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[quote=rocnrik;1336856]Yep Rookie QB do have a lot to prove ..I guess that’s why Ron keeps bringing in Vet QBs…[B]Probably gonna end up with Carr[/B] .[/quote]

The worst move.

I like to see this

Jacoby Brisset (or a vet of that level)
Sam the screaming Korean
Mid level draft pick from this draft class

Have those three compete for the QB1 spot

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[QUOTE=jamf;1336847]You guys and your build around Howell bullshit.
Ok maybe he is the guy, there is a high likelyhood that he isn’t.

Look at Dallas. Dak dazzled for a few games and got a huge contract. Dak also lost this game. You can’t compete without elite QB play. The ceiling has to be higher than Howell.[/QUOTE]


If you can figure out a way to get Herbert, Mahommes, Hurts, or Burrow to town let me know. Not sure what our other options are with other holes, not a ton of cap, and the 16th pick in a fairly week quarterback class Jamf. Like i said before im all for drafting a guy mid round like we did Howell and letting them battle it out.

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[quote=NC_Skins;1336841]I can watch this all day long....LOL

[url]https://www.clippituser.tv/c/wnbbwp[/url][/quote]

If that was Washington you wouldn't see the end of it

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[quote=jamf;1336847]You guys and your build around Howell bullshit.
Ok maybe he is the guy, there is a high likelyhood that he isn’t.

Look at Dallas. Dak dazzled for a few games and got a huge contract. Dak also lost this game. You can’t compete without elite QB play. The ceiling has to be higher than Howell.[/quote]

Look at San Fran, investing in Purdy has them a game away. They didn’t quit looking after putting draft capital into Trey Lance.

You ALWAYS need to be looking.

I’d say let’s see what’s Howell got, but also keep your eyes on the draft

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Howell shouldn't have been a 5th round pick.. Two years ago he was mocked in the 1st rd and some had 1st overall.

[url]https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/news/2022-nfl-mock-draft-sam-howell-first-qb-off-the-board-after-trade-jaguars-take-aidan-hutchinson-no-1/[/url]

Howell dropped because the league fell in love with Malik Willis and Ridder..

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1336863]Howell shouldn't have been a 5th round pick.. Two years ago he was mocked in the 1st rd and some had 1st overall.

[url]https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/news/2022-nfl-mock-draft-sam-howell-first-qb-off-the-board-after-trade-jaguars-take-aidan-hutchinson-no-1/[/url]

[B]Howell dropped because the league fell in love with Malik Willis and Ridder..[/B][/quote]

That, and the Tarheels offense lost a lot of starting players in Howell's last year - top 2 WRs, top 2 RBs and majority of the Oline.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1336863]Howell shouldn't have been a 5th round pick.. Two years ago he was mocked in the 1st rd and some had 1st overall.

[url]https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/news/2022-nfl-mock-draft-sam-howell-first-qb-off-the-board-after-trade-jaguars-take-aidan-hutchinson-no-1/[/url]

Howell dropped because the league fell in love with Malik Willis and Ridder..[/quote]

Go to the Sam Howell thread (last entry) and watch the 2 part video pre-draft evaluation by Kurt Warner.

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[QUOTE=skinsfaninok;1336863]Howell shouldn't have been a 5th round pick.. Two years ago he was mocked in the 1st rd and some had 1st overall.

[url]https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/news/2022-nfl-mock-draft-sam-howell-first-qb-off-the-board-after-trade-jaguars-take-aidan-hutchinson-no-1/[/url]

Howell dropped because the league fell in love with Malik Willis and Ridder..[/QUOTE]


No definitely not. People who think he is a project with a low ceiling did not watch him play in college. I would love for him and Brown to hit it off. Elevate each other’s play and have Terry, Dotson, Samuel, and Brown just giving opposing defenses nightmares.

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Bit disappointed. Games werent as exciting as last weekend.

Next weekend should be an amazing Sunday, 2 great games.

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[quote=rocnrik;1336854]How do you know after 1 game what a players ceiling is? … what is Brock Purdy ceiling he was last guy drafted( so that blows draft position =ceiling out of water) .. I would like to know who you think is the answer at QB ..what was Hurts ceiling his first year ? He was not good ..where would Brock Purdy be drafted now ?? Watching him play I would take him in first round .. He is allready better than a lot of First round can’t miss players .. In fact right now I would try and [B]Trade For Purdy[/B] ..[/quote]

Purdy was 19/29, 214 yards, 53.1 QBR

Purdy is a nice story. So was Nick Mullens and Taylor Heinike.

