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[QUOTE=BigHairedAristocrat;1245994]What is up with the ridiculous persecution complex?



Haskins was graded by most teams as a 2nd or 3rd round talent. The football people in our organization liked him, but didn't think he deserved to be drafted at 15. Snyder and Allen overruled the experts in the organization, like current defacto GM Kyle Smith, and reached for him at 15 anyways.



There were reports all offseason and during most of the regular season that Haskins was not taking the job seriously. That he wasn't putting in the work. And that his own team mates were put off by it. "Selfie-gate" got a lot of an attention, but it that was just one manifestation of a genuine, true, and very real underlying problem with Haskins that you don't have with the overwhelming majority of first round rookie starting QBs.



Bottom line - the criticism of Haskins was well-deserved.



Front office executives, Coaches, and players do not deserve our blind loyalty.



People will (and should) like or dislike a player, coach, or executive, based on their performance, work ethic, and commitment. If they work hard, take the job seriously, lead, and perform, fans will justifiably praise them. If they don't, they deserve criticism.[/QUOTE]



Haskins was rated by most as a first rounder who the Giants should have picked. The Redskins draft in 2019 was graded by some as THE BEST in the NFL, almost universally as an “A” grade right after the draft. This excellent analysis of our draft was by many sources that dislike Snyder and/or the franchise. Haskins did great at Ohio State (beat out Burrows) and his only down was his inexperience. Our very high draft grades from pundits cane because the team waited to get Haskins at 15 instead of trading up.

Sure Haskins was showing a little immaturity in the TC, because he was playing with the third-team behind two journeyman QB because Gruden needed to win now. But he talked to Alex Smith and got strengthened out by him and got back into studying and motivated. He had a terrible first game but got better to finish well. He played hurt, impressing his teammates. He improved, which impressed his teammates. He showed leadership.

For a rookie with significant handicaps: weak OL, no TE, rookie WR, Jurassic game plan he got better every game.

I’m behind Haskins now. He’s continuing to impress in the off season at Asburn with his work with Harmon and others. He’s bringing all the WR to Florida to work with them. Remember last season, he never practiced with the first team WR until in a regular game.

This offense will be much better than last year at OL, TE, WR and RB and most importantly in play-calling. This will ALL help Haskins -let’s see how he does!








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From one, PFF. Sounds familiar.

The case for building around Washington Redskins QB Dwayne Haskins:

[url]https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-the-case-for-building-around-washington-qb-dwayne-haskins[/url]

Its a premium article, which I don't have myself. But you can read a good chunk of it before it cuts off.

"He had just seven touchdowns to seven picks, but he actually had fewer turnover-worthy plays than interceptions."

Case of some bad luck it would seem.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1248636]From one, PFF. Sounds familiar.

The case for building around Washington Redskins QB Dwayne Haskins:

[url]https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-the-case-for-building-around-washington-qb-dwayne-haskins[/url]

Its a premium article, which I don't have myself. But you can read a good chunk of it before it cuts off.

"He had just seven touchdowns to seven picks, but he actually had fewer turnover-worthy plays than interceptions."

Case of some bad luck it would seem.[/quote]

Sam is great at his job, he's a writing wiz..

Great article , if you didn't get to read it all he I'll post a couple passages here:

He had just seven touchdowns to seven picks, but he actually had fewer turnover-worthy plays than interceptions. Typically, those numbers work in reverse (defenders drop a lot of would-be picks, so the number of interceptions is usually lower than the number of plays that should have been turnovers). Daniel Jones, for example, had 31 turnover-worthy plays compared to just 12 interceptions. Murray had six more, and Minshew had 12 more. Haskins, in fact, was the only rookie passer to end up with more turnovers than turnover-worthy plays, and that skews the narrative.

Haskins actually had by far the lowest turnover-worthy play rate (2.3%) of any of those rookie passers. But of course, mistakes are only one part of the story. Avoiding mistakes but rarely making any big plays on the other side consigns a passer to life as a “game manager,” which in today’s league might as well be synonymous with “career backup.”

