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[QUOTE=calia;1217691]Those responses really remove all doubt that neither he nor his boss get it. After 20 years of pain, the fan base isn't just disgruntled about a season derailed by injuries. We're exhausted, dispirited, and angry about two decades' worth of (at best) irrelevance. No one has feared playing this team in two decades. Closer to three, really. And it is beyond reasonable debate that the yearly soul-crushing experience of being a Redskins fan has taken its toll on the fan base.



Man, if I saw him walk away with a chuckle when a reporter says we should do this again, I'd have been tempted to lob something at him.[/QUOTE]Absolutely!

Very Well Said! [emoji106]

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;1217694]JP later followed up and went back to that question and Bruce said Manusky was NOT involved in the Bowles interview, but had been involved with others.[/quote]

This is what I mean. He's perfect for selling used cars cause he's just a dishonest loser.

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Typical BS from Bruce, he should really run for office, he’s a master of saying nothing


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Bruce needs to run for office...he is one lying sack of shit.

It really bothers me he is there evaluating players and not doing the interviews. He is absolutely gonna fuck up this QB pick in the draft...i just know this fuck face is.

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Torrian Gray leaves for U of Florida.

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Sources tell me the Redskins are offering their DB's job to Ray Horton. I'm told they like the idea of making him their defensive pass game coordinator as well.

Horton was a defensive coordinator from 2011 to 2017 in Arizona and Cleveland. Was out of football last season.

Paulsen on twitter

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1217860]Sources tell me the Redskins are offering their DB's job to Ray Horton. I'm told they like the idea of making him their defensive pass game coordinator as well.

Horton was a defensive coordinator from 2011 to 2017 in Arizona and Cleveland. Was out of football last season.

Paulsen on twitter[/quote]

What is it with teams having these "defensive pass game coordinator" and "run game coordinator" and "offensive passing game coordinator" positons? is it just to give guys a fancier title than "Defensive backs coach, running backs coach, Wide receivers coach, etc.?

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1217860]Sources tell me the Redskins are offering their DB's job to Ray Horton. I'm told they like the idea of making him their defensive pass game coordinator as well.

Horton was a defensive coordinator from 2011 to 2017 in Arizona and Cleveland. Was out of football last season.

Paulsen on twitter[/quote]

Did he work for Redskins before? For some reason, I remember we once had a coach with same last name on defense side. I think it was back in Gibbs 2.0 era.

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[quote=GridIron26;1217866]Did he work for Redskins before? For some reason, I remember we once had a coach with same last name on defense side. I think it was back in Gibbs 2.0 era.[/quote]


Im thinking the same .

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I remember the PLAYER Horton on the D side, but cant recall a coach that stands out in memory.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;1217863]What is it with teams having these "defensive pass game coordinator" and "run game coordinator" and "offensive passing game coordinator" positons? is it just to give guys a fancier title than "Defensive backs coach, running backs coach, Wide receivers coach, etc.?[/quote]

I wondered that too, like why would you have different coordinators for run/pass? That seems like too many cooks in the kitchen to me.

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[QUOTE=GridIron26;1217866]Did he work for Redskins before? For some reason, I remember we once had a coach with same last name on defense side. I think it was back in Gibbs 2.0 era.[/QUOTE]



Yes he did, assistant DB coach 1994-96



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And the circus continues...

[URL="https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/01/29/washington-interviewed-ken-zampese-for-quarterbacks-coach/"]https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/01/29/washington-interviewed-ken-zampese-for-quarterbacks-coach/[/URL]

Kevin O'Connell is still our QB coach, but we are interviewing others to take his job. O'Connell is widely viewed as a rising star, but we're giving him the Manusky treatment. Of course, perhaps we just interviewed Zampese to get "new ideas." Do you think O'Connell participated in on the interview?

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Hopefully it means a promotion for O’Connell


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I want O'Connell to be HC so I can sound important and say I know the Skins HC personally.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;1218064]And the circus continues...

[URL="https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/01/29/washington-interviewed-ken-zampese-for-quarterbacks-coach/"]https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/01/29/washington-interviewed-ken-zampese-for-quarterbacks-coach/[/URL]

Kevin O'Connell is still our QB coach, but we are interviewing others to take his job. O'Connell is widely viewed as a rising star, but we're giving him the Manusky treatment. Of course, perhaps we just interviewed Zampese to get "new ideas." Do you think O'Connell participated in on the interview?[/quote]

Another Marvin Lewis Coaching Tree Failure.
Zero Playoff wins with ML in 16 seasons.
Lewis is the Kim Kardashian of NFL head coaches and Jay is Rob Kardashian.