I feel like were the drunk guy at the end of the night with beer googles on re young unproven QBs.

Way over estimating and projecting.

[IMG]https://y.yarn.co/7ee281ad-ae91-4239-b72c-2bc92c37b50f_screenshot.jpg[/IMG]

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We can hash that crap out all summer. I'm just going to focus on laughing at the Cowboys today. 🤠

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[quote=Chico23231;1336862]Look at San Fran, investing in Purdy has them a game away. They didn’t quit looking after putting draft capital into Trey Lance.

You ALWAYS need to be looking.

I’d say let’s see what’s Howell got, but also keep your eyes on the draft[/quote]

You make a solid point with that example.

I'm not opposed to drafting a QB. I think they should. And I don't care where he's drafted, as long as their evaluation of the QB is commensurate with where he is drafted.

Can't go into the 2023 season with all our eggs in the Sam Howell basket.

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Wentz is gone and Heinicke is a FA. Since Turner is gone, he likely isn't coming back either.

So by default, we're adding 2 more QB's. I don't think anyone that wants Howell to be the starter in 2023 has said we shouldn't draft another QB somewhere in this draft.

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Howell has way more talent than TH does and Wentz. I think we add a Vet for sure but unless we can some how land Rodgers or TB12 I'm good with Howell starting

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[QUOTE=Chief X_Phackter;1336881]You make a solid point with that example.

I'm not opposed to drafting a QB. I think they should. And I don't care where he's drafted, as long as their evaluation of the QB is commensurate with where he is drafted.

Can't go into the 2023 season with all our eggs in the Sam Howell basket.[/QUOTE]


Do u consider the last pick in the draft an investment ? It is about as minor investment as you can make. We will go into 2023 with three quarterbacks on our final roster and Sam will have to beat them out in camp to start. That is obvious. The question remains what will we invest in those other guys? Some people on this board (not you im just piggybacking on your post) are acting like we can just bring in some big time arms to fight for the job. Where are they coming from? I wish that when people say things like “ sam didn’t earn anything and needs to have competition “ they would elaborate. Are you wanting to give up draft picks to take a guy like Levis? Are you wanting to give up a ton of cash and whatever else for Carr? Are you wanting to reach on say Richardson in the first? Right now Sam is our best option. So if you are not in favor of giving up picks or cash or both for someone specific than where is this strong competition coming from? Andy fucking Dalton?

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[QUOTE=sdskinsfan2001;1336882]Wentz is gone and Heinicke is a FA. Since Turner is gone, he likely isn't coming back either.

So by default, we're adding 2 more QB's. I don't think anyone that wants Howell to be the starter in 2023 has said we shouldn't draft another QB somewhere in this draft.[/QUOTE]


Right, people are acting like we want Sam to be the only quarterback on the roster. Lol. Again be specific when you wine about Sam being the projected starter. What are you giving up to make it hard for him to win the job? We are not getting Rodgers for league minimum lol. We are not getting Into the top 5 in the draft for a future 6th round pick. Everyone wants the best quarterback possible. Nobody is saying the only answer is Howell. But if you want someone like Rodgers or a top 5 pick u r paying through the nose for it. There is no stud coming in here to take Sams job that we won’t have to mortgage our future for.

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[quote=punch it in;1336886]Do u consider the last pick in the draft an investment ? It is about as minor investment as you can make. We will go into 2023 with three quarterbacks on our final roster and Sam will have to beat them out in camp to start. That is obvious. The question remains what will we invest in those other guys? Some people on this board (not you im just piggybacking on your post) are acting like we can just bring in some big time arms to fight for the job. Where are they coming from? I wish that when people say things like “ sam didn’t earn anything and needs to have competition “ they would elaborate. Are you wanting to give up draft picks to take a guy like Levis? Are you wanting to give up a ton of cash and whatever else for Carr? Are you wanting to reach on say Richardson in the first? Right now Sam is our best option. So if you are not in favor of giving up picks or cash or both for someone specific than where is this strong competition coming from? Andy fucking Dalton?[/quote]

Personally, I do consider the last pick in the draft an investment, albeit minor as you said. Had SF picked any other available player, they likely wouldn't be playing in the NFC Championship next weekend. They took the pick serious, and drafted Purdy. They could have taken a chance and tried to pick him up after the draft, but they decided to invest the draft pick on him to ensure they got him.

