Re: What happens with Kyle Smith?
 

[quote=skinsfanmdc;1273923]Guys I'm telling you. We lost McVay, and the guy in Green Bay right? Is Ron threatened by the young coaches/execs? Anyway I bet we notice a difference in drafts if Kyle leaves. I think we might be in for mediocrity if he leaves.

It's a reason why Hurneyy and those other guys don't have jobs. Give the young guys a chance. Wonder what Snyder would do if Kyle goes somewhere else, and is more successful than Ron down the line. I'd be pissed....[/quote]

This exactly how I feel, I hope they have a plan to keep Smith or our drafts will be average at best.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1273925]This exactly how I feel, I hope they have a plan to keep Smith or our drafts will be average at best.[/quote]

In the history of football, other people besides Kyle have had good drafts.

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For the GM job: definitely feels like they will hire from outside. Haven’t heard Kyle Smith getting interest in GM jobs. But key: see where things fall next week when GM spots filled. Do asst GM jobs open? That’s when a team could call.

Keim

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[quote=MissouriSkin;1273926]In the history of football, other people besides Kyle have had good drafts.[/quote]

Obviously you haven’t seen what he has done in 3 years. If you like mediocrity and people like Vinny and Bruce then you’ll be ok with it? Smith has the “it” factor and Rivera should try to make it work instead of being stubborn and bringing retreads. You have a proven young guy who could give you years of great drafts and you want to let him go? In my opinion it’s dumb. Another Washington fuck up.

Re: What happens with Kyle Smith?
 

[quote=skinsfaninok;1273927]For the GM job: definitely feels like they will hire from outside. Haven’t heard Kyle Smith getting interest in GM jobs. But key: see where things fall next week when GM spots filled. Do asst GM jobs open? That’s when a team could call.

Keim[/quote]

He’s under contract and I’m sure other teams probably think we would be crazy to let him go. If he decides to leave he’ll have a job within minutes.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1273928]Obviously you haven’t seen what he has done in 3 years. If you like mediocrity and people like Vinny and Bruce then you’ll be ok with it? Smith has the “it” factor and Rivera should try to make it work instead of being stubborn and bringing retreads. You have a proven young guy who could give you years of great drafts and you want to let him go? In my opinion it’s dumb. Another Washington fuck up.[/quote]

Dude I’ve been a fan for 50 years so yes I do know what has gone on with Kyles drafts so you can cut the condescension. You are just way WAY over the top about this so I’m not going to talk to you any more about it. You are just being silly about this considering you have no idea what is going to happen.

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[quote=MissouriSkin;1273930]Dude I’ve been a fan for 50 years so yes I do know what has gone on with Kyles drafts so you can cut the condescension. You are just way WAY over the top about this so I’m not going to talk to you any more about it. You are just being silly about this considering you have no idea what is going to happen.[/quote]

Dude so have I And know that people like Smith and Beathard don’t grow on trees. Casserly was ok, after that they all sucked until Smith came along. 30 years of losing ok with you?

Re: What happens with Kyle Smith?
 

Yes, there are other parts of the GM role. But talent acquisition is the most important imo.

In general, you don't want to lose employees that are good at their jobs.

Whatever the decision is, I hope it's based on keeping Kyle Smith.

I'll be pretty bummed if we hire someone else, and KS takes it as a slap in the face and leaves.

That being said, we don't know all the interworkings, or how involved/informed KS is of the situation.

I'll trust Rivera until it's proven we shouldn't.

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SDH released

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[quote=MissouriSkin;1273926]In the history of football, other people besides Kyle have had good drafts.[/quote]

Facebook fact checkers deem this only half true as other people have had bad drafts too.

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[quote=SkinzWin;1273944]Facebook fact checkers deem this only half true as other people have had bad drafts too.[/quote]

Agreed. I’m just surprised (although I shouldn’t be) that after being on the Ron train, people are turning on him in one day because he might have a different front office structure then they want.....even though they have no idea what his actual plan is. I mean it’s not like Ron has forgotten more football than any of us will ever know or anything.....

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[quote=SkinzWin;1273944]Facebook fact checkers deem this only half true as other people have had bad drafts too.[/quote]

Lol...great signature

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Smith has zero GM experience and is also a pretty young guy, it's probably pretty rare for someone in his situation to shoot straight up the ladder to GM. Perhaps the plan is to bring in someone more established and have Smith be the assistant GM in addition to his current personnel duties. I guess I'll worry about this when there's something to be worried about. I trust Ron in this process. In the end he has to have people in place he knows he can work with. All this hand wringing over Smith seems a little over the top.

