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Also some light reading pointing to fundamentals and policy in the Trump economy which made it superior to his predecessor

[url]https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-10-30/trump-s-economy-really-was-better-than-obama-s[/url]

Not only did the unemployment rate continue to fall, but the percentage of Americans aged 25 to 54 either employed or looking for a job saw its first sustained rise since the late 1980s. This inflection point changed the character of the labor market.

In 2016, real median household income was $62,898, just $257 above its level in 1999. Over the next three years it grew almost $6,000, to $68,703. That’s perhaps why, despite the pandemic, 56% of U.S. voters polled last month said their families were better off today than they were four years ago.

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[quote=Chico23231;1276398][url]https://www.businessinsider.com/nancy-pelosi-defends-rejection-trump-administrations-stimulus-offer-2020-12[/url]

At her weekly press conference on Friday, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi defended her support of a stimulus package half the size of what the Trump administration offered in October.

Filibustered one and rejected another.

Old forgotten news I guess...[/quote]

The problem is we're always in a race towards the bottom. Both sides act like assholes, then complain that the other side are bigger assholes, so therefore their assholes don't stink.

Where is the fucking leadership? Republicans have a chance here to move forwards and get an agreement done. Do it, so we can move forward with other legislation.

Note - Pelosi is an evil piece of shit and this was true well before COVID. Every politician should try to be the exact opposite of her.

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roughly 158 million americans recd some form of stimulus check form the most recent $600. Not all of the 158M americans recd the full $600 bc of sliding scale income caps.

221.2 Billion Dollars = if 158 million americans get the full 1,400 (the actual number wont be this high bc this doesnt take into account the reduced pmts on sliding scale income)

350 Billion = state/local/tribe relief

170 B = schools k-12 (repub only want 20B going to schools)

20 B = national vaccine program

^^ thats 761.2 billion dollars .. where the fuck is the other 1.2 TRILLION DOLLARS GOING to from the dems 1.9T proposal? Ive read a "slew of other programs" ...

Dems need to give me a god damn pie chart explaining this to me like im a five year old.


[url]https://www.cnbc.com/2021/02/02/coronavirus-stimulus-democrats-try-to-pass-1point9-trillion-relief-bill.html[/url]

[url]https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/business/coronavirus-stimulus-check-calculator/[/url]

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[quote=Chico23231;1276399]Also some light reading pointing to fundamentals and policy in the Trump economy which made it superior to his predecessor

[url]https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-10-30/trump-s-economy-really-was-better-than-obama-s[/url]

Not only did the unemployment rate continue to fall, but the percentage of Americans aged 25 to 54 either employed or looking for a job saw its first sustained rise since the late 1980s. This inflection point changed the character of the labor market.

In 2016, real median household income was $62,898, just $257 above its level in 1999. Over the next three years it grew almost $6,000, to $68,703. That’s perhaps why, despite the pandemic, 56% of U.S. voters polled last month said their families were better off today than they were four years ago.[/quote]

If COVID never happened, Trump would definitely still be president. The economy is always the number 1 issue among most mainstream voters. China Joe definitely benefited from COVID.

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[quote=SunnySide;1276401]roughly 158 million americans recd some form of stimulus check form the most recent $600. Not all of the 158M americans recd the full $600 bc of sliding scale income caps.

221.2 Billion Dollars = if 158 million americans get the full 1,400 (the actual number wont be this high bc this doesnt take into account the reduced pmts on sliding scale income)

350 Billion = state/local/tribe relief

170 B = schools k-12 (repub only want 20B going to schools)

20 B = national vaccine program

^^ thats 761.2 billion dollars .. where the fuck is the other 1.2 TRILLION DOLLARS GOING to from the dems 1.9T proposal? Ive read a "slew of other programs" ...

Dems need to give me a god damn pie chart explaining this to me like im a five year old.

[url]https://www.cnbc.com/2021/02/02/coronavirus-stimulus-democrats-try-to-pass-1point9-trillion-relief-bill.html[/url]

[url]https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/business/coronavirus-stimulus-check-calculator/[/url][/quote]

Please CC me on this pie chart email. I'd also like to know. But this applies to any spending bill no matter who passed it.