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[quote=MTK;1218066]Hopefully it means a promotion for O’Connell


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He is an up and coming name, right? Maybe the plan is to make him OC/playcaller and then promote him to HC if/when Jay fails.

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[quote=MTK;1218066]Hopefully it means a promotion for O’Connell


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That is Chris Russell's speculation. He said Dan loves OConnell and does not want to lose him. Said he's in play to be the HC when they move on from Gruden.

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O’Connell new OC and other changes:

[url]https://www.redskins.com/news/redskins-promote-kevin-o-connell-to-oc-matt-cavanaugh-asst[/url]

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I’ve had a slow week so far at work with the weather going on. So I had some time to nerd out on some numbers. I’ll be the first to say I was diss appointed in Manusky at as the season progressed, but since we have him for another year I decided to look at the numbers.

I’ve split the season up into 2 groups. Pre Alex Injury and after.

Time of possession per game avg:
Week 1-11 31:24
Week 12-17 26:40

Rushing yards against per game avg
Week 1-11 95.7
Week 12-17 150
Season 116.25

Our defense was crushing the run game early. We held our first 8 teams below there season avg of rushing yards per game. Took some lumps in Atlanta (55yds)and then barely missed keeping Tampa (7) and Houston (12) under their avg.

Then Alex injury happened and our offense couldn’t stay on the field. Our defense had to do everything (aside from JJ’s 2 good games) and the rush yards added up.

I realize stats aren’t everything, but it helps seeing as how we’re stuck with Manusky. I am a little curious to the whatif Alex had stayed healthy. We wouldn’t be in the Super Bowl but would our defense have ended on such a sour note?

Overal I have to say I’m starting to like the moves they are making.

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[quote=Tennskinsfan;1218204]I’ve had a slow week so far at work with the weather going on. So I had some time to nerd out on some numbers. I’ll be the first to say I was diss appointed in Manusky at as the season progressed, but since we have him for another year I decided to look at the numbers.

I’ve split the season up into 2 groups. Pre Alex Injury and after.

Time of possession per game avg:
Week 1-11 31:24
Week 12-17 26:40

Rushing yards against per game avg
Week 1-11 95.7
Week 12-17 150
Season 116.25

Our defense was crushing the run game early. We held our first 8 teams below there season avg of rushing yards per game. Took some lumps in Atlanta (55yds)and then barely missed keeping Tampa (7) and Houston (12) under their avg.

Then Alex injury happened and our offense couldn’t stay on the field. Our defense had to do everything (aside from JJ’s 2 good games) and the rush yards added up.

I realize stats aren’t everything, but it helps seeing as how we’re stuck with Manusky. I am a little curious to the whatif Alex had stayed healthy. We wouldn’t be in the Super Bowl but would our defense have ended on such a sour note?

Overal I have to say I’m starting to like the moves they are making.[/quote]

I think a little better breakdown is required on the D, because IIRC we peaked from weeks 6-8 when we held Christian McCaffrey, Zeke, and Saquon Barkley wayyyy under their weekly averages. Then Tevin Coleman exploded on us for 150+ combined yards and a pair of td's in the Falcons blowout, then the TB game was an outlier as Fitzpatrick threw for 400 but we held them to a field goal on like 4-5 red zone trips. And then our season fell apart against the Texans.

So it wasn't a matter of "once Alex went down, our D went with it." Our D was falling apart before Alex went down. And there weren't any obvious injuries we could point to as the culprit.

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Jay’s son busted:

[url]https://247sports.com/nfl/washington-redskins/Article/Jack-Gruden-arrested-drunk-in-public--128985737/[/url]

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1218745]Jay’s son busted:

[url]https://247sports.com/nfl/washington-redskins/Article/Jack-Gruden-arrested-drunk-in-public--128985737/[/url][/quote]

Followed him on IG, This is not a surprise. He's cocky as fuck

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1218745]Jay’s son busted:

[url]https://247sports.com/nfl/washington-redskins/Article/Jack-Gruden-arrested-drunk-in-public--128985737/[/url][/quote]

He bro'ed the fuck out of that night.

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How to get a job with Redskins:

Be related to anyone that has or does coach for team; or

Have coached for, played for, have lived in, or hell, even just have driven through Tampa Bay.

