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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1206996]If Fitzpatrick scrambled like Tarkenton, what do you think Watson can do? 2 legit receivers in Hopkins and Thomas. Remember the Falcons patched line? Redskins need to dominate on D to win this game, after to iffy performances on D they are due to play better.[/quote]

Houston doesn't have the same receiving threats that the Bucs do. The Redskins D played it safe and kept the Bucs receivers in front of them all game. Hence why I think they allowed Fitz to scramble so much. After DeAndre Hopkins (who is an elite threat at receiver), I don't think any of their receivers scare anyone (we got lucky with Fuller being out).

Hopefully the Redskins D can contain Watson the same way they contained Cam. It'd be nice to have Dunbar back, last thing I want is to see Danny Johnson or Stroman covering Hopkins.

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Nobody is talking about the skins.

Last 5 games = 4-1
VS the NFC = 6-2 (3rd best in conference)
Have not allowed over 17 points in 4 of the last 5.
+11 Turnover ratio.

4th in the NFL is Rush Defense.
Tied for 12th in sacks.

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Let me see in the last 5 seasons we have 3 wins, 4 wins, 9 wins, 8 wins, and 7 wins, yet we have guys complaining about 6-3. As Vince Lombardi used to say "What the hell is going on here?" Do note I have only been a hardcore Redskin fan since moving from Cali in 2011, but I didn't think it was always Super Bowl or bust here, this is finally a step in the right direction, stop complaining and look forward to further improvement.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1207002]Nobody is talking about the skins.

Last 5 games = 4-1
VS the NFC = 6-2 (3rd best in conference)
Have not allowed over 17 points in 4 of the last 5.
+11 Turnover ratio.

4th in the NFL is Rush Defense.
Tied for 12th in sacks.[/quote]

But we suck

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A couple of thoughts:

1. I think the game plan on defense was a good one and worked. Obviously, they gave up all underneath and played double deep in the back. Kept everything in front of them. It could have gone south if the Bucs didn't do stupid stuff, but the Bucs have been doing stupid stuff all year (or since game 3). So it's a good scheme.

2. A couple of marginal holding calls really hurt us on O. Without them, I think we get another 7 points and this is feeling a bit better on O. We're not good at picking up 20 with this O.

3. Alex missed the dagger long throw. That sucked. But he hit some good throws, too. And no TOs. Is this surprising to ANYONE??? Who have you been watching, not just this year?

4. Specials have been just excellent this year! Way and Hopkins have been outstanding. We saw what a shitty kicker can do with the Bucs.

5. I'm not sold on Manusky, but the D is clearly better.

6. The O is what it is. Peterson is unearthly, but I worry about his durability. Alex does what he does and no more. Getting back the skill guys will help. BUt we need just a bit more out of old Alex if we're going to make the playoffs, I think.

7. I think we can get 3 more wins out of this. Houston will be tough--they're coming off a bye and they are healthy up front on D. And Watson is the real deal. We need a split with Philly, beat the gints, and jax, ten, or the roids on the road. Anymore is gravy. I had us at 8-8, so I'm certainly psyched.

8. Winning is so much fucking better than losing.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1207000]Houston doesn't have the same receiving threats that the Bucs do. The Redskins D played it safe and kept the Bucs receivers in front of them all game. Hence why I think they allowed Fitz to scramble so much. After DeAndre Hopkins (who is an elite threat at receiver), I don't think any of their receivers scare anyone (we got lucky with Fuller being out).

Hopefully the Redskins D can contain Watson the same way they contained Cam. It'd be nice to have Dunbar back, last thing I want is to see Danny Johnson or Stroman covering Hopkins.[/quote]

Deandre Hopkins is 4th in the NFL in receiving yards. He has 5 TDs in the last 4 games and is on pace for 110+ receptions and 1500+ yards.

This guy is a matchup nightmare.

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[quote=Chico23231;1207004]But we suck[/quote]

Wild and unbelievable stat: the Washington Redskins are in sole possession of first place in the NFC East in week 10 for the first time since 1991.

Another one

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I'm thrilled to be 6-3, but I'm not impressed with this team. The defense is very good. They went up against the best offense in football and only gave up 3 points. They forced 4 turnovers which is impressive. Yet they gave up 500 yards of total offense and a lot of that was a result of poor tackling and being out of position. We beat them by double digits. But keep in mind we played the worst defense in the league and we could only put up 16 points? In my opinion, we need a qb change right now. Alex Smith is horrible. I don't see us continuing to win with this below average passing game.