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Covid was a silver platter handed to the man .. all he had to do was show the tiniest bit of leadership .. instead he viewed it as some personal hoax attack on him. in times of national crisis (9/11 .. war) presidents get a huge bump bc the country usually comes together in tough times.

Instead he somehow fucked that up. Fuck him.


Also .. the economy DOES NOT equal the stock market. The economy was not great. GDP was plateud and never made it to 4% annually as promised, the tax proposal and cuts passed under "budget reconciliation" by the Rs for the 1% and corporations DID NOT pay for themselves and cost us money .. all the while we racked up huge national debt when we were not in a recession or depression ...and we started a trade war with China that caused us to over bail out our farmers just so Rs could buy the farmer votes.

if you think the economy was great ... you should probably stop eating those crayons.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1276402]If COVID never happened, Trump would definitely still be president. The economy is always the number 1 issue among most mainstream voters. China Joe definitely benefited from COVID.[/quote]

The lead has been buried...the Trump economy saved the country from a potential collapse in the face a pandemic unlike anything seen in 100 years.

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[quote=Chico23231;1276393]Nobody should get relief checks if they haven’t been impacted by covid. If you make the same money or more, you shouldn’t get a dime[/quote]

What do you call "being impacted"???Please give us your wisdom?:doh:

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[quote=SunnySide;1276404][B]Covid was a silver platter handed to the man[/B] .. all he had to do was show the tiniest bit of leadership .. instead he viewed it as some personal hoax attack on him. in times of national crisis (9/11 .. war) presidents get a huge bump bc the country usually comes together in tough times.

Instead he somehow fucked that up. Fuck him.


Also .. the economy DOES NOT equal the stock market. The economy was not great. GDP was plateud and never made it to 4% annually as promised, the tax proposal and cuts passed under "budget reconciliation" by the Rs for the 1% and corporations DID NOT pay for themselves and cost us money .. all the while we racked up huge national debt when we were not in a recession or depression ...and we started a trade war with China that caused us to over bail out our farmers just so Rs could buy the farmer votes.

if you think the economy was great ... you should probably stop eating those crayons.[/quote]

That’s a hellavu take buddy. I guess the vaccination was just what then what to Biden

On what planet would you argue the economy was bad? Lol...forget the stock market, nobody mentioned it. Read the fundamentals, speak for themselves...not only did unemployment see records..but all time record low for minorities. The biggest thing is we saw wage growth, something not seen under Obama.

You have to be a complete hack to think the economy was bad under trump. Best part is the strategy and policy directives answer.

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Covid silver platter....just an unbelievable take.

Sunnyside you know I love ya. Still not the boldest take... mooby came over agreeing w/me saying shooting unarmed rioters was in scope. Probably my fav moment.

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So. Let's all take a deep breath - Chico you know you arent going to win arguments here about the last 4 years, and both sides live in the state of hypocrisy so let's not try to attack Biden for things Trump and Obama and Bush all were guilty of.

The Democrats have the House Senate and Presidency so at this point the Republicans need to set down and make the case when it is election time. Every issue does not have to be the end of the world.

Marijuana- legalize it and commute en masse misdemeanor drug convections since 2000

Federal Minimum wage - add CoLA to it (dont understand why they didnt do something like that to begin with) and set it at 15

Immigration i dont know the solution but put something in place.

Obamacare - fix it. The republicans couldnt repeal it so now come up with a plan that actually works.



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[QUOTE=CRedskinsRule;1276417]So. Let's all take a deep breath - Chico you know you arent going to win arguments here about the last 4 years, and both sides live in the state of hypocrisy so let's not try to attack Biden for things Trump and Obama and Bush all were guilty of.

The Democrats have the House Senate and Presidency so at this point the Republicans need to set down and make the case when it is election time. Every issue does not have to be the end of the world.

Marijuana- legalize it and commute en masse misdemeanor drug convections since 2000

Federal Minimum wage - add CoLA to it (dont understand why they didnt do something like that to begin with) and set it at 15

Immigration i dont know the solution but put something in place.

Obamacare - fix it. The republicans couldnt repeal it so now come up with a plan that actually works.