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[url]https://twitter.com/1067theFan/status/1107608446558486529[/url]

Wow per 106.7 The Fan,

The #Redskins have not consulted head coach Jay Gruden on any of their offseason moves says @EBJunkies, citing a source: "I'm told he heard about the Landon Collins signing through the media."

If this is true, this team is destined for 4-12

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1220346][url]https://twitter.com/1067theFan/status/1107608446558486529[/url]

Wow per 106.7 The Fan,

The #Redskins have not consulted head coach Jay Gruden on any of their offseason moves says @EBJunkies, citing a source: "I'm told he heard about the Landon Collins signing through the media."

If this is true, this team is destined for 4-12[/quote]

Honestly, Jay hasn't earned it. "His guys" have been garbage. We're stuck with the highest paid TEs core who contribute nothing blocking and disappointment in the passing game who aren't healthy, a WRs cores who never developed or are injured, RBs like Rob Kelly on the roster who cant play, LG garbage, zero interior Oline depth...oh Colt who is always injured and we never developed a young QB because of him.

Jay's input has been disappointing. fuck him

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[quote=Chico23231;1220349]Honestly, Jay hasn't earned it. "His guys" have been garbage. We're stuck with the highest paid TEs core who contribute nothing blocking and disappointment in the passing game who aren't healthy, a WRs cores who never developed or are injured, RBs like Rob Kelly on the roster who cant play, LG garbage, zero interior Oline depth...oh Colt who is always injured and we never developed a young QB because of him.

Jay's input has been disappointing. fuck him[/quote]

I don't disagree but the drama never ends in DC.

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[quote=Chico23231;1220349]Honestly, Jay hasn't earned it. "His guys" have been garbage. We're stuck with the highest paid TEs core who contribute nothing blocking and disappointment in the passing game who aren't healthy, a WRs cores who never developed or are injured, RBs like Rob Kelly on the roster who cant play, LG garbage, zero interior Oline depth...oh Colt who is always injured and we never developed a young QB because of him.

Jay's input has been disappointing. fuck him[/quote]


You made valid point although, it does not justify Redskins's approach. If they have already decided that Jay is not part of the future then they should get rid of him now instead of waiting until later. This approach alone is enough for assistant coaches to ignore Jay throughout this season, and it will not help build a good team. It just does not make any sense for Redskins to hold onto Jay.

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[QUOTE=GridIron26;1220351]You made valid point although, it does not justify Redskins's approach. If they have already decided that Jay is not part of the future then they should get rid of him now instead of waiting until later. This approach alone is enough for assistant coaches to ignore Jay throughout this season, and it will not help build a good team. It just does not make any sense for Redskins to hold onto Jay.[/QUOTE]That is the likely scenario. Another is that it serves Jay notice and he spends time figuring out why he is an 8-8 coach. Not every head coach is a decision maker in player personnel and stripping Jay of that role is a way of emphasizing the displeasure with last season.

I would rather they just fired him though.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1220352]That is the likely scenario. Another is that it serves Jay notice and he spends time figuring out why he is an 8-8 coach. Not every head coach is a decision maker in player personnel and stripping Jay of that role is a way of emphasizing the displeasure with last season.

I would rather they just fired him though.[/quote]

Agreed but next season this team and its situation will be way more appealing to new HC candidates, we'll be able to cut Alex Smith next year, I don't hate that we have to suffer another season of Jay's mediocrity.

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1220349]Honestly, Jay hasn't earned it. "His guys" have been garbage. We're stuck with the highest paid TEs core who contribute nothing blocking and disappointment in the passing game who aren't healthy, a WRs cores who never developed or are injured, RBs like Rob Kelly on the roster who cant play, LG garbage, zero interior Oline depth...oh Colt who is always injured and we never developed a young QB because of him.



Jay's input has been disappointing. fuck him[/QUOTE]Who all have been his guys?

He has liked Grant and Kelly but I haven't heard how much input he had bringing them here.

The only two I can definitively remember any reporting on him having a big input on was Ioannidis and Quinn.