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has anybody found out what all weapons we will have back next weekend? im getting sick of hearing about thompsons bruised ribs and then more bruised ribs. wear pads you idiot!

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Norman was targeted 3 times yesterday.

0 Catches

1INT.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1207016]Norman was targeted 3 times yesterday.

0 Catches

1INT.[/quote]

And some grabbing that he got away with. let's see what he does against Hopkins.

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[quote=JWsleep;1207005]A couple of thoughts:

1. [B]I think the game plan on defense was a good one and worked. Obviously, they gave up all underneath and played double deep in the back. Kept everything in front of them. It could have gone south if the Bucs didn't do stupid stuff, but the Bucs have been doing stupid stuff all year (or since game 3). So it's a good scheme. [/B]

[...]

[/quote]

Exactly!

I really don't get why people complain about the yards given up, someone even said it was an "iffy performance" by the D...
With a starting CB out, 2 really unsure rookies rotating opposite Norman, and facing the top passing offense in the league, I say play "bend but don't break" D + don't get beat over the top + create turnovers is a smart way to game plan!

I give a lot of credit to Manusky for this game (game plan + getting over an awful outing + obviously asking for turnovers).

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1207017]And some grabbing that he got away with. let's see what he does against Hopkins.[/quote]

Not many guys can shut down DHOP. Going to need Q back this week

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[quote=FrenchSkin;1207018]Exactly!

I really don't get why people complain about the yards given up, someone even said it was an "iffy performance" by the D...
With a starting CB out, 2 really unsure rookies rotating opposite Norman, and facing the top passing offense in the league, I say play "bend but don't break" D + don't get beat over the top + create turnovers is a smart way to game plan!

I give a lot of credit to Manusky for this game (game plan + getting over an awful outing + obviously asking for turnovers).[/quote]

I said iffy performance, were you not worried during the game? Tampa Bay and their mistakes helped somewhat, I know this D can dominate even with the backup CB's. I like Strohman and Johnson with more playing the better they will get.

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Don't get me mixed in with being pissed off after a win, but without turnovers (and turnovers come in bunches) we don't win. You can't really count on turnovers every game to win. I mean with one less turnover, this game might have been extremely different.

Run defense played pretty well overall, but our zone couldn't have been designed to just let them march up and down the field at will.

Again, GREAT win, love it, but I can't pretend the pass defense played great. Bucs have one hell of a passing game and Fitz just slings that shit around, but it just seemed like no one was even in the vicinity of an open receiver half the time.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1207017]And some grabbing that he got away with. let's see what he does against Hopkins.[/quote]

Listen, if he star covers Hopkins he's going to give away some catches... like everybody in the league.
Nobody can completely shut down that guy. But Norman is having a solid season, kept Mike Evans in check, played well against Julio Jones (minus the ugly PI).

He's not crazy fast so sometimes he'll get beat, but since the Saints game he's been playing well, not sure I get all the skepticism about him.

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I REALLLLY wish the Texans didn't get Thomas, otherwise I'd say have Norman just check Hopkins the whole game and we'd be good defensively. This one reminds me a lot of the Cardinals game without David Johnson. One REALLY elite WR and one pretty good one. My biggest concern is turnovers on offense.

Hope the new linemen eat their Wheaties that day because they're gonna' have to play out of the minds to keep Smith upright from Watt. I was more than pleasantly surprised how the new guys looked, so I have some hope.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1207020]I said iffy performance, [B]were you not worried during the game?[/B] Tampa Bay and their mistakes helped somewhat, I know this D can dominate even with the backup CB's. I like Strohman and Johnson with more playing the better they will get.[/quote]

I was worried because our offense struggled to move the ball and kept giving the ball back to the Bucs early in the game.

But 3 points, INT, PUNT, Missed FG, FG, Missed FG, INT, FUM, FUM, is not what I would call an iffy performance.

[I]They were willing to give up the yards they gave up in order to not give up the points they didn't give up.[/I]

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Let me put it this way: I thought it was highly inaccurate to put this week performance on the same level as the horrible outing against the Falcons.

