fewer and fewer.

Hes emotional, a 3 year window for this team has just been closed ... but its a pet peeve of mine when ppl say "no disrespect meant but ..(says disrespectful things)".

"Im not here to throw anyone under the bus ... but Im being used wrong."

These last 3 games and off season will suck. Players griping, finger pointing, leaks slandering coaches and players ....

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Fire.

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[quote=over the mountain;1182852]Feel bad for Josh, to a degree, bc I think we does want to win more than money. Players who play to win are becoming fewer and fewer.

Hes emotional, a 3 year window for this team has just been closed ... but its a pet peeve of mine when ppl say "no disrespect meant but ..(says disrespectful things)".

"Im not here to throw anyone under the bus ... but Im being used wrong."

These last 3 games and off season will suck. Players griping, finger pointing, leaks slandering coaches and players ....[/quote]

That is typical for skins fans man, we are so used to this now. I honestly don't care about the Wins and Losses, I watch the games just to watch and I have for a couple years now. I wouldn't go to games knowing we would get beat (Dallas this yr) if I actually cared lol. As a fan of the game all u can do is watch, we suck and have for 25 years now. Nothing will change because Dan is the owner, people want to say "stop bashing Dan" Numbers don't lie folks.

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Listening to Inside the Locker Room all of them seemed as disgusted as I was for kicking an extra point and making it 30-13 and then not even trying an onside kick. First off with over two minutes left, the two minute warning coming and all 3 timeouts you still have a slim chance. You don't quit and at the least the Redskins could use work on their two point conversions and onside kicks. Pathetic coaching at it's finest, fire Gruden's sorry ass.

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[quote=Buffalo Bob;1182896]Listening to Inside the Locker Room all of them seemed as disgusted as I was for kicking an extra point and making it 30-13 and then not even trying an onside kick. First off with over two minutes left, the two minute warning coming and all 3 timeouts you still have a slim chance. You don't quit and at the least the Redskins could use work on their two point conversions and onside kicks. Pathetic coaching at it's finest, fire Gruden's sorry ass.[/quote]

yeah He starts out the game going for it on 4th down when it's still a game but doesn't gamble when we are down big? He is so odd with his playcalling. It's like he wants to lose or something

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I'm 99% sure he gets fired now. We've actually now regressed record wise the last 3 years and this one might end up like 6-10.

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Jay Gruden said he thought about going for a two-point conversion after Bashaud Breeland's interception return for a touchdown made it 30-12. They could have cut it to a two-score game with 2:36 remaining. But Gruden said they were down to one running back, three receivers and left tackle Trent Williams was done. Gruden said he didn't want to risk further injuries by trying to extend the game. "I wanted to get out of the game, get back on the plane and get ready for Arizona," he said.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1182904]I'm 99% sure he gets fired now. We've actually now regressed record wise the last 3 years and this one might end up like 6-10.[/quote]

yeah the last 2 years we have fallen flat, 8-7-1 is a bad season for a defending division champ, now we may end up 5-11? Yeah not good

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1182904]I'm 99% sure he gets fired now. We've actually now regressed record wise the last 3 years and [B]this one might end up like 6-10.[/B][/quote]

There definitely aren't any easy wins the way the Redskins are playing, back to back games where they got destroyed, pretty embarrassing.