Haskins was definitely too conservative at the start of his playing time, and overall, he ended the year with just seven touchdowns and eight big-time throws, but what’s interesting was how he opened up as the season wore on. Indeed, while it had been Terry McLaurin that had been looking like a star all year despite the quarterback play, suddenly he couldn’t haul in a couple of Haskins’ best throws.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1248648]Sam is great at his job, he's a writing wiz..

Great article , if you didn't get to read it all he I'll post a couple passages here:

He had just seven touchdowns to seven picks, but he actually had fewer turnover-worthy plays than interceptions. Typically, those numbers work in reverse (defenders drop a lot of would-be picks, so the number of interceptions is usually lower than the number of plays that should have been turnovers). Daniel Jones, for example, had 31 turnover-worthy plays compared to just 12 interceptions. Murray had six more, and Minshew had 12 more. Haskins, in fact, was the only rookie passer to end up with more turnovers than turnover-worthy plays, and that skews the narrative.

Haskins actually had by far the lowest turnover-worthy play rate (2.3%) of any of those rookie passers. But of course, mistakes are only one part of the story. Avoiding mistakes but rarely making any big plays on the other side consigns a passer to life as a “game manager,” which in today’s league might as well be synonymous with “career backup.”

Haskins was definitely too conservative at the start of his playing time, and overall, he ended the year with just seven touchdowns and eight big-time throws, but what’s interesting was how he opened up as the season wore on. Indeed, while it had been Terry McLaurin that had been looking like a star all year despite the quarterback play, suddenly he couldn’t haul in a couple of Haskins’ best throws.[/quote]

I also think you have to take into consideration who DH had to throw to which was pretty much nobody. His top weapon was a rookie like himself. All things considered he did pretty good.

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A good tight end is one of a rookie QB's best friends. Jeremy Sprinkle had 241 receiving yards, the most for a TE on the 2019 Redskins.

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Still say Reed would have balled out if it wasn't for that dirty fucking hit in Atlanta

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Question who had better WR's in College (A) D. Haskins, (B) Tua, (C) Burrow.

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Tua

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Not saying they won't be good QB's but Tua and Burrow had better WR's in College yet DH put up better one year numbers than both of them. Let DH develop JMO you will not be disappointed. HTTR.

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Tua will be drafted by Miami. We will draft Chase. The Redskins WR crew will improve with the pickup of a WR #2 from the addition of a bunch of WR.

I don’t know how much our TE group will improve this season. We added a bunch of TE to compete against each other. I just don’t know if we have any real talent there. Wish we had picked up Hooper -he isn’t elite but adding a very good TE would have been someone to build upon.

Haskins will have this year to prove himself. I think the OL will be shaky. Scherff will have a better year. Martin will take over for Flowers. Moses will have another crap year. There will be an open competition for LT. I just think the OL will not be a positive for Haskins.


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[quote=NYCskinfan82;1248760]Not saying they won't be good QB's but Tua and Burrow had better WR's in College yet DH put up better one year numbers than both of them. Let DH develop JMO you will not be disappointed. HTTR.[/quote]

I like DH, so don't get me wrong, but I think that the argument that Ohio State didn't have good receivers for him just isn't true. Heck, McLaurin was his #3 option, right? Sure, Alabama and LSU had great receivers, but Ohio State's weren't exactly slouches.

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College QBs numbers are inflated in today's game. Guys throw 6 tds a game sometimes. OSU had Terry and parris Campbell along with Mack and Hill. They were loaded. All the power schools have pools of talent.

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[quote=Number44;1248762]I like DH, so don't get me wrong, but I think that the argument that Ohio State didn't have good receivers for him just isn't true. Heck, McLaurin was his #3 option, right? Sure, Alabama and LSU had great receivers, but Ohio State's weren't exactly slouches.[/quote]

My bad I'm not saying the aren't good but Tua and Burrow had better WR.

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[quote=Warthog;1248761]Tua will be drafted by Miami. We will draft Chase. The Redskins WR crew will improve with the pickup of a WR #2 from the addition of a bunch of WR.