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;1207022]Don't get me mixed in with being pissed off after a win, but without turnovers (and turnovers come in bunches) we don't win. You can't really count on turnovers every game to win. I mean with one less turnover, this game might have been extremely different.

Run defense played pretty well overall, but our zone couldn't have been designed to just let them march up and down the field at will.

Again, GREAT win, love it, but I can't pretend the pass defense played great. Bucs have one hell of a passing game and Fitz just slings that shit around, but it just seemed like no one was even in the vicinity of an open receiver half the time.[/quote]

Nobody here is pissed off about a win! But apparently on this site being a realist and pointing out things that can be better makes you unhappy and pissed about a win.BUT,I couldnt agree more with everything else you said:biggthump
Of course being 6-3 and in first place is great,we are all thankful for that,it's a lot better than being the Giants thats for sure,but that doesnt mean there isnt any room for constructive criticism

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;1207024]I REALLLLY wish the Texans didn't get Thomas, otherwise I'd say have Norman just check Hopkins the whole game and we'd be good defensively. This one reminds me a lot of the Cardinals game without David Johnson. One REALLY elite WR and one pretty good one. My biggest concern is turnovers on offense.

Hope the new linemen eat their Wheaties that day because they're gonna' have to play out of the minds to keep Smith upright from Watt. I was more than pleasantly surprised how the new guys looked, so I have some hope.[/quote]

I felt the offensive line did a heck of a job. I'm hoping Gruden moves Smith out of the pocket a little more. I also hope they use a little more R-O, and a few of those hand offs to the motion man. That play seems to do nicely against an aggressive defensive front. Maybe a little razzle dazzle play to get the offense going. Joe Gibbs used to do this all the time when it seemed like it was tough getting offensive production. He'd do a little flea-flicker, reverse play or wide receiver pass option which always seemed to get things going. Those plays are often designed to buy a little more time for receivers to get open down field, and we need some more chunk plays.

We just have to keep in mind that all we need to do is score first, whether a TD, field goal, or safety, and we'll win the game, right? We've never lost a lead! :-)

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[quote=FrenchSkin;1207025]I was worried because our offense struggled to move the ball and kept giving the ball back to the Bucs early in the game.

But 3 points, INT, PUNT, Missed FG, FG, Missed FG, INT, FUM, FUM, is not what I would call an iffy performance.

[I]They were willing to give up the yards they gave up in order to not give up the points they didn't give up.[/I][/quote]

So you are happy with the amount of miss tackles and making a journeyman QB look like Randall Cuningham.

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[QUOTE=SFREDSKIN;1207035]So you are happy with the amount of miss tackles and making a journeyman QB look like Randall Cuningham.[/QUOTE]OK I agree on a few too many missed tackles.
But on the other point, Fitzpatrick has been red hot this season, and something like 80% of his completion were on Danny Johnson, the remaining on Strohman and Moreau, and Manusky kept on playing them way soft... because that was the plan... and it worked...

So yeah I'm more than happy by this D's performance. 3 points by the number 1 offense in the league is fine by me.

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[quote=JWsleep;1207005]A couple of thoughts:

1. I think the game plan on defense was a good one and worked. Obviously, they gave up all underneath and played double deep in the back. Kept everything in front of them. It could have gone south if the Bucs didn't do stupid stuff, but the Bucs have been doing stupid stuff all year (or since game 3). So it's a good scheme.

2. A couple of marginal holding calls really hurt us on O. Without them, I think we get another 7 points and this is feeling a bit better on O. We're not good at picking up 20 with this O.

3. [B] Alex missed the dagger long throw. That sucked. But he hit some good throws, too. And no TOs. Is this surprising to ANYONE??? Who have you been watching, not just this year? [/B]

4. Specials have been just excellent this year! Way and Hopkins have been outstanding. We saw what a shitty kicker can do with the Bucs.

5. I'm not sold on Manusky, but the D is clearly better.

6. The O is what it is. Peterson is unearthly, but I worry about his durability. Alex does what he does and no more. Getting back the skill guys will help. BUt we need just a bit more out of old Alex if we're going to make the playoffs, I think.

7. I think we can get 3 more wins out of this. Houston will be tough--they're coming off a bye and they are healthy up front on D. And Watson is the real deal. We need a split with Philly, beat the gints, and jax, ten, or the roids on the road. Anymore is gravy. I had us at 8-8, so I'm certainly psyched.

