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[quote=skinsfan69;1270570]Popeyes would be dangerous for me. That is some good ass fried chicken.[/quote]

I remember growing up in the deep south, Popeyes was considered "Poor folk food" and now they are global.

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Haskins might be one of the worst first rounders I have ever seen. Ryan Leaf and JaMarcus Russell may be worse. Shuler was really bad as well. Haskins is right there with those 3.

Let's not get carried away w/ Heineken. He certainly played well yesterday. Dropped a few dimes and can do the basics, unlike Haskins. But I think if he has to start and play an entire game from the start it may not go well. Smith really isn't any better at this point, he just has experience. We don't have a QB and will have to address the position after the season.

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[quote=FrenchSkin;1270573]Forcing and advocating for/asking to are different things.

I just have a hard time seeing how this coaching staff didn't see that Haskins still hadn't understood what it took to be an NFL QB, and/or was out of his shoes following the strippers incident and his punishment.

And I do agree he had a really good game against the Seahawks, including first half IMO. But starting him, and even more so not benching him earlier reeked of "I got to give this freakin' kid every single chance available and only bench him when there's no other choice"... which reeks of Snyder's influence.[/quote]

Nah, starting DH was just the only decision to be made. DH was the best option for the team last night, he just played terribly. With the stripper incident, DH put Ron in an impossible position, but with the chance to win the division, you owe it to the rest of the team to start the guy you think gives you the best chance. Unfortunately with Alex out, that was DH. Honestly, if there was no stripper incident, the decision to start DH probably wouldn't have even be questioned.

You're not starting Heinicke over DH last night - period. Now that last night happened, it's a different story.

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[quote=FrenchSkin;1270573]Forcing and advocating for/asking to are different things.

I just have a hard time seeing how this coaching staff didn't see that Haskins still hadn't understood what it took to be an NFL QB, and/or was out of his shoes following the strippers incident and his punishment.

And I do agree he had a really good game against the Seahawks, including first half IMO. But starting him, and even more so not benching him earlier reeked of "I got to give this freakin' kid every single chance available and only bench him when there's no other choice"... which reeks of Snyder's influence.[/quote]

He didn't have a good game against Seattle. He had a good quarter.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1270576]Haskins might be one of the worst first rounders I have ever seen. Ryan Leaf and JaMarcus Russell may be worse. Shuler was really bad as well. Haskins is right there with those 3.

Let's not get carried away w/ Heineken. He certainly played well yesterday. Dropped a few dimes and can do the basics, unlike Haskins. But I think if he has to start and play an entire game from the start it may not go well. Smith really isn't any better at this point, he just has experience. [B]We don't have a QB and will have to address the position after the season[/B].[/quote]

Oh yeah definitely. I'm not sure anybody would think otherwise. Alex Smith is one of the most amazing sports stories I've ever witnessed, and he actually played quite well in some games, but we know he's not the future, and we need a starting QB next year.

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Philly would love nothing more than to knock us out of the playoffs, their state of mind after losing to Dallas and being eliminated is the question. Philly has 5 WR's and TE's that can play (Jeffries, D.Jackson and Ertz are back and playing well)

Things that worry me:

Smith coming back and being rusty
No Terry
Gibson after yesterday (hopefully no setback)

Philly lost Fletcher Cox, a LB and Goeddert during the game yesterday and could be back for our game (2 stingers and calf issue)

I don't buy the having their bags packed in at halftime, this is a national televised game and don't want to be embarrassed.

We'll need to play like we did against the Steelers.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1270578]Nah, starting DH was just the only decision to be made. DH was the best option for the team last night, he just played terribly. With the stripper incident, DH put Ron in an impossible position, but with the chance to win the division, you owe it to the rest of the team to start the guy you think gives you the best chance. Unfortunately with Alex out, that was DH. [B]Honestly, if there was no stripper incident, the decision to start DH probably wouldn't have even be questioned.[/B]

You're not starting Heinicke over DH last night - period. Now that last night happened, it's a different story.[/quote]

Definitely agree, but there was a stripper incident, and I'd expect a coach to see if a player actually gives the team the best chance, or is going to be distracted on top of being a distraction.