Sent from my SM-G973U using Tapatalk[/QUOTE]To be clear I dont think all these policies are good but the Rep.s lost so I recognize the Dems need to and should pass the programs they campaigned on.

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[quote=Chico23231;1276393]Nobody should get relief checks if they haven’t been impacted by covid. If you make the same money or more, you shouldn’t get a dime[/quote]

Still waiting chico , what do you mean "Being Impacted"???

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Didn't take long to try to make DC a state. Such a fucking joke. Can't wait to hear about how democrats want this because it's fair. And absolutely nothing to do with a guaranteed 2 Senators forever and how many ever house seats they can get. When the democratic party says something is fair, you know if you're not a Democrat you're about to get fucked. May the deep state live on forever!!

Puerto Rico is next, which shockingly is 2 more senate seats forever, and how many ever house seats they can get. But that has nothing to do with it. It's "fair".

Note - I don't actually blame Puerto Rico for wanting to be a state. You keep territories for long enough they should want a piece of the apple pie. Not actually against them becoming a state even if conservatives don't have a chance there. They're an island, not like they can just create their own county in 2021.

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[quote=SunnySide;1276404]Covid was a silver platter handed to the man .. all he had to do was show the tiniest bit of leadership .. instead he viewed it as some personal hoax attack on him. in times of national crisis (9/11 .. war) presidents get a huge bump bc the country usually comes together in tough times.

Instead he somehow fucked that up. Fuck him.

Also .. the economy DOES NOT equal the stock market. The economy was not great. GDP was plateud and never made it to 4% annually as promised, the tax proposal and cuts passed under "budget reconciliation" by the Rs for the 1% and corporations DID NOT pay for themselves and cost us money .. all the while we racked up huge national debt when we were not in a recession or depression ...and we started a trade war with China that caused us to over bail out our farmers just so Rs could buy the farmer votes.

if you think the economy was great ... you should probably stop eating those crayons.[/quote]

[quote=Chico23231;1276410]That’s a hellavu take buddy. I guess the vaccination was just what then what to Biden

On what planet would you argue the economy was bad? Lol...forget the stock market, nobody mentioned it. Read the fundamentals, speak for themselves...not only did unemployment see records..but all time record low for minorities. The biggest thing is we saw wage growth, something not seen under Obama.

You have to be a complete hack to think the economy was bad under trump. Best part is the strategy and policy directives answer.[/quote]

This is why there is no point about discussing Trump further here. And I agree with Chico. That being said, it doesn't even matter who is right, we're all in completely opposite ends of reality. There is just no chance for reasonable debate. We all have our sides (SunnySide, myself absolutely included, if not the most guilty).

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Mike Rowe in 2024. I love that guy.

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Ibram X. Kendi can go fuck himself. Professor for Boston University, peddling things like if you're black there is nothing wrong about you and if you're white there is nothing right about you. While making great money. Thanks Captain Obvious. 99% of all people don't equate their skin color to being righteous. Most universities are indoctrination camps at this point.

On top of that, he actually specified males, so I guess women are safe, but sex isn't really a thing anymore, so he stole everyone's rights to describe themselves. What a racist, sexist pig. But he's a liberal, and not white, the double victory to say or do whatever you want.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1276457]Didn't take long to try to make DC a state. Such a fucking joke. Can't wait to hear about how democrats want this because it's fair. And absolutely nothing to do with a guaranteed 2 Senators forever and how many ever house seats they can get. When the democratic party says something is fair, you know if you're not a Democrat you're about to get fucked. May the deep state live on forever!!
.[/quote]
You do know they have been pushing for this for decades ?:stop:

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DC and Puerto Rico should be states then chop california in half and oregon as well to balance things out

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50 always been a nice even number...

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[quote=Chico23231;1276464]50 always been a nice even number...[/quote]

So is 52.

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Taxation without representation.

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The Dakotas want to merge so that would be pretty easy to keep it at 50.

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[QUOTE=Giantone;1276472]Taxation without representation.[/QUOTE]To be fair the area was that way from day 1 of our country and if people want to be represented they can move less then 5 miles. This isnt the same as th british telling the colonies they could not have representatives in parliament.