There are so many scenarios and what-ifs that we can go through from here until the start of the season. For me, I really don't care where they get the competition. I'd rather not go after Carr, Garappolo, etc., and I don't really want to trade up to get a QB, but if they decide to take one of these courses of action - fine. Hope it works.

My hope is Sam is the guy, but I would like them to bring in a 'Brisett type guy' who they also like, and have a competition. Hopefully Sam wins and the Veteran QB will be his competent backup. I would also like them to draft a QB to develop for the future. I would rather fill some other holes with the earlier draft picks and pick a QB later, but ultimately I don't care where the QB is drafted as long as the value makes sense.

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[quote=punch it in;1336886] I wish that when people say things like “ sam didn’t earn anything and needs to have competition “ they would elaborate. Are you wanting to give up draft picks to take a guy like Levis? Are you wanting to give up a ton of cash and whatever else for Carr? Are you wanting to reach on say Richardson in the first? Right now Sam is our best option. [/quote]

Yes to trading up if they believe a Levis is a franchise QB

Yes to giving Carr a 3yr/100M/50M guar contract

Yes to taking Richardson if he falls naturally to us and they have a 1st round grade

Yes to signing a Brissett, drafting another day 2-3 QB and seeing what happens

Yes to every possible QB option

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I like Howell but Im not pausing my search for the next Burrow/Allen/Mahomes bc we have a 5th round rookie QB on the roster

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[quote=SunnySide;1336889]Yes to trading up if they believe a Levis is a franchise QB

Yes to giving Carr a 3yr/100M/50M guar contract

Yes to taking Richardson if he falls naturally to us and they have a 1st round grade

Yes to signing a Brissett, drafting another day 2-3 QB and seeing what happens

Yes to every possible QB option

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I like Howell but Im not pausing my search for the next Burrow/Allen/Mahomes bc we have a 5th round rookie QB on the roster[/quote]

I don't want a lameduck HC/front office making any massive investments in either money or draft picks for anyone, a QB included. Where we are as a franchise, in terms of the strong chance of turnover and the possible sale of the team, Howell makes the most sense in 2023 in that regards too. Major decisions should be saved for 2024 imo.

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I don't think you can put the franchise on hold because it appears the team will be sold. As much as you may not like or agree with some of the decisions made by the current regime, they are still in charge. Personally, I hope they continue to try to make the best decisions they can to make this team better, and that they have the resources to do so. I'm sure I won't agree with all of their decision this offseason, but I want them to keep trying. If what they do ends up working - great. If not, I am sure the new ownership will deal with them appropriately.

As I have previously said, if RR and company can get this team rolling next year and they are competitive in the Division/NFC, then I don't think it's a foregone conclusion that they will be dismissed.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1336892]I don't think you can put the franchise on hold because it appears the team will be sold. As much as you may not like or agree with some of the decisions made by the current regime, they are still in charge. Personally, I hope they continue to try to make the best decisions they can to make this team better, and that they have the resources to do so. I'm sure I won't agree with all of their decision this offseason, but I want them to keep trying. If what they do ends up working - great. If not, I am sure the new ownership will deal with them appropriately.

As I have previously said, if RR and company can get this team rolling next year and they are competitive in the Division/NFC, then I don't think it's a foregone conclusion that they will be dismissed.[/quote]

We were a decent team last year, we can still make the playoffs by signing a few reasonably priced FA's and drafting well. I don't think we need to do anything extreme this year to move the team forwards. Franchise tag Payne, re-sign Holcomb, sign a few reasonably priced FA's, draft a LB, CB, and a couple OL, and we can be better next year.

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Man you guys want to talk about Sam Howell in every thread.. lol. Everyone always loves the unproven guy...

Anyway... Dak is garbage. He has to be feeling some heat today, as is McCarthy.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1336896]Man you guys want to talk about Sam Howell in every thread.. lol. Everyone always loves the unproven guy...

Anyway... Dak is garbage. He has to be feeling some heat today, as is McCarthy.[/quote]

You know things are bad for Dak when the Cowpukes social media team is burning you in public:

[url]https://twitter.com/dallascowboys/status/1617383701226176512[/url]

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[quote=Ruhskins;1336897]You know things are bad for Dak when the Cowpukes social media team is burning you in public:

[url]https://twitter.com/dallascowboys/status/1617383701226176512[/url][/quote]

Ouch.