Re: What happens with Kyle Smith?
 

[quote=MTK;1273957]Smith has zero GM experience and is also a pretty young guy, it's probably pretty rare for someone in his situation to shoot straight up the ladder to GM. Perhaps the plan is to bring in someone more established and have Smith be the assistant GM in addition to his current personnel duties. I guess I'll worry about this when there's something to be worried about. I trust Ron in this process. In the end he has to have people in place he knows he can work with. All this hand wringing over Smith seems a little over the top.[/quote]

EXACTLY!

WFT won the division, ended their season with a close loss in the playoffs, and now the sky is falling...And no one on here actually knows what the front office plan is.

Typical.

Re: What happens with Kyle Smith?
 

Hopefully the GM choice will not chase Kyle away. I don’t know if a choice of GM that scares folks, but losing Kyle as a result. We can see the tangible results of Kyle and understand the contribution to winning.

And then we can see the tangible result of Martin Mayhew help destroy an organization like Detroit. It’s okay not to want that here. He would be an awful choice.

I’d like to go with the guy from Tennessee.

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Yeah, no one wants someone to come in and destroy the organization. It's all a little premature head-banging though if you ask me.

Re: What happens with Kyle Smith?
 

[quote=Chico23231;1273959]Hopefully the GM choice will not chase Kyle away. I don’t know if a choice of GM that scares folks, but losing Kyle as a result. We can see the tangible results of Kyle and understand the contribution to winning.

And then we can see the tangible result of Martin Mayhew help destroy an organization like Detroit. It’s okay not to want that here. He would be an awful choice.

I’d like to go with the guy from Tennessee.[/quote]
That's who I want instead of some of these old school guys who were fired for a reason.

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1 2 Chase Young DE Ohio State
[B]3 66 Antonio Gibson[/B] RB Memphis
4 108 Saahdiq Charles T LSU
142 Antonio Gandy-Golden WR Liberty compensatory pick
5 156 Keith Ismael C San Diego State from San Francisco
162 Khaleke Hudson LB Michigan from Seattle
[B]7 216 Kamren Cur[/B]l SS Arkansas
229 James Smith-Williams DL NC State from Denver


1 15 Dwayne Haskins QB Ohio State
[B]1 26 Montez Sweat OLB[/B] Mississippi State
[B]3 76 Terry McLaurin WR[/B] Ohio State
4 112 Bryce Love RB Stanford
4 131 Wes Martin G Indiana
5 153 Ross Pierschbacher C Alabama
[B]5 173 Cole Holcomb LB[/B] North Carolina
6 206 Kelvin Harmon WR NC State
7 227 Jimmy Moreland CB James Madison
7 253 Jordan Brailford OLB Oklahoma State


1 13 Daron Payne NT Alabama
2 59 Derrius Guice RB LSU From San Francisco
3 74 Geron Christian OT Louisville From San Francisco
4 109 Troy Apke S Penn State From Denver
[B]5 163 Tim Settle NT [/B]Virginia Tech From Denver
6 197 Shaun Dion Hamilton LB Alabama From LA Rams
7 241 Greg Stroman CB Virginia Tech From LA Rams
256 Trey Quinn WR SMU From LA Rams

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McLaurin and Settle were great finds. Although we need to see more of Settle to really judge but hes been very good for his snaps.

Drafting of Chase Young and Jonathan Allen seemed like no brainers, I dont give any credit there. Was hoping for Derwin James over Payne.

But theres been some duds in mid rounds "where GMs prove their worth".

I think this years surprise success came more form FA signings vs draft picks but they all play a part. I dont know how much Kyle Smith scouting went into the pro scouting as that was Santos job title.

bottom line - I like Kyle Smith and this fan would make him GM, have heard people say hes sharp. We will see.

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I'd have put Moreland in bold too. For a 7th rounder to hold down the 3rd/4th CB spot is a pretty good find and I think he'll get better in this defense too.

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Yeah, not counting 1st picks in the 1st round, here's my assessment of the last three drafts.

2018 - it was not good outside of [B]Settle[/B], period.

Jury's still out on the 2019/2020 drafts in my opinion.

2019 - Pierschbacher and Brailford are no longer on the team. Harmon and Love have been injured. Martin sucks. [B]Moreland, Sweat, Holcomb, [/B]and [B]McLaurin[/B] have all been solid contributors.

2020 - Trey Quinn, Derrius Guice, and Shaun Dion Hamilton are no longer on the team. Apke, Christian, and Stroman have not been very good. [B]Curl[/B] has been great. [B]Gibson[/B] was coming on until that turf toe.[B] Smith-Williams[/B] is likely the Kerrigan replacement. Can't call it yet for AGG, Ismael, Hudson, and Charles.

