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[quote=DYoungJelly;1186794]Football players and Cravens, Doctson, and Jones.

Better?[/quote]

I’m not given up doctson...but Cravens (who’s wanted to quit at usc and quit here) and Matt Jones we’re clearly busts.

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[quote=Chico23231;1186793]How in the hell was sua Cravens a football player?[/quote]

Put the tape on and you'll see a pretty gifted football player, physically.

Unfortunately, football requires mental toughness too which I don't think Cravens had as much of.

Same goes for Jones albeit with a lesser ceiling.

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What a fucking shocker....

[url=http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/22256540/group-calls-washington-redskins-follow-cleveland-indians-lead]Group calls for Washington Redskins to follow Cleveland Indians' lead[/url]

People just live to be offended.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1186890]What a fucking shocker....

[URL="http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/22256540/group-calls-washington-redskins-follow-cleveland-indians-lead"]Group calls for Washington Redskins to follow Cleveland Indians' lead[/URL]

People just live to be offended.[/quote]

As soon as I saw the Indians headline I saw this coming. Why don't they change the Indians name?

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[quote=mooby;1186891]As soon as I saw the Indians headline I saw this coming. Why don't they change the Indians name?[/quote]

And I like how they're waiting a year to rack up all this extra merchandise revenue.

I'm a FSU fan, Seminoles seems to be ok. Every other reference to native americans is deemed offensive nowadays.

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The term Redskin has always been a derogatory term. The team and fan base just don't give a F*@k about how the name makes others' feel. The name won't change without a bitter fight and that's it.

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I applaud what the Indians are doing. I’m starting to think the Skins could benefit from a fresh start, new name, new uniforms, maybe new karma?

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[quote=MTK;1186912]I applaud what the Indians are doing. I’m starting to think the Skins could benefit from a fresh start, new name, new uniforms, maybe new karma?[/quote]

They were bought out...Rob Manfred just announced this:

[url=http://www.cleveland.com/tribe/index.ssf/2017/01/cleveland_indians_all-star_gam_1.html]Sources: Cleveland Indians to host 2019 MLB All-Star Game at Progressive Field | cleveland.com[/url]

and a couple days later chief whatever is gone.

quid pro quo


As for the name, im at the point just change it. We spend so much time on things that make zero impact on our society. Im sure these 10% of Indians who are offended will find something else to blame for their problems shortly after the change.

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[quote=MTK;1186912]I applaud what the Indians are doing. I’m starting to think the Skins could benefit from a fresh start, new name, new uniforms, maybe new karma?[/quote]

I'm really interested in reading you guys' takes on this matter.

Not being American makes it difficult to have an opinion. I tried to read a lot about it.

It's quite clear it wasn't controversial at all when the name first changed from Braves to Redskins.
I even read article saying there's a controversy on wether the word Redskins comes from a slur used by Europeans to design the Natives or a translation of a word the Natives used to talk about themselves, through the french "Peaux Rouges".

On the other hand, the Washington Post poll claiming 90% of the Natives don't find the Redskins name offensive apparently wasn't really reliable (only 500 respondent, self identified as Native Americans via telephone with no checking of that self identification).

All the articles I found were quite evidently written by somebody supporting one or the other side of this controversy. Hard to make an opinion from these.

At this point, wouldn't one solution for the Redskins be to fund a study, conducted by an independent institution, asking, for say, 2000 truly identified and randomly selected Natives (not voluntaries to respond to the study) if they find the name offensive ?

That way if it turns out the majority of them doesn't find it offensive, it shuts critics up, if it turns out the majority of them does find it offensive, the team can go back to being the Braves without looking like they gave up to a loud minority.
How dumb is this idea?

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I'm actually open to changing the name to warriors but keeping everything else, colors, logo all that.. If they change the entire name, logo, colors I wouldn't be a fan anymore. I am not from the DMV area so it's not like I have ties there, I grew up a REDSKINS fan not a "Generals" or whatever.

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[quote=FrenchSkin;1186940]I'm really interested in reading you guys' takes on this matter.