8. Winning is so much fucking better than losing.[/quote]

Alex Smith looked horrible. This man is the worse qb I've seen in a Redskins uniform since Mark Brunell's first season as a starter.

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[quote=httr198020;1207040]Alex Smith looked horrible. This man is the worse qb I've seen in a Redskins uniform since Mark Brunell's first season as a starter.[/quote]

lmao - lets try to keep the outlandish accusations to a minimum.... there were SEVERAL horrid, just absolutely horrid, qbs that we have fielded as starters since Brunell.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1207035]So you are happy with the amount of miss tackles and making a journeyman QB look like Randall Cuningham.[/quote]

No one is happy about that, but the defense kept a team that was averaging 28 points per game to just 3 points and that's big.

There is always room for improvement in any game, but you gotta give credit, where credit is due.

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[QUOTE=Buffalo Bob;1207003]Let me see in the last 5 seasons we have 3 wins, 4 wins, 9 wins, 8 wins, and 7 wins, yet we have guys complaining about 6-3. As Vince Lombardi used to say "What the hell is going on here?" Do note I have only been a hardcore Redskin fan since moving from Cali in 2011, but I didn't think it was always Super Bowl or bust here, this is finally a step in the right direction, stop complaining and look forward to further improvement.[/QUOTE]



I have been a hardcore fan for probably 40 years or so. It is certainly not super bowl or bust. Nobody in their right mind thinks we are or should be going to the super bowl. We all want to, but nobody really thinks or believes that. Anyway, we have had moments, 1999, 2005,2007,2012, 2015 where we “thought” we were heading in the right direction also. Last time I checked you get no recognition in the history books for starting a season 6-3. The Carolina win was our only win against a team 500 or better. In the last two weeks we got absolutely man handled by a team with a losing record and we beat another team with a losing record because they gave us the game on a silver platter. I am simply reserving judgment until I see consistently good play because no team ever has made a living out of winning like we did yesterday.
It is ok to be skeptical about this team. Given their history. Given their injuries. Given their lackluster offense. It really is.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1207050]No one is happy about that, but the defense kept a team that was averaging 28 points per game to just 3 points and that's big.

There is always room for improvement in any game, but you gotta give credit, where credit is due.[/quote]

Yes there is room for improvement which is what I’m trying to point out. Tackling needs to be fixed, players need to focus and play to their potential. We have a hell of a D and know we can play championship type D, this is what pisses me off. This is the best D we’ve had in a long, long time and they are all young.

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Also it is really funny to go back and read last weeks post game thread, and than this one. Same people who were ready to burn it down are now ready to go coo coo for cocoa puffs. All because We beat a 3-6 bucs team who starts a different quarterback each week. Guess all is right in Redskinville again. Lol. Why do the post game threads have to be feast or famine? Burn it down! Superbowl! Burn it down! Superbowl!
This team is pretty mediocre. The question is are we trending up or down? Than the question is do we have the right coach in place? I do not think so. Do we have the right quarterback in place? I do not think so. Do we have building blocks? Yes. Do we need more? Yes. WR’s, interior o line, couple pieces on defense. Still at least a year or two away, imo from true contention. But BA and DS could obviously derail that.

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Norman is fine against bigger slower wr's like Evans or Dez. Hopkins? Not sure that's a good one on one matchup for Norman.

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I just saw that Christian is now done for the year too? Wtf? I mean really wtf? Teams don’t lose this many o linemen to injury in five years. We just did it in two weeks. My God.

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[QUOTE=skinsfan69;1207057]Norman is fine against bigger slower wr's like Evans or Dez. Hopkins? Not sure that's a good one on one matchup for Norman.[/QUOTE]



Careful or he will call you out for being a bad fan. What a fucking douche calling out fans. How bout you say “yeah we deserve to be booed alot”. Douche.