[B]I don’t know how much our TE group will improve this season.[/B] We added a bunch of TE to compete against each other. I just don’t know if we have any real talent there. Wish we had picked up Hooper -he isn’t elite but adding a very good TE would have been someone to build upon.

Haskins will have this year to prove himself. I think the OL will be shaky. Scherff will have a better year. Martin will take over for Flowers. Moses will have another crap year. There will be an open competition for LT. I just think the OL will not be a positive for Haskins.


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At least we are guaranteed it can't get worse.

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Hey Haskins, when you lead us to the promised land, you still won't know who I am, but I was one of the select few that supported you 1st!

[IMG]https://media.giphy.com/media/lSVHj7gTIfGy54ZTbc/giphy.gif[/IMG]

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1248773]Hey Haskins, when you lead us to the promised land, you still won't know who I am, but I was one of the select few that supported you 1st!

[IMG]https://media.giphy.com/media/lSVHj7gTIfGy54ZTbc/giphy.gif[/IMG][/quote]

Me too.

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[quote=Warthog;1248761]Tua will be drafted by Miami. We will draft Chase. The Redskins WR crew will improve with the pickup of a WR #2 from the addition of a bunch of WR.

[B]I don’t know how much our TE group will improve this season.[/B] We added a bunch of TE to compete against each other. I just don’t know if we have any real talent there. Wish we had picked up Hooper -he isn’t elite but adding a very good TE would have been someone to build upon.

Haskins will have this year to prove himself. I think the OL will be shaky. Scherff will have a better year. Martin will take over for Flowers. Moses will have another crap year. There will be an open competition for LT. I just think the OL will not be a positive for Haskins.


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I think there are is a good group of TE prospects in the draft. We may get one or even two of them via the draft. Check out some film on Cole Kmet, Harrison Bryant, Adam Troutman and Thaddeus Moss. I like all of them, FWIW.

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Cooley on
@kevinsheehanDC
pod, talking #Redskins QBs: "I don't see this as a competition in any way, shape, or form… That said, if it got made into one, I don't see Dwayne handling it well."

2nd former Skins player to come out and say this about DH. Is this something we should be concerned with? Does he throw a fit behind closed doors or something?

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DH would probably see it this way my first Head Coach never wanted me and neither does my second Heas Coach. Who wouldn't be a little upset. I still know DH will be our QB.

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DH would not take it well because he will have worked his ass off to be the best he can be and will be upset if that is not good enough. Any competitive athlete would feel the same way. I am just amazed at how many Skins fans seem to want to see him fail.

He is an excellent Quarterback. People seem to forget he beat out Joe Burrow fair and square in 2018 to earn the starting QB position at OSU. And his 2018 stats dwarfed Burrows' numbers that year.

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Hoping for the best

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[quote=Ohioskins;1248831]DH would not take it well because he will have worked his ass off to be the best he can be and will be upset if that is not good enough. Any competitive athlete would feel the same way. I am just amazed at how many Skins fans seem to want to see him fail.

He is an excellent Quarterback. People seem to forget he beat out Joe Burrow fair and square in 2018 to earn the starting QB position at OSU. And his 2018 stats dwarfed Burrows' numbers that year.[/quote]

I don't think any Redskin fan wants to see Haskins fail, they just aren't sold on him yet.

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[quote=Ohioskins;1248831]DH would not take it well because he will have worked his ass off to be the best he can be and will be upset if that is not good enough. Any competitive athlete would feel the same way. I am just amazed at how many Skins fans seem to want to see him fail.

He is an excellent Quarterback. [B]People seem to forget he beat out Joe Burrow fair and square in 2018 [/B]to earn the starting QB position at OSU. And his 2018 stats dwarfed Burrows' numbers that year.[/quote]

Doesn't mean anything because Burrow obviously got a lot better. Burrow hadn't fully developed as he was a basketball player in high school. Urban Meyer had mentioned this in an interview.