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[quote=SunnySide;1270564]Im not getting caught up with that. He was a top prospect in the 4th grade. His dad had NFL aspirations for him. Seems he came from a middle class type family in NJ then moved to Potomac Md to go to Bullis in the 9th grade.

He was on a different life trajectory than us. I worked baskin robbins at 15 and Popeyes/day laborer through out high school until college. We werent him. Few are.

He attained an incredible achievement, making the NFL. No one can take that from him.

He also apparently lost that achievement by being immature and entitled. basically the opposite of Chase Young. In ways I feel bad for him. He has no one to blame but himself but it is sad watching a young person experience these huge crushing emotions so early in life.

A lot was given to him unearned but that is the society we live in. Us 40-60 year old fat guys on our couches raise these 19 year old athletes above us on this pedestal like some greek gods .. only to discard them into the trash heap once they dont benefit our Sunday viewing pleasure anymore.

I feel for the young man. His feelings right now and the weight on his shoulders is vastly more than any of us could even imagine.

We created Dwayne Haskins in many ways. College to professional sports is a factory and these young guys are just products on an assembly line with a limited useful shelf life before they are discarded and replaced.[/quote]

Mutherfucker is not a victim

Please, pathetic

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[quote=oldfan;1270566]SunnySide - Your post is pure Bull shit. it is not societies fault. As far as I am concerned, that old lament is some liberals way of blaming everyone else for being lazy, entitled and immature.[/quote]

Dude take your political talk elsewhere (we have forums for that).

That being said, Haskins had plenty of opportunities. While I get he didn't get the best start here, he had plenty of chances to get himself straight. He didn't and his play got worst and has made dumb decisions on and or off the field.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1270574]I remember growing up in the deep south, Popeyes was considered "Poor folk food" and now they are global.[/quote]

Best red beans and rice anywhere and people fight for their sandwiches.

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All I will say is everyone saying Heineke should have started or put in at the start of the third....he throws an int on his first pass, you’d be complaining Ron should have kept Dwayne in and you’d be saying he should have given him the chance to “get hot” in the second half like vs Seattle. It’s just too easy to second guess as a fan, because you don’t have to make a decision or deal with the ramifications, you can just sit on your couch and say Ron should have done something different. I’m pretty’s sure Ron and Scott know that Dwayne sucks, but without Alex any choice is a really bad choice. And remember, this was a situation they inherited. And finally...too much coffee this morning....I blame Jabril Peppers for hurting Kyle Allen because I know he leg whipped him on purpose. 🤬

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[quote=SunnySide;1270564]Im not getting caught up with that. He was a top prospect in the 4th grade. His dad had NFL aspirations for him. Seems he came from a middle class type family in NJ then moved to Potomac Md to go to Bullis in the 9th grade.

He was on a different life trajectory than us. I worked baskin robbins at 15 and Popeyes/day laborer through out high school until college. We werent him. Few are.

He attained an incredible achievement, making the NFL. No one can take that from him.

He also apparently lost that achievement by being immature and entitled. basically the opposite of Chase Young. In ways I feel bad for him. He has no one to blame but himself but it is sad watching a young person experience these huge crushing emotions so early in life.

A lot was given to him unearned but that is the society we live in. Us 40-60 year old fat guys on our couches raise these 19 year old athletes above us on this pedestal like some greek gods .. only to discard them into the trash heap once they dont benefit our Sunday viewing pleasure anymore.

I feel for the young man. His feelings right now and the weight on his shoulders is vastly more than any of us could even imagine.

