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I wasn't a big fan of drafting BR in the 3rd but boy was I wrong on that one. I am still shocked that he was shot in the knee a few months ago and is now trucking NFL defenders. Crazy.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1333134]This is f*cking ridiculous.[/quote]

Yep, this is example 1A of why Turner sucks. We are way better at running the ball than we are at passing. But he wants to pass the ball in the redzone, so that's what we do, even if it lowers our chances of scoring.

You have to scheme around your talent.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1333135]I wasn't a big fan of drafting BR in the 3rd but boy was I wrong on that one. I am still shocked that he was shot in the knee a few months ago and is now trucking NFL defenders. Crazy.[/quote]

Yeah, he's a bad ass. Definitely looking like a great pick. He should be a 1200+ yard rusher next year.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1333122]I wasn't even familiar with the term "duo run play" until yesterday.

[url]https://coachtube.com/football/articles/the-misunderstood-yet-powerful-run-scheme---duo[/url]

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ohh shit I also go to coachtube for play explanations. I think I might have posted a mesh concept one yesterday?

I also need the playbook for dummies.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1333135]I wasn't a big fan of drafting BR in the 3rd but boy was I wrong on that one. I am still shocked that he was shot in the knee a few months ago and is now trucking NFL defenders. Crazy.[/quote]

The players they are picking have been excellent, very pleasant surprises, they certainly have an eye for talent. Heard it reported somewhere that Mayhew wanted to draft Kenyon Green in the first over Dotson. Looking forward to what Mathis can bring next year

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I like that BR is willing to stretch his runs to the edge more lately. He’s not a speedster but he’s got enough to get around the corner. I think next year he will really take his game to the next level.

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[quote=EdmundDorf;1333140]The players they are picking have been excellent, very pleasant surprises, they certainly have an eye for talent. Heard it reported somewhere that Mayhew wanted to draft Kenyon Green in the first over Dotson. Looking forward to what Mathis can bring next year[/quote]

I have no idea how Green is doing, but that would have sucked. Dotson is going to be a bad ass here for at least 5 years. If we didn't re-sign Terry he would be my new favorite player. I don't know why, but I always gravitate towards receivers as my favorite players. With Trent Williams being an exception for a few years.

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If we are talking draft picks, Jamon Davis has come around

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1333146]I have no idea how Green is doing, but that would have sucked. Dotson is going to be a bad ass here for at least 5 years. If we didn't re-sign Terry he would be my new favorite player. I don't know why, but I always gravitate towards receivers as my favorite players. With Trent Williams being an exception for a few years.[/quote]

Green was the 1st round Guard that JA dominated against the Texans. Has not had a good rookie season. But neither do many others.

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[quote=EdmundDorf;1333153]Green was the 1st round Guard that JA dominated against the Texans. Has not had a good rookie season. But neither do many others.[/quote]

Thanks, I was traveling during that game, so didn't get to watch.

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1333090]I know you are a big Howell advocate so I'd like your take. My take with Howell is if he isn't being considered to start it is because he hasn't shown he has what it takes in practice. There is a gap either in running the offense or playbook understanding that we are not privy to knowing. The other option is that the coaching staff is stubbornly plugging along with square pegs in round holes.[/quote]

My take is Ron spent $26 mil on a washed up QB and doesn’t want to be ridiculed. I know putting Howell in the SF game would like throwing him to the wolves, put him as a backup to TH and try him out if TH can’t get anything going.

Going back to Wentz with BRob in there won’t be any better than with TH. Wentz panics and overthrows or holds onto the ball and gets sacked.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1333159]My take is [B]Dan Snyder[/B] spent $26 mil on a washed up QB and doesn’t want to be ridiculed. I know putting Howell in the SF game would like throwing him to the wolves, put him as a backup to TH and try him out if TH can’t get anything going.

Going back to Wentz with BRob in there won’t be any better than with TH. Wentz panics and overthrows or holds onto the ball and gets sacked.[/quote]

Fixed it for you.

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Interesting twitter feed:
[url]https://twitter.com/surrender_idx90/with_replies[/url]

Ranks cowardly punts. Washington had two on Sunday.
The first:
WSH decided to punt to NYG from the NYG 34 on 4th & 12 with 8:33 remaining in the 1st while tied 0 to 0.

With a Surrender Index of 19.18, this punt ranks at the 98th percentile of cowardly punts of the 2022 season, and the 96th percentile of all punts since 1999.

and even worse

WSH decided to punt to NYG from the NYG 40 on 4th & 6 with 10:28 remaining in the 2nd while losing 3 to 7.

With a Surrender Index of 38.54, this punt ranks at the 99.4th percentile of cowardly punts of the 2022 season, and the 98th percentile of all punts since 1999.