But yes i am more than ok with dc getting statehood. Can we move the federal government to st louis or somewhere more centralized too? Please???

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1276484]To be fair the area was that way from day 1 of our country and if people want to be represented they can move less then 5 miles. This isnt the same as th british telling the colonies they could not have representatives in parliament.

But yes i am more than ok with dc getting statehood. Can we move the federal government to st louis or somewhere more centralized too? Please???

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It is centralized right where it is.

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[QUOTE=Giantone;1276485]It is centralized right where it is.[/QUOTE]I meant physically central within the contiguous 48. But mostly just would love to get the federal govt out of this area.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1276487]I meant physically central within the contiguous 48. But mostly just would love to get the federal govt out of this area.

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why?

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1276462]DC and Puerto Rico should be states then chop california in half and oregon as well to balance things out

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No no. The game is only to create democrat seats. This would never fly.

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[QUOTE=Giantone;1276488]why?[/QUOTE]Personal animosity toward the federal government and the traffic congestion it brings.

It aint happening so it doesnt matter.

From a historical perspective the federal government was placed in dc as part of the grand compromise to keep government seperate from the powerful business interests located in NYC and Philadelphia. At this point the midatlantic is the equivalent of nyc and philadelphia back then and moving it to a less urbanized seat would keep that same intended balance.

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[quote=Giantone;1276461]You do know they have been pushing for this for decades ?:stop:[/quote]

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Combine North & South Dakota and Rhode Island & Connecticut. The Dakotas and Connecticut Island. Then you can admit DC and Puerto Rico and keep it at 50 states.

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[url]https://www.foxnews.com/politics/john-kerry-private-jet-iceland-climate-award[/url]

John Kerry took private jet to Iceland for environmental award, called it 'only choice for somebody like me'

Kerry defended move in interview with Icelandic reporter.


Lol...just imagine being this dumb. Complete clown show and typical hypocrisy by the left.

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There is nothing special about 50 states. You could make a nice star of stars with 53 stars

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1276501]There is nothing special about 50 states. You could make a nice star of stars with 53 stars

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First we lose the Redskins name then we lose having 50 states. Too much change. Get off my lawn!!

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[url]https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2021/02/02/politics/migrant-children-facility-immigration/index.html?__twitter_impression=true[/url]

Biden administration prepares to open overflow facility for migrant children


Kids in cages is apparently back in...of course that would be the headline if Trump was still in office. Disgraceful, lying media back at it again.

Is AOC gonna cry again at the fence? Laughable hypocrisy again folks

#enemyofthepeople

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1276502]First we lose the Redskins name then we lose having 50 states. Too much change. Get off my lawn!![/quote]

Ok, we kick california out of the union and give DC their star 1 for 1 no loss in senators LOL

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[quote=Chico23231;1276498][url]https://www.foxnews.com/politics/john-kerry-private-jet-iceland-climate-award[/url]

John Kerry took private jet to Iceland for environmental award, called it 'only choice for somebody like me'

Kerry defended move in interview with Icelandic reporter.


Lol...just imagine being this dumb. Complete clown show and typical hypocrisy by the left.[/quote]

chico seriously needs help .

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[QUOTE=Giantone;1276512]chico seriously needs help .[/QUOTE]How do you not see the hypocrisy of the ecopolitics subset?

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How many trips do we think Trump took to Florida the last 4 years to play golf? Just curious what his eco impact was since we're suddenly so concerned about that. Hypocrisy is everywhere folks.

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[quote=MTK;1276516]How many trips do we think Trump took to Florida the last 4 years to play golf? Just curious what his eco impact was since we're suddenly so concerned about that. Hypocrisy is everywhere folks.[/quote]

You can’t tell the difference? One was instituted as a climate czar by the Biden administration...which policies “supposedly”* are curtailed to the liberal thinking of how climate change is an immediate threat.

Bigly sees it differently and polices showed that.


It’s hypocrisy... and policy consistency. Kerry is a clown and this is just another reason why the folks implement policies they [B]know are bullshit [/B]to the point they do the opposite or least prudent when clear alternatives are available

These dems don’t believe half the shit they say...it’s evident. Yet they will kill a family source income to appease the retards who do believe in this trash.