Not being American makes it difficult to have an opinion. I tried to read a lot about it.

It's quite clear it wasn't controversial at all when the name first changed from Braves to Redskins.
I even read article saying there's a controversy on wether the word Redskins comes from a slur used by Europeans to design the Natives or a translation of a word the Natives used to talk about themselves, through the french "Peaux Rouges".

On the other hand, the Washington Post poll claiming 90% of the Natives don't find the Redskins name offensive apparently wasn't really reliable (only 500 respondent, self identified as Native Americans via telephone with no checking of that self identification).

All the articles I found were quite evidently written by somebody supporting one or the other side of this controversy. Hard to make an opinion from these.

At this point, wouldn't one solution for the Redskins be to fund a study, conducted by an independent institution, asking, for say, 2000 truly identified and randomly selected Natives (not voluntaries to respond to the study) if they find the name offensive ?

That way if it turns out the majority of them doesn't find it offensive, it shuts critics up, if it turns out the majority of them does find it offensive, the team can go back to being the Braves without looking like they gave up to a loud minority.
How dumb is this idea?[/quote]

CNBC and others followed up the WaPo poll with additional polls, some with more responses, and still found a mix of 85/15 and 80/20 in favor of those saying they're not offended. The opinions of the Native American population continue to reflect those of the broader population.

To me it's simple: the party that stands to be potentially injured by the name is the Native Americans. If you poll them, and you get close to 50/50, then I'd say that calls for a change.

But as long as every poll comes out saying that it doesn't bother the majority of them, then it's fine. I'm not interested in satisfying a whiny minority. I'm interested in what the majority of their ethnic group thinks.

The name should stay unless they say otherwise.

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[quote=Schneed10;1186943]CNBC and others followed up the WaPo poll with additional polls, some with more responses, and still found a mix of 85/15 and 80/20 in favor of those saying they're not offended. The opinions of the Native American population continue to reflect those of the broader population.

To me it's simple: the party that stands to be potentially injured by the name is the Native Americans. If you poll them, and you get close to 50/50, then I'd say that calls for a change.

But as long as every poll comes out saying that it doesn't bother the majority of them, then it's fine. [B] I'm not interested in satisfying a whiny minority. I'm interested in what the majority of their ethnic group thinks.

The name should stay unless they say otherwise.[/B][/quote]

Seems pretty reasonable to me. I wasn't aware other polls had been conducted.

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[quote=Schneed10;1186943]CNBC and others followed up the WaPo poll with additional polls, some with more responses, and still found a mix of 85/15 and 80/20 in favor of those saying they're not offended. The opinions of the Native American population continue to reflect those of the broader population.

To me it's simple: the party that stands to be potentially injured by the name is the Native Americans. If you poll them, and you get close to 50/50, then I'd say that calls for a change.

But as long as every poll comes out saying that it doesn't bother the majority of them, then it's fine. I'm not interested in satisfying a whiny minority. I'm interested in what the majority of their ethnic group thinks.

The name should stay unless they say otherwise.[/quote]

Agreed. And I thought this controversy was dead and buried with the outcome from the last lawsuit? If the Cleveland Indians decided it was best to remove their logo, then that's fine. However, completely different situation with the Redskins logo. It was created by a Native American Chief. At least, until someone gives me proof that such a story was fabricated, then that's what I'm rolling with. It's not like the Redskins logo is a cartoon depiction. I think it's an honorable logo. Of course, I'm a white guy, so what do I know?

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Perks of liking random teams is name changes don't bother me. I was a Sonics fan before they moved to OKC.

The only reason I'm against this change is the reasons for it. If Native Americans largely prefer the name or are indifferent who is everyone else to say they should be offended? Pretty condescending if you ask me. And I don't like kowtowing to the PC crowd because after the name changes they'll just move onto something else to be offended by.

That being said, if we could tie the name change into playing in new stadium back in DC again I'd seriously be torn about changing it. The Piscataway's were native to the DC area. We could still honor native americans and do it with a specific historical flavor to the DC area.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1186980]Perks of liking random teams is name changes don't bother me. I was a Sonics fan before they moved to OKC.