They've picked some very nice players, and some that still need to show what they can offer. I wouldn't exactly say they've hit it out of the ballpark by any means. 7-8 players that have shown to be solid contributors in three drafts (outside the 1st picks in the 1st rounds).

That's somewhere in the area of 30-35%...

Re: What happens with Kyle Smith?
 

Outstanding job by Kyle Smith in the draft. The free agency this past spring was another pretty good job as well being it was the first time without Bruce doing retard shit like making Landon Collins the highest paid safety in the league.

Re: What happens with Kyle Smith?
 

[quote=Chico23231;1273959]Hopefully the GM choice will not chase Kyle away. I don’t know if a choice of GM that scares folks, but losing Kyle as a result. We can see the tangible results of Kyle and understand the contribution to winning.

And then we can see the tangible result of Martin Mayhew help destroy an organization like Detroit. It’s okay not to want that here. He would be an awful choice.

I’d like to go with the guy from Tennessee.[/quote]

Detroit is perpetually broken so you can’t blame that on him necessarily. Btw the only time they’ve gone to the playoffs recently was under his guidance.

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[quote=Chico23231;1273968]Outstanding job by Kyle Smith in the draft. The free agency this past spring was another pretty good job as well being it was the first time without Bruce doing retard shit like making Landon Collins the highest paid safety in the league.[/quote]

I don't know that I would declare the last three drafts as outstanding (unless you are comparing it to previous Redskins draft classes). My guess is they are more likely on par with the majority of the league as far as the percentage of players selected that have shown to be solid contributors.

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I'd be interested to know how much input Ron and some of the other coaches had in the draft last year. Hard to imagine he sat back and had zero say in things.

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Ravens had a hell of a 2018 draft .. was this Ozzie last draft or their new guys first?

32 QB Lamar Jackson (mvp)
83 LT Orlando Brown (pro bowl) -- we took project tackle Christian 8 spots earlier FML
86 TE Mark Andrews (pro bowl)

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[quote=SunnySide;1273975]Ravens had a hell of a 2018 draft .. was this Ozzie last draft or their new guys first?

32 QB Lamar Jackson (mvp)
83 LT Orlando Brown (pro bowl) -- we took project tackle Christian 8 spots earlier FML
86 TE Mark Andrews (pro bowl)[/quote]

Ozzie's last draft

[URL="https://www.baltimoreravens.com/news/the-story-behind-ravens-drafting-lamar-jackson-20630323"]The Story Behind Ravens Drafting Lamar Jackson[/URL]

Re: What happens with Kyle Smith?
 

[quote=MTK;1273974]I'd be interested to know how much input Ron and some of the other coaches had in the draft last year. Hard to imagine he sat back and had zero say in things.[/quote]

I think he had a lot of input. His mantra with regard to players is they must have versatility. You can see that in the 2020 picks.

Charles can play tackle and guard, Ismael can play all three interior O-line positions, Hudson had experience at Safety, CB, LB, and Edge rusher in College, Gibson is a hybrid WR/RB, Curl can play CB and Safety, Gandy-Golden is described as a swiss army knife...

Re: What happens with Kyle Smith?
 

I think the main thing everyone can agree on is we want Kyle Smith retained. It would be a major blow to see him leave and thrive elsewhere.

Regardless of who gets named official GM, I think Smith has at least earned some time here to work with Ron and prove his worth. And maybe eventually become GM.

I like the idea of hiring an experienced GM and promoting Smith to Asst. GM where he can learn the ropes. Except by doing that, you most likely have to be ready to release/promote him within the next 3 years, after he's learned enough.

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[quote=MTK;1273976]Ozzie's last draft

[URL="https://www.baltimoreravens.com/news/the-story-behind-ravens-drafting-lamar-jackson-20630323"]The Story Behind Ravens Drafting Lamar Jackson[/URL][/quote]


What I got out of that article:

"We saw Tyrod really develop and emerge into being a starting quarterback in this league and play pretty well," DeCosta said.

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[quote=sevier2;1273979]I think the main thing everyone can agree on is we want Kyle Smith retained. [B]It would be a major blow to see him leave and thrive elsewhere.
[/B]
Regardless of who gets named official GM, I think Smith has at least earned some time here to work with Ron and prove his worth. And maybe eventually become GM.

