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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;1242159]I would love Shurmur over KOC.

Young, rising, offensive coordinators are all the rage right now. While I dont think KOC has done anything even remotely remarkable yet, he's talked about enough that, if he has a great year or two, he'll be a serious HC candidate in 2021 or 2022. So if he sucks, we clearly don't want him. But if he's good, we're going to lose him and have to look for another OC again.

Shurmur, on the other hand, is a proven, excellent OC who has failed twice as a head coach. I doubt he gets a 3rd chance any time soon. We would have him for as long as we want him.

[B]Give me the proven high-quality candidate who will remain with the team several years over gambling on a young rising star, who, if he works out, will just leave to help some other team.[/B][/quote]

Too much logic BHA. Too. Much. Logic.

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I think that KOC will be okI don't trust that Turner thing...[his dad was a turd as coach].

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Ryan Vermillion from Carolina will be the new Head Trainer.

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I was curious about how good or bad Carolina's training and medical staff were, so I tried googling various statistics. I'm not sure what metrics might best show it, but Football Outsiders' adjusted games lost(AGL) seemed like one that might be valuable, and then I also found a report on the most injury prone teams that showed the last 4 seasons for all teams.

from [URL="https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stat-analysis/2019/2018-adjusted-games-lost-part-i"]Football Outsiders' AGL 2018[/URL], Carolina was ranked 26th in 2018, but 7th in 2017. The Skins were ranked 24th in 2018, but 32nd in 2017.

The other [URL="https://www.sportfacts.org/nfl-injuries-by-team/"]NFL injuries by team[/URL] showed the following :
Carolina
year - IR
2015 - 9
2016 - 14
2017 - 14
2018 - 20
Total = 57 (12th least IR)

Washington
2015 - 19
2016 - 18
2017 - 20
2018 - 28
Total = 85 (31st)

Minnesota was the best with only 35 IR players over those 4 years
New Orleans (surprisingly to me) was the worst with 88 IR players over those 4 years (19, 31, 27, 11)


I don't suppose that proves much about Vermillion as a hire, but I think it's safe to say that the Skins needed a major overhaul in their staff.

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Alex Marvez
✔
Source tells @SiriusXMNFL that @Chargers asst DBs coach Chris Harris will be leaving to become new @Redskins DBs coach. Chris played in the NFL for eight years (2005-2012) before branching into coaching.

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Cred that's probably the best way to statistically analyze how good a head athletic trainer is in the NFL lol. I like to think the grass will be greener just because it's gotta be very hard to be so terrible with injuries 3 years in a row.

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[quote=mooby;1242206]Cred that's probably the best way to statistically analyze how good a head athletic trainer is in the NFL lol. I like to think the grass will be greener just because it's gotta be very hard to be so terrible with injuries 3 years in a row.[/quote]

[URL="https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/injured-reserve/2019/"]Spotrac[/URL] lets you sort by amount of cap and cash spent to IR per team per year.
Shockingly for 2019 the Skins had the most cap space in IR (49Mil for 27 players) and the most cash tied up in IR (39M). Carolina was 5th most in cap at 27Mil, 10Mil of which was Cam Newton

Our number did include all 17 weeks of Alex Smith and 8 weeks of Trent Williams contracts

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1242185]Ryan Vermillion from Carolina will be the new Head Trainer.

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[url]https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2020/01/05/washington-hires-former-panthers-head-trainer-ryan-vermillion/[/url]

[B]The Washington Post reports that the change is “a key element” of Rivera’s effort to get left tackle Trent Williams to return to the team[/B]. Williams was unhappy with how the team handled the care of a growth on his head that turned out to be cancerous. Williams held out until the trade deadline in late October and was then placed on the non-football injury list.

[B]Williams said he didn’t think his relationship with the team could be salvaged, but it appears Rivera is banking on a new administration presenting Williams with a way to return to the fold.[/B]

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[quote=Chico23231;1242214]

[B]Williams said he didn’t think his relationship with the team could be salvaged, but it appears Rivera is banking on a new administration presenting Williams with a way to return to the fold.[/B][/quote]

Incoming outrage from Redskins fans pissed Ron Rivera is going to try and bring back Trent after the unforgivable sins he committed against this team.

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Anyone heard any movement on any other coaching positions being filled?!?

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[QUOTE=SkinzWin;1242233]Anyone heard any movement on any other coaching positions being filled?!?[/QUOTE]So far mainly defensive
HC Ron Rivera
DC Jack Del Rio
DL Sam Mills III
LB Steve Russ
DB Chris Harris (LA Chargers asst db coach)

ST kept current staff

OC ?
OL. John Masko (Carolina same position)
WR jim Hostlet (Carolina same)

Head Trainer Ryan Vermillion

All of these are from public reports. Only Jack Del Rio and Ryan Vermillion had public press releases that I know of.

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Per Julie Donaldson: @JDonaldsonNBCS

Lots of info swirling: As far as the future for Redskins’ Eric Schaffer, sources tell me he was offered a contract extension in the fall, but did not sign. As reported, he has been told the team will not be renewing his contract when it expires in May.

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Schefter said LB coach was Russ...

Redskins’ HC Ron Rivera is hiring his former LB coach in Carolina, Steve Russ, to do the same job in Washington, per source. So Rivera reaching back to Carolina connections as he establishes himself in Washington.