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Keim's observations:

Thoughts and observations after the Washington Redskins16-3 win over the Tampa Bay Buccaneers:

1. There’s always some consternation after a Redskins win – so I’ve noticed over the years – and that was true again Sunday. In some cases it’s about adjusting expectations. That’s not to say you shouldn’t demand a winner, but know who it is you’re rooting for: This team will not turn into some dynamic offense in the next seven games. It’s not in their DNA. They don’t have a quarterback who is adept at simply attacking defenses. Look at the receivers: Name one who scares a defense. I’ll have more on Tampa’s offense in a minute, but there’s a difference in how Washington’s wideouts get played vs. others. And that’s not to place the blame on them, just to point out what we’re watching. The Redskins do have guys who can make contested catches, but they’re not doing a whole lot after the catch because there’s often not a lot of separation. They don’t win quickly off the line. They do play tough and that helps, both on third downs and in the run game. Watch Michael Floyd block a defensive back; when you have little margin for error sometimes those blocks result in key yards that sustains one drive that lead to a win. Josh Doctson blocks well, too. He’s been consistent catching the ball and did a nice job finding the open spot in the end zone Sunday – and Alex Smith did well to extend the play. Yeah, you’d like to see Doctson on pace for a lot more than what he’s done. They would too. But he has helped lately.

2. That doesn’t mean all is well or that things can’t improve. Getting some injured players – such as running back Chris Thompson and receiver Jamison Crowder -- back will help. That is, if they can stay on the field. Both, but Thompson in particular, can do something others on the field just don’t do much right now: make defenders miss. Still, the Redskins too often need scheme to free receivers – it does happen; trust me it’s on film – but it’s also incumbent on the receiver to win his route. Much like Vernon Davis did on the deep play-action in which he was wide open – and missed.

3. The point: Washington will have to keep winning in a way that isn’t always going to look great. Yes, if the Redskins want to do anything in the playoffs they must build a stronger offense. Get there first. And getting there will require winning games like Sunday. They can’t always count on four turnovers. They will need the run game to remain productive. They will need the defense to play better on third downs and stiffen in the red zone. They need Tress Way to keep punting well. They lack much margin for error in games and that won’t change anytime soon. But they have a two-game lead in the NFC East because their formula has worked.

4. Give credit to the Redskins’ offensive line. Of course it could have been better, but they had three new starters and right tackle Morgan Moses was playing with a brace on his right leg. Honestly, after watching him in pre-game, I wasn’t sure how long he would last. They had to gut it out and they did. The run game suffered in the first half. Adrian Peterson rushed for 18 yards on five carries in the first half – and 16 came on one carry. Three of his first-down runs lost yards; starting in a hole is bad for this offense. (And they’ve been bad throwing the ball on first down, another issue). But in the second half, Peterson rushed 14 times for 50 yards – not great, but effective. Only two carries lost yards in the final two quarters. But give credit to Jonathan Cooper, despite two holding penalties, for keeping it together. The three new linemen stayed late after practice, called linemates to ask questions at night. The make shift line spent an extra 40 minutes the night before the game going over the play script. “These guys worked their butts off,” Moses said.

5. When you have this sort of line grouping, you need others to play well. I need to re-watch the game, but saw tight end Jeremy Sprinkle on one drive in particular stand out with a block in space on Kapri Bibbs’ 15-yard draw. Two plays later on Peterson’s 16-yard run, Sprinkle again had a key block (as did Floyd). Other times you see Doctson making a key block. None of that is fancy, but it squeezes out extra yards that this team needs. But, damn, they have to hit those deep open shots like the one Alex Smith missed to Davis. It’s good that Smith doesn’t turn it over; that matters. But if you hit more of those kind of shots you also can afford a pick or two.

6. It’s funny because the Redskins won a game in which they were banged up and playing on the road and against a team that, while not good, was largely picked to win. And yet no one seems happy or at least satisfied. With some players it’s hard to tell if they won or lost – Jonathan Allen in particular. Certainly some felt good because they should. It’s hard to win and, heck, it’s been 11 years since this team was 6-3. But they know how tight the rope is that they’re trying to walk by playing the way they have.

7. It was occasionally maddening to see how much cushion the Redskins’ corners gave Tampa Bay, especially vs. DeSean Jackson. Except that there was a method to this apparent madness. And it’s simple: The Redskins did not want to give up plays over the top. During the week, some Redskins corners shrugged off Jackson catching a nine-yard hitch route, knowing that might move the chains – but it wouldn’t change the game. Indeed, Jackson’s longest catch was for 24 yards. But five Bucs receivers caught passes that went 20 or more yards – but none went for more than 29. That became part of the reason they won. Linebacker Zach Brown – obviously not covering receivers, but well aware of the plan -- said, “We had to make sure we stayed on top of it and kept the ball in front of us.”