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1333174]Interesting twitter feed:
[url]https://twitter.com/surrender_idx90/with_replies[/url]

Ranks cowardly punts. Washington had two on Sunday.
The first:
WSH decided to punt to NYG from the NYG 34 on 4th & 12 with 8:33 remaining in the 1st while tied 0 to 0.

With a Surrender Index of 19.18, this punt ranks at the 98th percentile of cowardly punts of the 2022 season, and the 96th percentile of all punts since 1999.

and even worse

WSH decided to punt to NYG from the NYG 40 on 4th & 6 with 10:28 remaining in the 2nd while losing 3 to 7.

With a Surrender Index of 38.54, this punt ranks at the 99.4th percentile of cowardly punts of the 2022 season, and the 98th percentile of all punts since 1999.[/quote]

LOL. That's awesome. I guess it's hard to look at the analytics with your arms folded. I wonder if his headset is even on.

Dingy Boat Ron. 2 96th+ coward punts in 1 game, very impressive.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1333176]LOL. That's awesome. I guess it's hard to look at the analytics with your arms folded. I wonder if his headset is even on.

Dingy Boat Ron. 2 96th+ coward punts in 1 game, very impressive.[/quote]

it really shows he has little confidence in his offense.

I cant blame him with Tiny Taylor at the helm.

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1333174]Interesting twitter feed:
[url]https://twitter.com/surrender_idx90/with_replies[/url]

Ranks cowardly punts. Washington had two on Sunday.
The first:
WSH decided to punt to NYG from the NYG 34 on 4th & 12 with 8:33 remaining in the 1st while tied 0 to 0.

With a Surrender Index of 19.18, this punt ranks at the 98th percentile of cowardly punts of the 2022 season, and the 96th percentile of all punts since 1999.

and even worse

WSH decided to punt to NYG from the NYG 40 on 4th & 6 with 10:28 remaining in the 2nd while losing 3 to 7.

With a Surrender Index of 38.54, this punt ranks at the 99.4th percentile of cowardly punts of the 2022 season, and the 98th percentile of all punts since 1999.[/quote]

What would you have done on 4th and 12 from the 34 w/ Heinicke, wind in your face and a o-line that was not holding up in pass pro? In that situation I'm punting 10 and of 10 times.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1333182]What would you have done on 4th and 12 from the 34 w/ Heinicke, wind in your face and a o-line that was not holding up in pass pro? In that situation I'm punting 10 and of 10 times.[/quote]

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[IMG]https://media.tenor.com/_zhm2l3wQ_QAAAAC/varsity-blues-lance-harbor.gif[/IMG]

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The punting discussion makes me curious. I remember coffin corner punts being used often in the past, to try to restrict the return potential. Why is it this isn't done any more? Most punts seem to be aimed centre field now, when attempted around midfield. 🤔

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[quote=skinsfan69;1333182]What would you have done on 4th and 12 from the 34 w/ Heinicke, wind in your face and a o-line that was not holding up in pass pro? In that situation I'm punting 10 and of 10 times.[/quote]

At the 34 I am making a FG attempt. Especially in the 1st quarter and 0-0.

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It was an interesting play simply because our gunners overran the punt returner and he didn't make the obvious fair catch signal and instead had a big return for minimal net gain. It was a perfect storm of failure for us - the most desirable outcomes would've been Tress punting it out of bounds inside the 10 or having a touchback for normal field position.

But the odds dictate - Obv Ron or whoever consulted Slye and Slye said kicking a 50+ yarder directly into the wind is a bad idea - somebody just didn't consider a failed 4th down conversion where you gain a few yards is basically the same as a punt. Either way the punt wasn't what killed us. But it was cowardly.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1332964]Despite the bs from the refs, if you're going to be a real playoff team you bury the Giants at home. We are not good enough to do that. It's the same old same old.. Heinicke, play calling, Turner, o-line..

Why do you run Samuel into the teeth of the defense and take BR out of the game? How stupid is that? Why does Ron let that happen? That is the dumbest shit ever. [B]Take out BR who is running over the Giants and then give the ball to your 185lb WR to run up the middle.[/B] SMH...[/quote]

That was the absolute dumbest thing I saw during the game last night. BRob gets through that arm tackle and probably gets 4-5 more yards on top of that.

It is that kind of shit that gets me fuming during the games...even my 14 year old understands that was a stupid call. I stepped away, and he was like "Dad you gotta see this"...

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[quote=EdmundDorf;1333007]I dont think we need to say more....