[quote=CRedskinsRule;1242234]So far mainly defensive
HC Ron Rivera
DC Jack Del Rio
DL/LB Sam Mills III
DB Chris Harris (LA Chargers asst db coach)

ST kept current staff

OC ?
OL. John Masko (Carolina same position)
WR jim Hostlet (Carolina same)

Head Trainer Ryan Vermillion

All of these are from public reports. Only Jack Del Rio and Ryan Vermillion had public press releases that I know of.

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[QUOTE=SkinzWin;1242237]Schefter said LB coach was Russ...



Redskins’ HC Ron Rivera is hiring his former LB coach in Carolina, Steve Russ, to do the same job in Washington, per source. So Rivera reaching back to Carolina connections as he establishes himself in Washington.[/QUOTE]

I added Russ in.

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It sounds like Josh McDaniels getting a HC job would mean we would probably lose KOC. I’d probably try to get Pat S deal done and get Scott turner as QB coach

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[quote=Chico23231;1242244]It sounds like Josh McDaniels getting a HC job would mean we would probably lose KOC. I’d probably try to get Pat S deal done and get Scott turner as QB coach[/quote]

KOC is under contract, right? I mean, I would be happy with Shurmer, but KOC can't just tell us he is leaving to go to the Giants (if that is where McDaniels goes), right?

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[QUOTE=Skinsfanatic;1242245]KOC is under contract, right? I mean, I would be happy with Shurmer, but KOC can't just tell us he is leaving to go to the Giants (if that is where McDaniels goes), right?[/QUOTE]



Why would you keep him if he wants out



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I will feel better knowing who Rivera tabs as the o coordinator. Looking less likely like O'Connell but we'll see. I think McCarthy to Dallas is a good move for them. Don't know how I feel about Nolan honestly. Heard mixed reviews. I'd still rather have Rivera over McCarthy and love getting JDR!

Anyone else hearing anything else at all about the o coordinator search?

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[quote=MTK;1242246]Why would you keep him if he wants out



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I am not saying you would, I am just saying it would require permission, right?

Especially if it's the Giants, I think Pick 249 sounds fair. :-)

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[quote=Skinsfanatic;1242252]I am not saying you would, I am just saying it would require permission, right?

Especially if it's the Giants, I think Pick 249 sounds fair. :-)[/quote]

Lateral moves require permission. I think that is why we named Callahan an Asst Head Coach a few years ago and named KOC off coord.

Reported last year that the Skins denied permission to a few teams re a lateral move trying to interview KOC for the Off Coord position.

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word is that turner will be the new redskins O.C.

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Panthers hiring baylors Matt Rhule

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1242257]Panthers hiring baylors Matt Rhule[/quote]

Ive heard this guy will be one of the best coaches in a couple years...hard to predict.

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Giants wanted him and thought they had him

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Seems like KOC will be leaving, wonder who the new OC will be? Shurmer? Turner?

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The #Giants have requested permission to speak with former #Cowboys coach Jason Garrett, sources tell me and
@MikeGarafolo
. He’s still under contract in Dallas until Jan. 14, so permission is required.

bahahaha

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Lol Adam Rank on twitter
[Quote]
Choosing Mike McCarthy is a lot like getting Taco Bell late at night. You're kind of desperate and there's not a lot of great options. It's reliable, yet unspectacular. And you're biggest hope is that you don't get violently ill. [/Quote]

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1242262]Lol Adam Rank on twitter


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Pretty much, He'll have them in the same boat as Garrett did which is .500 to slightly better

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So I guess a royal rumble for the Browns job? Lotta good folks left for it, my thinking is Josh McDaniels job too lose?

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Joe Judge gets a job before Eric Bieniemy? Literally makes no sense.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1242262]Lol Adam Rank on twitter


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I wouldn't wish taco bell on my worst enemy

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[quote=Chico23231;1242271]So I guess a royal rumble for the Browns job? Lotta good folks left for it, my thinking is Josh McDaniels job too lose?[/quote]

How does anyone even look at McDaniels at this point? He quit when at the time he had Andrew Luck. He was garbage at Denver and wanted Orton over Cutler, then drafted Tebow in round one. His offense sucked when he was at St Louis. I just don't get it.

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The #Redskins are zeroing in on Scott Turner as their offensive coordinator, source said. The 37-year-old impressed calling plays as #Panthers interim OC last month. Now, a potential reunion with Ron Rivera in the works.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1242277]How does anyone even look at McDaniels at this point? He quit when at the time he had Andrew Luck. He was garbage at Denver and wanted Orton over Cutler, then drafted Tebow in round one. His offense sucked when he was at St Louis. I just don't get it.[/quote]

totally agree, gee do you think having brady and gronk helped him out a bit?

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Scott Turner will be a great hire, he loves creative designs and to get guys open quickly!

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Per Ian Rapoport

Former Browns QB coach Ken Zampese is in the building interviewing for the #Redskins QB coach job, source said

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1242291]Scott Turner will be a great hire, he loves creative designs and to get guys open quickly![/quote]

I really don't know much about Scott but what I love about this move is that KOC was not just given the job, i believe it shows a culture change. Whether its a good move;ST over KOC is yet to be seen.

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It's official, Scott Turner is the guy

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[quote=dej733;1242292]Per Ian Rapoport

Former Browns QB coach Ken Zampese is in the building interviewing for the #Redskins QB coach job, source said[/quote]

He's got some good history on his resume with the Rams WR coach gig during the Greatest Show on Turf era, but his last job was with the Browns in 2018. Gotta trust Rivera on this one.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1242294]It's official, Scott Turner is the guy[/quote]

for coordinator or QB coach?

Regardless, I have trust in Rivera.