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So 106.7 The Fan tweets that, but then Craig Hoffman just wrote this, stating that Jay is involved in free agency:

[url]https://thefandc.radio.com/redskins-jay-gruden-frustrated-absolutely-involved-free-agency-process[/url]

I'll trust Keim, JP Findlay, and Craig Hoffman before anyone else in DC sports coverage. And honestly, outside of Hoffman, anyone in 106.7 is hard to trust, especially that moron Chris Russell.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1220365]So 106.7 The Fan tweets that, but then Craig Hoffman just wrote this, stating that Jay is involved in free agency:

[url]https://thefandc.radio.com/redskins-jay-gruden-frustrated-absolutely-involved-free-agency-process[/url]

I'll trust Keim, JP Findlay, and Craig Hoffman before anyone else in DC sports coverage. And honestly, outside of Hoffman, anyone in 106.7 is hard to trust, especially that moron Chris Russell.[/quote]

Agree. Hoffman is underrated imo, he is great.

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Cooley's podcast episode 52 is a must listen.

He breaks down every normal 1st and 10 from 2018.

The tendencies and disjointed nature of the run and pass game are laughable.

Literally, any madden player would be able to do better from a tendency perspective.

A huge percentage of our running game is strong side duo and a zone play which is coached like a gap play (read Callahan) which is the equivalent to weak side duo.

Neither of which marries to play action.

There are unbelievable tendencies with personnel as well.

If you listen please confirm or correct this stat, but im pretty sure we were in 2nd and long (8 or more) 44% of the time.

Infuriating.

I'm not spending another dime on this shit show of a team til Bruce and Jay are gone.

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[quote=DYoungJelly;1220399]Cooley's podcast episode 52 is a must listen.

He breaks down every normal 1st and 10 from 2018.

The tendencies and disjointed nature of the run and pass game are laughable.

Literally, any madden player would be able to do better from a tendency perspective.

A huge percentage of our running game is strong side duo and a zone play which is coached like a gap play (read Callahan) which is the equivalent to weak side duo.

Neither of which marries to play action.

There are unbelievable tendencies with personnel as well.

If you listen please confirm or correct this stat, but im pretty sure we were in 2nd and long (8 or more) 44% of the time.

Infuriating.

I'm not spending another dime on this shit show of a team til Bruce and Jay are gone.

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Wow, I'll listen... but it sure seems like a shot taken at Jay (legitimately I assume).
Given that Cooley has been censored before on his podcast, and has obviously been holding back on most of his criticisms about the organisation, this one stands out as either Chris going out of his way OR feeling the FO is ok with shots being taken at Jay... Am I overreaching ?

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[QUOTE=FrenchSkin;1220410]Wow, I'll listen... but it sure seems like a shot taken at Jay (legitimately I assume).

Given that Cooley has been censored before on his podcast, and has obviously been holding back on most of his criticisms about the organisation, this one stands out as either Chris going out of his way OR feeling the FO is ok with shots being taken at Jay... Am I overreaching ?[/QUOTE]Not at all.

He is taking a direct shot at Jay.

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[quote=FrenchSkin;1220410]Wow, I'll listen... but it sure seems like a shot taken at Jay (legitimately I assume).
Given that Cooley has been censored before on his podcast, and has obviously been holding back on most of his criticisms about the organisation, this one stands out as either Chris going out of his way OR feeling the FO is ok with shots being taken at Jay... Am I overreaching ?[/quote]

Probably legit taking a shot at Jay. If you recall back, during the whole MCloughin saga, Cooley dropped on his podcast that SM had been drinking on the job, long before that was the official story. Some of us here at the time figured that the FO had given Cooley the OK to say that stuff, based on the fact that he has been censored at various times...

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[quote=DYoungJelly;1220414]Not at all.

He is taking a direct shot at Jay.

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Wow. Just W-O-W.

I didn't take notes... but [URL="https://www.redskins.com/audio/cooley-at-the-park-episode-52"]THAT[/URL] was a legit and massive shot at Jay. Some of these tendencies are simply laughable. All the ones with the TEs in are hard to believe... the one with Sprinkle in alone being more than 80% run IIRC dropped my jaw...

The efficiency of 1st down plays was just sad... we were terrible in 1st and 10 plays to a point that it's almost beautiful...

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[quote=FrenchSkin;1220468]Wow. Just W-O-W.

I didn't take notes... but [URL="https://www.redskins.com/audio/cooley-at-the-park-episode-52"]THAT[/URL] was a legit and massive shot at Jay. Some of these tendencies are simply laughable. [B]All the ones with the TEs in are hard to believe... the one with Sprinkle in alone being more than 80% run IIRC dropped my jaw...[/B]

The efficiency of 1st down plays was just sad... we were terrible in 1st and 10 plays to a point that it's almost beautiful...[/quote]

Cooley has talked repeatedly about this...it’s why I’m so adamant on getting rid of the garbage TE unit we have.