JP Finlay on Twitter
Brian Robinson got 4 carries in the second half of that game. Antonio Gibson had 1 second half carry.[/quote]

That is sickening, honestly.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1333184][IMG]https://media.tenor.com/qQfvTprQE-wAAAAC/football-fire-that-pig-skin.gif[/IMG]

[IMG]https://media.tenor.com/_zhm2l3wQ_QAAAAC/varsity-blues-lance-harbor.gif[/IMG][/quote]

Absolutely

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1333206]That is sickening, honestly.[/quote]

Scott Turner is a moron. We're limited at QB and OL. But lots of teams have weaknesses there. There isn't enough elite guys to play all of those spots. Those should be way harder to fill than a OC.

Then again Rivera is in charge of both. So maybe he's the chief moron. I won't blame him for QB, most teams are looking for the guy. But I will blame him for the OL and Turner. But Turner is still a moron.

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Thing is the offense does plenty of things that work, and work well. But when things are working well, I feel like he tries to get too cute. Just stay with what is working!

It's like that stretch of runs in the 4th quarter where S Barkley got like 10 yards every time. Just keep running the same play until they stop it. That's what a smart OC will do. We don't have a smart OC. We have one that is desperately trying to make a name for himself, and is failing miserably in the process.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1333211]Thing is the offense does plenty of things that work, and work well. But when things are working well, I feel like he tries to get too cute. Just stay with what is working!

It's like that stretch of runs in the 4th quarter where S Barkley got like 10 yards every time. Just keep running the same play until they stop it. That's what a smart OC will do. We don't have a smart OC. We have one that is desperately trying to make a name for himself, and is failing miserably in the process.[/quote]

100% accurate

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1333211]Thing is the offense does plenty of things that work, and work well. But when things are working well, I feel like he tries to get too cute. Just stay with what is working!

It's like that stretch of runs in the 4th quarter where S Barkley got like 10 yards every time. Just keep running the same play until they stop it. That's what a smart OC will do. We don't have a smart OC. [B]We have one that is desperately trying to make a name for himself, and is failing miserably in the process.[/B][/quote]

Accurate. Watching Saquon run the same play 3 times in a row for 10-15 yards a play hurt.

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[quote=mooby;1333217]Accurate. Watching Saquon run the same play 3 times in a row for 10-15 yards a play hurt.[/quote]

Were the Giants in a semi hurry up no huddle so we couldnt sub out?

I remember wondering why we didnt go to 5 DL. Flip side .. I think the Giants audibled early when we showed 5 DL and beat it pretty good w a pass play

I feel like we were hesitant to go 5 DL on SNF

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Bates .. wondering why, when Thib was beating Leno 1 on 1 we didnt move a TE to chip/help. I thought Bates was out but apparently he played 36 snaps on SNF.

Bostic played 41 snaps

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Running Samual five times for 1 yard is insane… BR is one of the top RB in league and he gets almost no touches in 2cnd half ??? That is just WRONG!
News FLASH to Turner … Taylor is at best a game manager stop trying to turn him into a top tier big arm QB .

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[quote=SunnySide;1333261]Bates .. wondering why, when Thib was beating Leno 1 on 1 we didnt move a TE to chip/help. I thought Bates was out but apparently he played 36 snaps on SNF.[/quote]

Particularly on their D TD play. You're backed up and the guy has been getting in the backfield all night, so why the hell leave your LT 1 on 1 with no TE chip or blocking back? TH had virtually no protection on that play. 🙄

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I think the issue w/ Turner is it's not that he isn't smart. He's probably a pretty sharp guy I think. His issue is he wants to be the smartest mother effer in the room. Look at how cool my plays are. Look at all my cool shifts. Just running the meat and potatoes plays aren't good enough for him.

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Went back on dvr and watched that 3rd and 3 play run w Samuels.

We went spread 4 wide (2 on each side), Samuel in backfield, pretty sure it was shotgun (indicating pass)

Giants went nickel or dime, just 4 DL and no LBs near LOS.

There was a huge hole on the B gap on right side that Samuel hit .. problem was Landon Collins and another guy were closing in on the hole.

Tackled 1 yard short of the FD.

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Going spread we got the look we wanted from the Giants ... just a bit of bad luck, came up short.

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BRob gets through that and it's a 1st down. I'm not questioning the call, but definitely questioning the personnel used.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1333319]BRob gets through that and it's a 1st down. I'm not questioning the call, but definitely questioning the personnel used.[/quote]

3rd and 3, I trust Robinson more than Heinicke. Running the ball would be my preference, just not to Samuel as you said. A playaction fake to Robinson with a rollout pass/run option for Heinicke would be my 2nd choice.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1333303]I think the issue w/ Turner is it's not that he isn't smart. He's probably a pretty sharp guy I think. His issue is he wants to be the smartest mother effer in the room. Look at how cool my plays are. Look at all my cool shifts. Just running the meat and potatoes plays aren't good enough for him.[/quote]

I totally agree, an affliction that many OCs seem to suffer from when, especially they have defensive HCs or they become a HC themselves

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1333319]BRob gets through that and it's a 1st down. I'm not questioning the call, but definitely questioning the personnel used.[/quote]

Agreed but i dont think you get the same look from the Giants w BRob in there.