8. The Redskins also were confident that Ryan Fitzpatrick would throw them the ball on occasion. It’s not even that he forces throws, it’s that he makes bad ones – like the one that Norman intercepted at the goal line. As Brown said, the running back was running a corner route. “That’s not the best person to throw a seven-route to,” he said. The Redskins counted on that from Fitzpatrick and he delivered. But on the Greg Stroman pick, it was a route the Bucs had run a few times. Stroman said he “just read the receiver. I saw him stemming out and ready to break in and I just drove on it.” Norman said, “the rookie was kind of having himself a long day. He saw that play and they kept coming to him and finally on the third or fourth one he made they pay. Made them pay in a big way.”

9. As for Norman’s comments, it’s funny how that topic even came up. It was a basic question about winning on the road and that clearly touched on a topic Norman wanted to discuss. New Redskins president of business operations Brian LaFemina was about 10 feet away when Norman dove in on the lack of a home field advantage. Improving the game day experience is LaFemina’s task. So I’m not sure what Norman said was what LaFemina would have preferred. I wouldn’t be surprised to learn later that LaFemina had a conversation with Norman on the plane ride home. LaFemina likes transparency so my guess is that he’d fill him in on what they’re doing and why.

10. While we can list a number of reasons why fans aren’t showing up, for players they just know seats are empty. They’re not always clued in as to why that might be the case – or what the organization strategy is in terms of selling tickets. Any player wants their home stadium to be a feared place to play. Any fan wants the same. Tickets are damn expensive so that leads to business decisions by fans if: the team isn’t winning; the experience isn’t great and the team just might not be beloved by them anymore. We all make decisions that suit our needs. But the bottom line is that FedEx is not a good venue for the Redskins. The players can do their part by continuing to win. I’ve long thought the organization had some work to do to win back some of the fan base; winning helps but there are plenty who want to like the organization again. Too often, based on what I hear from people on social media, is that the organization provides reasons to drive people away.

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I still can't believe Christian is out for the season after 3 snaps, we are snake bitten. He started playing better and thought he would be a factor later in the season and a better option than Austin "the holder" Howard, whom I saw lots of his holding penalties with the Raiders.

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[QUOTE=SFREDSKIN;1207063]I still can't believe Christian is out for the season after 3 snaps, we are snake bitten. He started playing better and thought he would be a factor later in the season and a better option than Austin "the holder" Howard, whom I saw lots of his holding penalties with the Raiders.[/QUOTE]It's crazy. Christian would have had opportunities to play this season, which is would have been good for his development. We just can't catch a break on the injury front.

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[QUOTE=punch it in;1207061]Careful or he will call you out for being a bad fan. What a fucking douche calling out fans. How bout you say “yeah we deserve to be booed alot”. Douche.[/QUOTE]


In his defense he’s been in DC for 3 years, I doubt he fully understands the apathy Skins fans have shown has been 20+ years in the making.

And let’s be honest the home crowds are a joke. The truth hurts sometimes.

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[QUOTE=MTK;1207065]In his defense he’s been in DC for 3 years, I doubt he fully understands the apathy Skins fans have shown has been 20+ years in the making.

And let’s be honest the home crowds are a joke. The truth hurts sometimes.[/QUOTE]



Oh the home crowd is definitely a joke, but i find it hard to believe he doesn’t know we have been a laughing stock for many years. Just a comment he should have kept to himself. Imploring them to come out and insulting them in the same breath seems a tad counterproductive. He and the rest of them are getting paid millions to be there. We are spending paychecks for Christ sake. Eff him. Good thing he doesn’t play in Philly. He would really be crying. Lol.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1207062]Keim's observations:

Thoughts and observations after the Washington Redskins16-3 win over the Tampa Bay Buccaneers:

1. There’s always some consternation after a Redskins win – so I’ve noticed over the years – and that was true again Sunday. In some cases it’s about adjusting expectations. That’s not to say you shouldn’t demand a winner, but know who it is you’re rooting for: This team will not turn into some dynamic offense in the next seven games. It’s not in their DNA. They don’t have a quarterback who is adept at simply attacking defenses. Look at the receivers: Name one who scares a defense. I’ll have more on Tampa’s offense in a minute, but there’s a difference in how Washington’s wideouts get played vs. others. And that’s not to place the blame on them, just to point out what we’re watching. The Redskins do have guys who can make contested catches, but they’re not doing a whole lot after the catch because there’s often not a lot of separation. They don’t win quickly off the line. They do play tough and that helps, both on third downs and in the run game. Watch Michael Floyd block a defensive back; when you have little margin for error sometimes those blocks result in key yards that sustains one drive that lead to a win. Josh Doctson blocks well, too. He’s been consistent catching the ball and did a nice job finding the open spot in the end zone Sunday – and Alex Smith did well to extend the play. Yeah, you’d like to see Doctson on pace for a lot more than what he’s done. They would too. But he has helped lately.

2. That doesn’t mean all is well or that things can’t improve. Getting some injured players – such as running back Chris Thompson and receiver Jamison Crowder -- back will help. That is, if they can stay on the field. Both, but Thompson in particular, can do something others on the field just don’t do much right now: make defenders miss. Still, the Redskins too often need scheme to free receivers – it does happen; trust me it’s on film – but it’s also incumbent on the receiver to win his route. Much like Vernon Davis did on the deep play-action in which he was wide open – and missed.

3. The point: Washington will have to keep winning in a way that isn’t always going to look great. Yes, if the Redskins want to do anything in the playoffs they must build a stronger offense. Get there first. And getting there will require winning games like Sunday. They can’t always count on four turnovers. They will need the run game to remain productive. They will need the defense to play better on third downs and stiffen in the red zone. They need Tress Way to keep punting well. They lack much margin for error in games and that won’t change anytime soon. But they have a two-game lead in the NFC East because their formula has worked.

4. Give credit to the Redskins’ offensive line. Of course it could have been better, but they had three new starters and right tackle Morgan Moses was playing with a brace on his right leg. Honestly, after watching him in pre-game, I wasn’t sure how long he would last. They had to gut it out and they did. The run game suffered in the first half. Adrian Peterson rushed for 18 yards on five carries in the first half – and 16 came on one carry. Three of his first-down runs lost yards; starting in a hole is bad for this offense. (And they’ve been bad throwing the ball on first down, another issue). But in the second half, Peterson rushed 14 times for 50 yards – not great, but effective. Only two carries lost yards in the final two quarters. But give credit to Jonathan Cooper, despite two holding penalties, for keeping it together. The three new linemen stayed late after practice, called linemates to ask questions at night. The make shift line spent an extra 40 minutes the night before the game going over the play script. “These guys worked their butts off,” Moses said.

5. When you have this sort of line grouping, you need others to play well. I need to re-watch the game, but saw tight end Jeremy Sprinkle on one drive in particular stand out with a block in space on Kapri Bibbs’ 15-yard draw. Two plays later on Peterson’s 16-yard run, Sprinkle again had a key block (as did Floyd). Other times you see Doctson making a key block. None of that is fancy, but it squeezes out extra yards that this team needs. But, damn, they have to hit those deep open shots like the one Alex Smith missed to Davis. It’s good that Smith doesn’t turn it over; that matters. But if you hit more of those kind of shots you also can afford a pick or two.

6. It’s funny because the Redskins won a game in which they were banged up and playing on the road and against a team that, while not good, was largely picked to win. And yet no one seems happy or at least satisfied. With some players it’s hard to tell if they won or lost – Jonathan Allen in particular. Certainly some felt good because they should. It’s hard to win and, heck, it’s been 11 years since this team was 6-3. But they know how tight the rope is that they’re trying to walk by playing the way they have.

7. It was occasionally maddening to see how much cushion the Redskins’ corners gave Tampa Bay, especially vs. DeSean Jackson. Except that there was a method to this apparent madness. And it’s simple: The Redskins did not want to give up plays over the top. During the week, some Redskins corners shrugged off Jackson catching a nine-yard hitch route, knowing that might move the chains – but it wouldn’t change the game. Indeed, Jackson’s longest catch was for 24 yards. But five Bucs receivers caught passes that went 20 or more yards – but none went for more than 29. That became part of the reason they won. Linebacker Zach Brown – obviously not covering receivers, but well aware of the plan -- said, “We had to make sure we stayed on top of it and kept the ball in front of us.”