We created Dwayne Haskins in many ways. College to professional sports is a factory and these young guys are just products on an assembly line with a limited useful shelf life before they are discarded and replaced.[/quote]

The only weight on his shoulders is from that fatass he was feeding dollars too. :)

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1270585]Best red beans and rice anywhere and people fight for their sandwiches.[/quote]

I love everything they have lol

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1270585]Best red beans and rice anywhere and people fight for their sandwiches.[/quote]

must be better outside of AZ . . . Popeyes is HORRIBLE here!!! YUCK!!!

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[quote=FrenchSkin;1270582]Definitely agree, but there was a stripper incident, and I'd expect a coach to see if a player actually gives the team the best chance, or is going to be distracted on top of being a distraction.[/quote]

I'm sorry, I just can't (won't) fault the coaching staff for starting Haskins, whose been here for two years, with this staff all year, played "decently" in spots including last week against Seattle, over a QB who was a backup in the XFL, whom they signed less than three weeks ago to be their quarantine QB (break in case of emergency guy).

Maybe he's the next Kurt Warner I don't know, but there really was no decision with regard to last night's game.

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I don't hate DH. I don't know him well enough from what I have seen to come to that conclusion. I always feel I need to know someone before I can say I hate them, or have the weight of historical evidence steer me in that direction.

Having said that, I have absolutely no sympathy for him. He seems to me to have had his eye on the NFL as a cash cow to set him up for life with no consideration for his legacy. He opted to go to the NFL with only 1 year of college in the bank which smells of arrogance and greed; nobody forced him into that decision. His behaviour over the last 2 years hasn't been the worst (he hasn't beaten anyone up, robbed anyone etc.) but it smacks of an entitled attitude and a belief that he's earned his spot with what he's done to date (wrong!). If he's picked up by another team I'll be surprised but there's always someone who thinks that they can be a saviour. Swallow the cap loss and be rid of him. Move on and draft someone with all the character traits DH is missing, as a leader and potential franchise QB. I think RR knows that but he'd be cutting off his nose to spite his faced by releasing DH before the season is over. He'll be gone when it makes financial sense to do so.

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[quote=mredskins;1270531][url]https://www.phillyvoice.com/eagles-should-tank-their-week-17-game-vs-washington-football-team-0599970/[/url]

We lose that game and i rather we don't go to playoffs.[/quote]


Ummmmmm, that's because we won't go with a loss. I think we pull this out with a great storyline.

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[QUOTE=Chief X_Phackter;1270596]I'm sorry, I just can't (won't) fault the coaching staff for starting Haskins, whose been here for two years, with this staff all year, played "decently" in spots including last week against Seattle, over a QB who was a backup in the XFL, whom they signed less than three weeks ago to be their quarantine QB (break in case of emergency guy).

Maybe he's the next Kurt Warner I don't know, but there really was no decision with regard to last night's game.[/QUOTE]The thing is even if he had played really well, there was still an argument to be made for making a statement about this whole culture change we keep hearing about.
And I hear the argument for giving your team the best chance vs establishing culture.

But there is a benefit/risk balance to be found in this decision IMO. And if there was any indication during the week that this was the kind of performance he could put out, then the balance shifts towards make a culture statement, because anyway he's not giving us that big of an upside right now.

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There's a video by a poster named "joeken24" on Extremeskins, and Heinicke wasn't exactly seeing "soft coverage" as some are saying.

[url]https://es.redskins.com/topic/445995-next-day-thread-same-day-edition-wft-vs-panthers/page/4/[/url]

Just scroll down a bit and y'all will see the video.

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Chase Young finished Sunday's game with a 93.7 overall grade which is the highest grade of his career.

5 total pressures, 1 sack, 1 forced fumble, 3 defensive stops. DROY.

Also Heineke had a 82 Grade.

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Taylor Heineke is not the answer but he's the best non-Alex option we have to finish this season. Hopefully Alex can play Sunday but I wouldn't bank on it.