I tried finding this play on teh internet, watched the long highlights and this play cant find it save my dvr on my cable box

We had 5 OL on 4 DL .. giants in a dime or buffalo nickel w collins

One thing I do wonder, watching teh play, is how this huge hole opened but it was right were Collins and another D guy were plugging

I wonder if the Giants "gave" us that hole

idk

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Going spread and having the D mirror your personnel is a win

using samuel in these roles to get the D to go dime/play pass is a win

just bad luck and a yard short

Going into this season Logan Paulsen and Hoffman talked about how they could get mismatches using Samuel in back field, getting to run on pass defenses etc

We complain Turner doesnt use our playmakers

then complain when he uses our playmakers .. and I get it. running Samuel up gut isnt what we are talking about or have in mind

This playcall worked on paper and pre snap

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[quote=SunnySide;1333324]Agreed but i dont think you get the same look from the Giants w BRob in there.

I tried finding this play on teh internet, watched the long highlights and this play cant find it save my dvr on my cable box

We had 5 OL on 4 DL .. giants in a dime or buffalo nickel w collins

One thing I do wonder, watching teh play, is how this huge hole opened but it was right were Collins and another D guy were plugging

I wonder if the Giants "gave" us that hole

idk

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Going spread and having the D mirror your personnel is a win

using samuel in these roles to get the D to go dime/play pass is a win

just bad luck and a yard short

Going into this season Logan Paulsen and Hoffman talked about how they could get mismatches using Samuel in back field, getting to run on pass defenses etc

We complain Turner doesnt use our playmakers

then complain when he uses our playmakers .. and I get it. running Samuel up gut isnt what we are talking about or have in mind

This playcall worked on paper and pre snap[/quote]

Yeah, you probably don't get the same look, and it also probably doesn't matter. No way to know for sure.

I do think Turner is trying to get our playmakers involved, and with the limitations at QB he probably feels like he has to do things like he did on this play. But Curtis Samuel is not Deebo Samuel, and he has no business getting the ball on a run up the middle on 3rd and 3 (or whatever it was). Sometimes I get the feeling that ST just gets way too creative, when something straight forward that has been working - would work. It's a big contributor to our Red Zone issues too in my opinion. I'm not against creativity of course, but there is such a thing as being "too cute" with the play calling. When we need 1-3 yards, give the ball to BRob. He will get the first down probably 7-8 out of 10 times.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1333332]Yeah, you probably don't get the same look, and it also probably doesn't matter. No way to know for sure.

I do think Turner is trying to get our playmakers involved, and with the limitations at QB he probably feels like he has to do things like he did on this play. But Curtis Samuel is not Deebo Samuel, and he has no business getting the ball on a run up the middle on 3rd and 3 (or whatever it was). Sometimes I get the feeling that ST just gets way too creative, when something straight forward that has been working - would work. It's a big contributor to our Red Zone issues too in my opinion. I'm not against creativity of course, but there is such a thing as being "too cute" with the play calling. When we need 1-3 yards, give the ball to BRob. He will get the first down probably 7-8 out of 10 times.[/quote]

Yeah running Samuel up the middle, even if you get the D look you want ... its one of those decisions were youd better be right.

If it works? Genuis!
Fails? straight to jail.

Id like to see some actual normla jet sweep ... like actually hand it off to samuel or whoever is in motion vs just going through the motion half ass, D knows its half ass

Like Paulsen said of our half hearted shotgun PA that isnt fooling anyone .. i want a hard under center PA in like 12 personnel or 21 where Brob is the fake runner turned blocker and Gibson is the hot dump off if needed but Terry and Dotson are screaming down the field

idk

Ive been playing a lot of madden lately

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[quote=SunnySide;1333336]Yeah running Samuel up the middle, even if you get the D look you want ... its one of those decisions were youd better be right.

If it works? Genuis!
Fails? straight to jail.

Id like to see some actual normla jet sweep ... like actually hand it off to samuel or whoever is in motion vs just going through the motion half ass, D knows its half ass

Like Paulsen said of our half hearted shotgun PA that isnt fooling anyone .. i want a hard under center PA in like 12 personnel or 21 where Brob is the fake runner turned blocker and Gibson is the hot dump off if needed but Terry and Dotson are screaming down the field

idk

[B]Ive been playing a lot of madden lately[/B][/quote]

Turner probably does too. But he creates his own team and plays on easy-mode. Everything always works.