Cowboys in a world of hurt with the roster. They got a long list of contributors who are UFA and another list of overpaid players. That Michael Gallup extension looking dumb now.

UFA:

LVE, Dalton Schultz, Cooper rush, tony pollard, McGovern, Barr, Hankins, Fowler, Anthony Brown, Carlos Watkins….

Shit I’ll take Cooper Rush as the free agent QB. I bet he gets a long look around the league.

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[QUOTE=SunnySide;1336889]Yes to trading up if they believe a Levis is a franchise QB

Yes to giving Carr a 3yr/100M/50M guar contract

Yes to taking Richardson if he falls naturally to us and they have a 1st round grade

Yes to signing a Brissett, drafting another day 2-3 QB and seeing what happens

Yes to every possible QB option

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I like Howell but Im not pausing my search for the next Burrow/Allen/Mahomes bc we have a 5th round rookie QB on the roster[/QUOTE]


Absolutely never stop searching and doing your due diligence. I can tell you Carr is definitely not the next burrow/allen/mahommes though lol. Signing Brissett and drafting a later round guy im all for. Richardson im probably passing on if there is, and there will be, a shutdown corner or stud tackle/G available.

Cant get desperate and start trading picks and paying for every possible option- thats how you wind up with Wentz……

Loving the turmoil in Dallas btw!

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[url]https://twitter.com/BobbyBeltTX/status/1617286919142141955?s=20&t=ZSSJXhhjrr0XmEBxOS5ytA[/url]

^^ Trent being a dick and kneeling next to the place holder .. probably saying dick head things

[url]https://twitter.com/BobbyBeltTX/status/1617287263242817536?s=20&t=ZSSJXhhjrr0XmEBxOS5ytA[/url]

^^ Trent elbowing some random Cowboys staffer or 9th string QB

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The guy Trent elbowed screwed up.

Their star left tackle wants to start something .. star player makes contact with you?

You push him back 10X as hard and make this a thing. Force the league to do something to Trent.

It should be some scrub or asst to the ass coaches dream that some opposing star player wants to be stupid pre game.

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[quote=SunnySide;1336902][url]https://twitter.com/BobbyBeltTX/status/1617286919142141955?s=20&t=ZSSJXhhjrr0XmEBxOS5ytA[/url]

^^ Trent being a dick and kneeling next to the place holder .. probably saying dick head things

[url]https://twitter.com/BobbyBeltTX/status/1617287263242817536?s=20&t=ZSSJXhhjrr0XmEBxOS5ytA[/url]

^^ Trent elbowing some random Cowboys staffer or 9th string QB

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The guy Trent elbowed screwed up.

Their star left tackle wants to start something .. star player makes contact with you?

You push him back 10X as hard and make this a thing. Force the league to do something to Trent.

It should be some scrub or asst to the ass coaches dream that some opposing star player wants to be stupid pre game.[/quote]

All this is true, he’s an idiot but damn it, I miss him

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[QUOTE=Chief X_Phackter;1336888]Personally, I do consider the last pick in the draft an investment, albeit minor as you said. Had SF picked any other available player, they likely wouldn't be playing in the NFC Championship next weekend. They took the pick serious, and drafted Purdy. They could have taken a chance and tried to pick him up after the draft, but they decided to invest the draft pick on him to ensure they got him.

There are so many scenarios and what-ifs that we can go through from here until the start of the season. For me, I really don't care where they get the competition. I'd rather not go after Carr, Garappolo, etc., and I don't really want to trade up to get a QB, but if they decide to take one of these courses of action - fine. Hope it works.

My hope is Sam is the guy, but I would like them to bring in a 'Brisett type guy' who they also like, and have a competition. Hopefully Sam wins and the Veteran QB will be his competent backup. I would also like them to draft a QB to develop for the future. I would rather fill some other holes with the earlier draft picks and pick a QB later, but ultimately I don't care where the QB is drafted as long as the value makes sense.[/QUOTE]


This is exactly how i feel. Well said. And Yeah you are right any pick is an investment at the end of the day.

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We talk about Sam because.. Wentz is gone , Taylor is probably leaving and that only leaves Sam and Jake Fromm … who are we supposed to be talking about ?
I hope we sign a vet QB that makes sense.. I hope we pick another QB in later draft rounds .. but I really really hope we revamp the Oline ..