The only reason I'm against this change is the reasons for it.[B] If Native Americans largely prefer the name or are indifferent who is everyone else to say they should be offended? Pretty condescending if you ask me. And I don't like kowtowing to the PC crowd because after the name changes they'll just move onto something else to be offended by.[/B]

That being said, if we could tie the name change into playing in new stadium back in DC again I'd seriously be torn about changing it. The Piscataway's were native to the DC area. We could still honor native americans and do it with a specific historical flavor to the DC area.[/quote]

This is kind of how I feel about PC issues. How many people does it take to take action against something? 1? 1,000,000? I'm fairly liberal, but that shit does annoy me especially when the people who care seem to be largely Caucasian.

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The majority is often silent.

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Watching the KC vs Tenn replay, based on what happened to Smith and that offense once Kelce went out, I think we need to bring in another guy. Adjusting to a key loss like that in game is much different than between games, so it's not to say that team with that talent couldn't be productive without a monster TE, and I put that kind of adjustment more on the coach than the QB, but looking at all his tape, I think TE is important for him, and really it's just important in the league now.

That said, if we can stay healthy at TE, especially if we bring in or next starter to develop, our TE corps is one of the best in the league. Smith will ball out with Reed and I'm sure he's looking forward to reuniting with VD. A solid guy that can block well and be a threat in the passing game would give us a succession plan in place at a really key position for Grudens offense and Smith's strengths.

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Well, Reed is not expected to participate OTAs.. This is disappointing, I'm certain Reed knows plays and all that but it would be nice if he has opportunity to build chemistry with Smith..

[url]https://twitter.com/JPFinlayNBCS/status/978597090619285504[/url]

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[QUOTE=GridIron26;1191653]Well, Reed is not expected to participate OTAs.. This is disappointing, I'm certain Reed knows plays and all that but it would be nice if he has opportunity to build chemistry with Smith..

[url]https://twitter.com/JPFinlayNBCS/status/978597090619285504[/url][/QUOTE]Moves TE priority up a notch in my mind.

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I think changing the name to Warriors would be cool but keeping the same colors and logo, if they change it all up it would just kill the tradition.

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#Redskins are adding recovery facilities this offseason to try and fight injuries. “Better work because it’s expensive,” Gruden says.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1191655]Moves TE priority up a notch in my mind.[/quote]

I agree.. Unfortunately, at this point, I think we don't really have choice but to stick with what we have until next offseason? Reed (nothing needs to be said), Davis is on last year of the contract and Sprinkle is still unknown. That is unless highly rated rookie TE falls to us in 2nd (or 3rd round if we trade back) then I can see us drafting one.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1191658]#Redskins are adding recovery facilities this offseason to try and fight injuries. “Better work because it’s expensive,” Gruden says.[/quote]

Good thing it's just Snyder's money. Well if you want to be technically, that money comes from us fans..

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[quote=GridIron26;1191653]Well, Reed is not expected to participate OTAs.. This is disappointing, I'm certain Reed knows plays and all that but it would be nice if he has opportunity to build chemistry with Smith..

[url]https://twitter.com/JPFinlayNBCS/status/978597090619285504[/url][/quote]

He will have some kind of injury before training camp starts.

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Moses and Trent Williams also won't be there for OTA's.

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[quote=MTK;1191663]Moses and Trent Williams also won't be there for OTA's.[/quote]

It's weird, Reed's makes me say, Ugh... not again
with TW and Moses I think, Ok rest up it's a loooong season

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here is truth:

[QUOTE]Kimberley A. Martin
@ByKimberleyA
2h2 hours ago

Asked today re: lack of FA signings, Jay notes if #Redskins had signed a bunch of guys, they’d be criticized for spending wildly + if they don’t make a ton of moves, they’d be criticized for not approaching FA the right way.

Gruden said they’re just doing what’s best for team
[/QUOTE]

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I certainly feel for Redskins management for having to face criticism just because THEY ARE LOSING and doing little to fix the deficiencies that cause the losing. Here's an idea for Jay: Just WIN and the criticism will abate.