8. The Redskins also were confident that Ryan Fitzpatrick would throw them the ball on occasion. It’s not even that he forces throws, it’s that he makes bad ones – like the one that Norman intercepted at the goal line. As Brown said, the running back was running a corner route. “That’s not the best person to throw a seven-route to,” he said. The Redskins counted on that from Fitzpatrick and he delivered. But on the Greg Stroman pick, it was a route the Bucs had run a few times. Stroman said he “just read the receiver. I saw him stemming out and ready to break in and I just drove on it.” Norman said, “the rookie was kind of having himself a long day. He saw that play and they kept coming to him and finally on the third or fourth one he made they pay. Made them pay in a big way.”

9. As for Norman’s comments, it’s funny how that topic even came up. It was a basic question about winning on the road and that clearly touched on a topic Norman wanted to discuss. New Redskins president of business operations Brian LaFemina was about 10 feet away when Norman dove in on the lack of a home field advantage. Improving the game day experience is LaFemina’s task. So I’m not sure what Norman said was what LaFemina would have preferred. I wouldn’t be surprised to learn later that LaFemina had a conversation with Norman on the plane ride home. LaFemina likes transparency so my guess is that he’d fill him in on what they’re doing and why.

10. While we can list a number of reasons why fans aren’t showing up, for players they just know seats are empty. They’re not always clued in as to why that might be the case – or what the organization strategy is in terms of selling tickets. Any player wants their home stadium to be a feared place to play. Any fan wants the same. Tickets are damn expensive so that leads to business decisions by fans if: the team isn’t winning; the experience isn’t great and the team just might not be beloved by them anymore. We all make decisions that suit our needs. But the bottom line is that FedEx is not a good venue for the Redskins. The players can do their part by continuing to win. I’ve long thought the organization had some work to do to win back some of the fan base; winning helps but there are plenty who want to like the organization again. Too often, based on what I hear from people on social media, is that the organization provides reasons to drive people away.[/quote]

best post ive seen in a long time. thanks for the good read.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1207062]Keim's observations:

Thoughts and observations after the Washington Redskins16-3 win over the Tampa Bay Buccaneers:

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7. It was occasionally maddening to see how much cushion the Redskins’ corners gave Tampa Bay, especially vs. DeSean Jackson. [B]Except that there was a method to this apparent madness. And it’s simple: The Redskins did not want to give up plays over the top[/B]. During the week, some Redskins corners shrugged off Jackson catching a nine-yard hitch route, knowing that might move the chains – but it wouldn’t change the game. Indeed, Jackson’s longest catch was for 24 yards. But five Bucs receivers caught passes that went 20 or more yards – but [B]none went for more than 29. That became part of the reason they won[/B]. Linebacker Zach Brown – obviously not covering receivers, but well aware of the plan -- said, “[B]We had to make sure we stayed on top of it and kept the ball in front of us[/B].”

8. [B]The Redskins also were confident that Ryan Fitzpatrick would throw them the ball on occasion[/B]. It’s not even that he forces throws, it’s that he makes bad ones – like the one that Norman intercepted at the goal line. As Brown said, the running back was running a corner route. “That’s not the best person to throw a seven-route to,” he said. [B]The Redskins counted on that from Fitzpatrick and he delivered[/B]. But on the Greg Stroman pick, it was a route the Bucs had run a few times. Stroman said he “just read the receiver. I saw him stemming out and ready to break in and I just drove on it.” Norman said, “the rookie was kind of having himself a long day. He saw that play and they kept coming to him and finally on the third or fourth one he made they pay. Made them pay in a big way.”

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THERE! You have it ! That. Was. The . Plan !

Hats off to Manusky, take your 500 yards, we're not giving you more than 10 points, and we're winning the game!

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1207002]Nobody is talking about the skins.

Last 5 games = 4-1
VS the NFC = 6-2 (3rd best in conference)
Have not allowed over 17 points in 4 of the last 5.
+11 Turnover ratio.

4th in the NFL is Rush Defense.
Tied for 12th in sacks.[/quote]

I think it was on ESPN about a week ago listing the Division leaders, the teams that have the inside track to the wild card spots and those on the bubble. Of all those teams the only one receiving a negative comment was the Redskins. It said "Division leader because of a weak NFC East."