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[QUOTE=rocnrik;1336905]We talk about Sam because.. Wentz is gone , Taylor is probably leaving and that only leaves Sam and Jake Fromm … who are we supposed to be talking about ?
I hope we sign a vet QB that makes sense.. I hope we pick another QB in later draft rounds .. but I really really hope we revamp the Oline ..[/QUOTE]


Jake Fromm is on our team?

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[url]https://www.cbssports.com/fantasy/football/news/commanders-jake-fromm-signs-futures-deal/[/url]

I think he still is on roster..

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[quote=GridIron26;1336864]That, and the Tarheels offense lost a lot of starting players in Howell's last year - top 2 WRs, top 2 RBs and majority of the Oline.[/quote]

I would say if he couldn't put up the same quality stats he did a year before with his top playmakers then he isn't worth a first round. You expect your first round QB to elevate the play of those around him not vice versa. That is not to say he can't be a quality QB, but there was enough of a flag that 32 teams passed him up 4 times.

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[QUOTE=rocnrik;1336908][url]https://www.cbssports.com/fantasy/football/news/commanders-jake-fromm-signs-futures-deal/[/url]

I think he still is on roster..[/QUOTE]


Small part of me recollects seeing him in preseason maybe? Either way Jake Fromm State Farm is the greatest nickname ever.

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[QUOTE=BaltimoreSkins;1336909]I would say if he couldn't put up the same quality stats he did a year before with his top playmakers then he isn't worth a first round. You expect your first round QB to elevate the play of those around him not vice versa. That is not to say he can't be a quality QB, but there was enough of a flag that 32 teams passed him up 4 times.[/QUOTE]


His numbers were just about the same though. Better in a couple areas, especially running.

Passed him up cus he is shorter than the average bear.

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1336909]I would say if he couldn't put up the same quality stats he did a year before with his top playmakers then he isn't worth a first round. [B]You expect your first round QB to elevate the play of those around him not vice versa[/B]. That is not to say he can't be a quality QB, but there was enough of a flag that 32 teams passed him up 4 times.[/quote]

You hear that soooo much. I believe it is partly true, but it's a little overused in my opinion. Look at all the "top" QBs. They all have top playmakers. They aren't where they are in the playoffs, etc. without those top playmakers. They wouldn't be where they are with JAGs...

Mahomes - Kelce
Burrows - Chase
Hurts - Brown
Allen - Diggs
Cousins - Jefferson
Carr - Adams
Tagovailoa - Hill/Waddle

Look at Aaron Rodgers for example. He's a pretty good QB right? He barely got by this year without Adams. Watson came on as the season progressed, but there was only so much he could do with the receivers he had this year.

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Jerry ought to get on the horn and see if he could get any takers for Dak. I would try and trade him. You just can't pay someone like that 40 million. You can get just about the same production from their back-up. I wouldn't even ask for that much compensation. Just take his contract and give me a 2nd rounder. Just get him off the books.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1336922]Jerry ought to get on the horn and see if he could get any takers for Dak. I would try and trade him. You just can't pay someone like that 40 million. You can get just about the same production from their back-up. I wouldn't even ask for that much compensation. Just take his contract and give me a 2nd rounder. Just get him off the books.[/quote]

They definitely should try to trade him. And every team should say no. That contract is an albatross. He simply isn't good enough to take up that much cap space, especially if you have to give up pick(s) to get him. Very similar to Carr in that regards, imo.

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[QUOTE=sdskinsfan2001;1336923]They definitely should try to trade him. And every team should say no. That contract is an albatross. He simply isn't good enough to take up that much cap space, especially if you have to give up pick(s) to get him. Very similar to Carr in that regards, imo.[/QUOTE]


Yeah thats a real hard pass. So happy it isn’t our problem. FU Dallas.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1336922]Jerry ought to get on the horn and see if he could get any takers for Dak. I would try and trade him. You just can't pay someone like that 40 million. You can get just about the same production from their back-up. I wouldn't even ask for that much compensation. Just take his contract and give me a 2nd rounder. Just get him off the books.[/quote]

That was my thought, trade Dak sign Lamar

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If people are willing to spend money on go no where veterans like Brissett or Dalton, what about Cooper Rush? Are we saying we don’t want to apply pressure to Howell?