But I'm rooting for Haskins big time. But he seems to be a little thin skinned and cares what people think about him. Can't be that way if you want to be a great QB. Dude needs to stay off Twitter.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1248839]Doesn't mean anything because Burrow obviously got a lot better. Burrow hadn't fully developed as he was a basketball player in high school. Urban Meyer had mentioned this in an interview.

But I'm rooting for Haskins big time. But he seems to be a little thin skinned and cares what people think about him. Can't be that way if you want to be a great QB. Dude needs to stay off Twitter.[/quote]

Yeah I agree about the social media stuff, he seems to be on it way more than most skins players. He's always posting subliminal messages.. I hope he grows and becomes our franchise guy as well.. He's only had half a season and it wasn't a fair shot.. My only worry is these former skins players coming out and saying he will throw a fit if there is competition.

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[quote=Buffalo Bob;1248836]I don't think any Redskin fan wants to see Haskins fail, they just aren't sold on him yet.[/quote]

Exactly, why would any of us really root against him? We were excited about the pick last yr, but of course nobody is sold and it partially is due to the previous reports out him not being ready

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I don’t want him to fail .. I would love to see him light it up! If we did not have the 2cnd pick in draft it would be a moot point however when you have that pick you have to make it count . If you believe Haskins is the franchise QB then I guess we don’t need to look at that position .. but what if he fails and actually gets beat out by Allen as starter? We then screwed up big time .. The QB IS the most important position period end of story ..

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I think all Dwayne Haskins need is time. Judging him right now is like judging a baber's ability to cut hair two minutes into him giving a guy a cut. We have to wait until he's done in order to see how it's going to look. Right now Dwayne Haskins is raw. He didn't play a lot of football in college. He had one amazing season and probably should have went back for another season to get more games under his belt. In a few years he's going to be a very good qb in this league. All he needs is game experience and a coach who's willing to go through the growing pains with him. I believe he's going to get better and better every single game.

[QUOTE=skinsfan69;1248839]Doesn't mean anything because Burrow obviously got a lot better. Burrow hadn't fully developed as he was a basketball player in high school. Urban Meyer had mentioned this in an interview.

But I'm rooting for Haskins big time. But he seems to be a little thin skinned and cares what people think about him. Can't be that way if you want to be a great QB. Dude needs to stay off Twitter.[/QUOTE]

Let me say this. Every politician, athlete, celebrity cares about what people think. It is impossible not too. Do you think qbs like Tom Brady, Aaron Rogers, Drew Brees don't care about what people think about them? I can insure you that they do. If Haskins feel some type of way its because all he has received from this organization and media is hatred and negativity. I don't think most qbs can withstand the beating this kid has been taking by the media and our idiot fanbase. Plus Ron Rivera seems to create a negative headlines about Haskins every time he opens his mouth. I'm rooting for Haskins and I hope he does well whether its here or someone else.

[QUOTE=skinsfaninok;1248840]Yeah I agree about the social media stuff, he seems to be on it way more than most skins players. He's always posting subliminal messages.. I hope he grows and becomes our franchise guy as well.. He's only had half a season and it wasn't a fair shot.. My only worry is these former skins players coming out and saying he will throw a fit if there is competition.[/QUOTE] WTF does social media have to do with anything? Does that have anything to do with his work ethic or commitment to his craft? If he's not being negative it doesn't make a difference.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1248840]Yeah I agree about the social media stuff, he seems to be on it way more than most skins players. He's always posting subliminal messages.. I hope he grows and becomes our franchise guy as well.. He's only had half a season and it wasn't a fair shot.. [B]My only worry is these former skins players coming out and saying he will throw a fit if there is competition.[/B][/quote]

Football is all about competition.The NFL is the closest thing we have to a meritocracy in this country. He isn't entitled to anything. It is earned each and every time he steps on the field. That is simply the way it is for every NFL player as it is for most of the rest of us in our society.

If he can't accept that and deal with it, then he simply needs to grow the f*** up. I trust that he has some people in his life who care enough about him to tell him exactly that - as I told my kids. But I think he can and will deal with it and become a solid NFL starter.