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[QUOTE=sdskinsfan2001;1270609]Taylor Heineke is not the answer but he's the best non-Alex option we have to finish this season. Hopefully Alex can play Sunday but I wouldn't bank on it.[/QUOTE]


If Smith can’t play Sunday, is his career over? You would assume if they lose it has to be

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1270603]Chase Young finished Sunday's game with a 93.7 overall grade which is the highest grade of his career.

5 total pressures, 1 sack, 1 forced fumble, 3 defensive stops. DROY.

Also Heineke had a 82 Grade.[/quote]

Thank you OK .. he was going up against 2-3 string LT most of the game but jack does move him around.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1270603]Chase Young finished Sunday's game with a 93.7 overall grade which is the highest grade of his career.

5 total pressures, 1 sack, 1 forced fumble, 3 defensive stops. DROY.

Also Heineke had a 82 Grade.[/quote]

Wow!

Heineken...easy to see why graded so high. Played well

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1270613]If Smith can’t play Sunday, is his career over? You would assume if they lose it has to be[/quote]

Rivera seems to have an affinity for Alex. Going to be interesting on how that plays out. I imagine Alex will try to play 1 more year, but that's just a guess. I think we will keep him and Allen/Heinicke and trade for/draft QB. Although if we're paying Alex don't think we'd also be able to pay another veteran. More likely we're drafting our next QB.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1270609]Taylor Heineke is not the answer but he's the best non-Alex option we have to finish this season. Hopefully Alex can play Sunday but I wouldn't bank on it.[/quote]

Heinicke's challenge in the NFL has never been about his arm, reading defenses, or ability to make good decisions on the field. Rather, his small stature has made him injury-prone when he takes a hit, which with his scrambling ability is going to happen often.

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Best scenario (no DH is gone), AS is recovered enough to beat the Eagles and play the 1st (and honestly I expect only playoff game), then realises he's done what he set out to do when he started his road back and retire 'on his terms'. We then have the ability to bring in an FA who can play 1-2 years saving us from reaching in the draft or suffering a monster trade to get our guy. We draft a good prospect outside the 1st round who turns out to be Cousins+.

Bad scenario, AS holds on for another year, maybe backing up a draft pick that proves another lost cause and we're drafting QB yet again in 2022. Possible but if I'm RR I'm having a serious conversation with Alex about retiring, and maybe taking a coaching role instead of playing out his contract.

Worst scenario we give up most of our draft to pick higher and get another bust with no talent around him. I don't see this scenario happening with RR.

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[quote=AnonEmouse;1270638]Best scenario (no DH is gone), AS is recovered enough to beat the Eagles and play the 1st (and honestly I expect only playoff game), then realises he's done what he set out to do when he started his road back and retire 'on his terms'. We then have the ability to bring in an FA who can play 1-2 years saving us from reaching in the draft or suffering a monster trade to get our guy. We draft a good prospect outside the 1st round who turns out to be Cousins+.

Bad scenario, AS holds on for another year, maybe backing up a draft pick that proves another lost cause and we're drafting QB yet again in 2022. Possible but if I'm RR I'm having a serious conversation with Alex about retiring, and maybe taking a coaching role instead of playing out his contract.

Worst scenario we give up most of our draft to pick higher and get another bust with no talent around him. I don't see this scenario happening with RR.[/quote]

Any idea who the veteran QB FA's are? Wouldn't mind that route but that's a tough or very expensive way to find a starter.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1270653]Any idea who the veteran QB FA's are? Wouldn't mind that route but that's a tough or very expensive way to find a starter.[/quote]

[url]https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/free-agents/all/quarterback/[/url]

I'd entertain Fitz if he actually leaves Miami. Bring back Kyle Allen maybe if we can't land a more solid interim starter. Not many on that list interest me much.

Good scenario if he's affordable (I doubt he will be and I reckon the Lions will retain him for at least 1 more year); get Stafford in a trade.

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For anyone interested, here are some highlights of Heinicke in college. I am not going to pollute this forum with any more, but thought some might be curious of his background.