I like the idea of hiring an experienced GM and promoting Smith to Asst. GM where he can learn the ropes. Except by doing that, you most likely have to be ready to release/promote him within the next 3 years, after he's learned enough.[/quote]

It wouldn't be a major blow if he moved on and thrived elsewhere, if they were able to assemble a team here that also thrived.

Re: What happens with Kyle Smith?
 

I have 2 questions. If the WFT and RR want to promote KS would they still have to do interviews to satisfy the Rooney Rule? Also if they bring in an outside person didnt we see something about getting draft picks for that action?

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1273991]I have 2 questions. If the WFT and RR want to promote KS would they still have to do interviews to satisfy the Rooney Rule? Also if they bring in an outside person didnt we see something about getting draft picks for that action?

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I think the draft pick(s) go to the team losing the minority coach or GM.

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1. Under the expanded Rooney Rule, clubs will also be required to interview at least one minority candidate for coordinator positions and [B]at least one external minority candidate for the senior football operations or general manager position.[/B]
[url]https://www.reuters.com/article/us-football-nfl-diversity/nfl-expands-rooney-rule-to-boost-diversity-idUSKBN22V34X[/url]

^^ it seems we have to interview at least one outside org minority candidate

2. Teams that lose a minority coach or executive to a head coach or general manager job with another team will receive a third-round compensatory pick for two consecutive years, per Pelissero. If a team loses a minority coach and an executive to HC and GM roles, that club will receive a third-round compensatory pick for three consecutive years.
[url]https://www.nfl.com/news/nfl-owners-pass-resolution-rewarding-teams-for-developing-minority-coaches-execs[/url]

^^ Seems the team who developed (refused to promote) and then lost a minority staff member gets the picks, not the hiring team

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1273982]It wouldn't be a major blow if he moved on and thrived elsewhere, if they were able to assemble a team here that also thrived.[/quote]

Good point. I guess it's not so much Smith we're worried about losing, it's the recent success in the draft/free agency.

If they can replace Smith with somebody as good or better, great! I'd just hate to lose a [I]proven [/I]talent evaluator and be left with another BA or Vinny. Which is why I'd like to see him retained along with the new hire.

But what do I know!? :D

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[quote=sevier2;1274000]Good point. I guess it's not so much Smith we're worried about losing, it's the recent success in the draft/free agency.

If they can replace Smith with somebody as good or better, great! I'd just hate to lose a [I]proven [/I]talent evaluator and be left with another BA or Vinny. Which is why I'd like to see him retained along with the new hire.

But what do I know!? :D[/quote]

Yeah, I get it.

I'm not so sure the success that everybody seems to be attributing to Kyle (although I haven't seen anything that shows he's solely responsible for any of the drafts) can't be duplicated by someone else, perhaps with more experience, whom they have their eyes on. I think people are largely comparing Kyle, and his purported draft success, to previous Redskins drafts, rather than what someone else outside of the organization might be capable of.

Re: What happens with Kyle Smith?
 

[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1274003]Yeah, I get it.

I'm not so sure the success that everybody seems to be attributing to Kyle (although I haven't seen anything that shows he's solely responsible for any of the drafts) can't be duplicated by someone else, perhaps with more experience, whom they have their eyes on. I think people are largely comparing Kyle, and his purported draft success, to previous Redskins drafts, rather than what someone else outside of the organization might be capable of.[/quote]

Look at the number players drafted and signed in FA by Smith that are currently on the roster vs players acquired by Allen and McCloughan, this will tell you his hand print on the team. One negative thing about Smith has been his 4th rounders, Apke sucks, the jury is on Martin, AGG, Charles, Love, etc.

Re: What happens with Kyle Smith?
 

[quote=SFREDSKIN;1274008]Look at the number players drafted and signed in FA by Smith that are currently on the roster vs players acquired by Allen and McCloughan, this will tell you his hand print on the team. One negative thing about Smith has been his 4th rounders, Apke sucks, the jury is on Martin, AGG, Charles, Love, etc.[/quote]

Yeah, that's my point. Kyle's purported recent success is largely being compared on here to past Redskins regimes and their lack of great success, rather than to other GM candidates around the league and their experience / bodies of work.

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Worth considering that they are interviewing external guys for GM because they have to and Smith is going to be one of those candidates when they actually do the interviews?

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This sort of reminds me of when the mighty Eric Schaffer left and all the consternation over that. Somehow we survived.

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[quote=MTK;1274018]This sort of reminds me of when the mighty Eric Schaffer left and all the consternation over that. Somehow we survived.[/quote]

Totally different animal, capologist vs talent acquisition. Sure bring in Hurney or others without Smith (if he leaves) that will be your tell tale sign.