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Cooley:

[url]https://www.nbcsports.com/washington/redskins/chris-cooley-explains-why-dwayne-haskins-will-easily-win-qb-competition-over-kyle-allen[/url]

Haven't even read the article myself yet. Assuming it starts with he's obviously way more talented. There's a reason why one guy was 1/15 vs. UDFA.

Allen is a great backup. That's what he will be for us.

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I’m taking QB with Number 2 .. if we dont I envision why the heck did we not draft Tua when we had chance during and after every game in future .. I’m not sold on Haskins at all .. we shall see .. as far as Chase goes even if he has 16 sacks it will not overcome a bad offense.. we now have the bottom O in the league and have done nothing to improve it ..

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[quote=rocnrik;1248922]I’m taking QB with Number 2 .. if we dont I envision why the heck did we not draft Tua when we had chance during and after every game in future .. I’m not sold on Haskins at all .. we shall see .. as far as Chase goes even if he has 16 sacks it will not overcome a bad offense.. we now have the bottom O in the league and have done nothing to improve it ..[/quote]

I could also see a trade down and get more picks to help build that O.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1248923]I could also see a trade down and get more picks to help build that O.[/quote]

Of course we could still draft CY and focus primarily on the offense the rest of the way. I would like that [U]very[/U] much!

If we were to get a second round pick or two third round picks for TW, I think that would lock us into Chase Young as our pick at #2.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1248925]Of course we could still draft CY and focus primarily on the offense the rest of the way. I would like that [U]very[/U] much!

If we were to get a second round pick or two third round picks for TW, I think that would lock us into Chase Young as our pick at #2.[/quote]

I think that ship is about sunk, Trent is still on the team and we are 3 weeks from the draft.. The price is going to drop, plus is T class is pretty deep..

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1248926]I think that ship is about sunk, Trent is still on the team and we are 3 weeks from the draft.. The price is going to drop, plus is T class is pretty deep..[/quote]

I have a feeling it will be either give him away or what till someone has an in season need.

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Yeah, take Tua with the Number 2 pick and when he breaks like a China doll after a few big NFL hits ( and with our offensive line, those hits ARE coming), then see where you are. What a stupid idea, take an injury prone QB witht he Number 2 pick when you already have a QB from your use of your first round pick last year. Thank goodness you are not in our front office.

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[QUOTE=Ohioskins;1248953]Yeah, take Tua with the Number 2 pick and when he breaks like a China doll after a few big NFL hits ( and with our offensive line, those hits ARE coming), then see where you are. What a stupid idea, take an injury prone QB witht he Number 2 pick when you already have a QB from your use of your first round pick last year. Thank goodness you are not in our front office.[/QUOTE]To be fair he's only had 1 season of injuries and that was this yr. I think hes as good as Burrow or better but we need so much that drafting tua won't help. I'd be happy with chase but I'd be thrilled with more picks. We aren't competing this year, let's all face it so stock up picks and build

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lol to be fair, yeah he only blew out a hip


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[quote=Ohioskins;1248953]Yeah, take Tua with the Number 2 pick and when he breaks like a China doll after a few big NFL hits ( and with our offensive line, those hits ARE coming), then see where you are. What a stupid idea, take an injury prone QB witht he Number 2 pick when you already have a QB from your use of your first round pick last year. Thank goodness you are not in our front office.[/quote]

Okay expert ...

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Speaking of experts .. DHall who actually knows football .. does not even believe that Haskins can beat out Kyle Allen ..hmmmm .yea we are set at QB ! No need in looking to upgrade that position .. but in the end none of us know what will happen now do we? So I’m not gonna get on here and call people stupid and all that .. it’s a forum to toss around ideas and have fun..

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[quote=MTK;1248955]lol to be fair, yeah he only blew out a hip


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He's 100% cleared per reports, not saying he's Iron Man now but still..

As for the prospects, Haskins was great in college too so until these guys lace it up in the league it's all irrelevant.. Tua is the better QB but there have been plenty of college studs that fail...