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ul6v8VVVhKc[/url]

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Darby was targeted 5 times yesterday
He allowed 1 catch for 3 yards

Fuller 4 targets - 2 Receptions -1 yard.

Big props to these CBs, they have really stepped it up this yr.

Keep Darby

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[QUOTE=MissouriSkin;1270587]All I will say is everyone saying Heineke should have started or put in at the start of the third....he throws an int on his first pass, you’d be complaining Ron should have kept Dwayne in and you’d be saying he should have given him the chance to “get hot” in the second half like vs Seattle. It’s just too easy to second guess as a fan, because you don’t have to make a decision or deal with the ramifications, you can just sit on your couch and say Ron should have done something different. I’m pretty’s sure Ron and Scott know that Dwayne sucks, but without Alex any choice is a really bad choice. And remember, this was a situation they inherited. And finally...too much coffee this morning....I blame Jabril Peppers for hurting Kyle Allen because I know he leg whipped him on purpose. [emoji2959][/QUOTE]



It was so extremely apparent that Dwayne was shitting the bed that I do not think it is second guessing. What changes if Heineken comes in and shits the bed? Nothing. You go from terrible to terrible. The only way was up - that is how bad Haskins was playing.
It should have been done at the half, If not after the first quarter. It literally could not have gotten worse.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1270697]Darby was targeted 5 times yesterday
He allowed 1 catch for 3 yards

Fuller 4 targets - 2 Receptions -1 yard.

Big props to these CBs, they have really stepped it up this yr.

Keep Darby[/quote]

Darby has been such a bargain this year. I've been very surprised by a lot of negative opinions here about him. He's gonna get a nice paycheck in the offseason. Hopefully by us. Go Noles!

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1270702]Darby has been such a bargain this year. I've been very surprised by a lot of negative opinions here about him. He's gonna get a nice paycheck in the offseason. Hopefully by us. Go Noles![/quote]

I Can't recall a time where he was really burned deep in coverage, Fuller has been a few times but I don't think Darby has

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1270703]I Can't recall a time where he was really burned deep in coverage, Fuller has been a few times but I don't think Darby has[/quote]

I think he did have 1 really bad game where he got beat deep, but that is gonna happen to 99% of CB's. Overall, he has far exceeded my expectations, and has been worth every penny.

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Agree about Darby - we need to resign him. I don't think it will be too costly for the team to resign him.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1270703]I Can't recall a time where he was really burned deep in coverage, Fuller has been a few times but I don't think Darby has[/quote]

Darby has 100% been beat deep this season. He's had a couple stinkers.

But overall, his play has been solid. I wouldn't give him a big deal, but if he wanted a 3 year term with solid starter money that would work for me.

One name I haven't really noticed out there is Fabian Moreau. Is he challenging Moreland for the slot job? We should check out his # of snaps this year, I wonder how much PT he's getting.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1270703]I Can't recall a time where he was really burned deep in coverage, Fuller has been a few times but I don't think Darby has[/quote]

The Amari Cooper TD and PI but outside of that

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[quote=punch it in;1270698]It was so extremely apparent that Dwayne was shitting the bed that I do not think it is second guessing. What changes if Heineken comes in and shits the bed? Nothing. You go from terrible to terrible. The only way was up - that is how bad Haskins was playing.
It should have been done at the half, If not after the first quarter. It literally could not have gotten worse.[/quote]

Oh I agree, but my point was some people would have complained no matter what. Heck some people are saying Dwayne was cut because he’s black. That’s why I was saying Ron can’t win no matter what he does. Always a critic out there.

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[quote=MissouriSkin;1270753]Oh I agree, but my point was some people would have complained no matter what. Heck some people are saying Dwayne was cut because he’s black. That’s why I was saying Ron can’t win no matter what he does. Always a critic out there.[/quote]

Nowadays people throw in race when they disagree, sad state of affairs.