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[QUOTE=KI Skins Fan;1191666]I certainly feel for Redskins management for having to face criticism just because THEY ARE LOSING and doing little to fix the deficiencies that cause the losing. Here's an idea for Jay: Just WIN and the criticism will abate.[/QUOTE]Honestly though, there have been several sources from other teams and guys who cover the team closely (JP Finley) that don't see the level of dysfunction that once existed and believe that Gruden is leading the organization in the right direction.

In a way, I do feel for Jay having to answer for the mistakes of those that came before him. I'm not saying he's made no mistakes himself, but it must be annoying to have your approach questioned with skepticism constantly when you feel you have been making progress.

I honestly think that any Skins fan that is upset about the way they've handled FA for the past 4 years must have been in a coma for the preceding 10.

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[QUOTE=skinsfaninok;1191658]#Redskins are adding recovery facilities this offseason to try and fight injuries. “Better work because it’s expensive,” Gruden says.[/QUOTE]


Cooley said they’re investing $600k in recovery tanks. Also said players were asked about any improvements or what could be done regarding injuries, mostly just bad luck was the response. Still, good to hear something is being done even if it’s must a mental thing why not try it

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[quote=MTK;1191680]Cooley said they’re investing $600k in [B]recovery tanks[/B]. Also said players were asked about any improvements or what could be done regarding injuries, mostly just bad luck was the response. Still, good to hear something is being done even if it’s must a mental thing why not try it[/quote]

[IMG]http://starwarsblog.starwars.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/bacta-tank-luke-han-leia-1024x429.jpg[/IMG]

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[QUOTE=Ruhskins;1191681][IMG]http://starwarsblog.starwars.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/bacta-tank-luke-han-leia-1024x429.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]


I wonder how much a bacta tank goes for lol

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[quote=MTK;1191680]Cooley said they’re investing $600k in recovery tanks. Also said players were asked about any improvements or what could be done regarding injuries, mostly just bad luck was the response. Still, good to hear something is being done even if it’s must a mental thing why not try it[/quote]

Whatever works, do it! Lock Reed up in one until game one of the season.

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I think it's these: [url=http://aquafloatcville.com/]AquaFloat of Charlottesville, Virginia | Massage Therapy, Float Tanks, Infrared Sauna[/url]

My wife and I tried this. Freakiest feeling EVER.

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[quote=metalskins;1191693]Whatever works, do it! Lock Reed up in one until game one of the season.[/quote]

Like literally in a padded room like an insane asylum. Only round rubber plates and glasses too otherwise he might get most severe cut ever and miss half the season. No silverware. All fingerfoods.

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Honestly at this point if we get 10 games out of 86 its a great yr.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1191701]Honestly at this point if we get 10 games out of 86 its a great yr.[/quote]

If he played the complete 1st 2 games I'd be shocked. Dude will for sure pull a hammy 2nd half of week 1.

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[url=http://www.espn.com/blog/washington-redskins/post/_/id/36071]Redskins on hold with Johnathan Hankins, but draft could yield DL - Washington Redskins Blog- ESPN[/url]

Would you rather have Hankins or Vea/Payne/Hurst?

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1191704][url=http://www.espn.com/blog/washington-redskins/post/_/id/36071]Redskins on hold with Johnathan Hankins, but draft could yield DL - Washington Redskins Blog- ESPN[/url]

Would you rather have Hankins or Vea/Payne/Hurst?[/quote]

Hankins 1st. A toss-up between Vea and Payne 2nd.

Or give me Hankins and draft Payne or Hurst (if his medicals 100% check out). Double dip.

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;1191694]I think it's these: [url=http://aquafloatcville.com/]AquaFloat of Charlottesville, Virginia | Massage Therapy, Float Tanks, Infrared Sauna[/url]

My wife and I tried this. Freakiest feeling EVER.[/quote]

"12 inches of water saturated with 850 lbs. of Epsom salts"

I had to read that a couple times and then had to google float pod to see it in action.


Its crazy to when everyday physics can be turned up side down...

Did you have any trouble floating...or does it really depend on being motionless?