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[quote=punch it in;1338947]Nothing we don’t know. Was a lot of chatter about it being a weak quarterback class and teams shied away from the position as a whole. Dude is mobile, smart, and has a cannon. An accurate cannon. I got big hopes.[/quote]

Put me in the category that is all for Howell starting, but I don't think it's gonna happen. For those of you old enough to remember, when Joe Gibbs came back to coach again...everyone was so excited for Patrick Ramsey because Joe was gonna get the best out of him...and he never sniffed the field again here because Joe brought in Brunell...so don't get too upset when EB brings in Andy Dalton or another vet to be the starter here because in a one year prove it year, I just don't think they're gonna put all their chips on Howell working out.

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[QUOTE=MTK;1338954]One of the most tired arguments in sports is when it comes to contracts. Fans seem to think players should be paid based on how we perceive their ranking solely based on their play, it just doesn't work that way. Next man up gets paid.[/QUOTE]


Fans don’t write checks teams do and teams certainly take performance into account. Alot of people on here who seem to think that Jones getting paid was the right move are the same people who didn’t want to give Cousins a long term deal.
Always easy when it’s not your team breaking the bank on a guy who isn’t Mahommes but wants that money to say ya gotta do it.

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[QUOTE=Redskins247;1338957]Put me in the category that is all for Howell starting, but I don't think it's gonna happen. For those of you old enough to remember, when Joe Gibbs came back to coach again...everyone was so excited for Patrick Ramsey because Joe was gonna get the best out of him...and he never sniffed the field again here because Joe brought in Brunell...so don't get too upset when EB brings in Andy Dalton or another vet to be the starter here because in a one year prove it year, I just don't think they're gonna put all their chips on Howell working out.[/QUOTE]


I think if a Dalton type comes here he will be a veteran backup and consultant, mentor for Howell. Not a starter. Not right away. Only if Howell shits the bed. If that happens we will have a high pick next year and we can draft someone early because a guy like Dalton or whoever comes in isn’t going to make a difference.

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[quote=punch it in;1338958]Fans don’t write checks teams do and teams certainly take performance into account. Alot of people on here who seem to think that Jones getting paid was the right move are the same people who didn’t want to give Cousins a long term deal.[/quote]

Teams are always going to want to avoid giving any players big pay days. Also, Cousins didn't want to be here, so people really need to stop using a comparison.

However, using Cousins as an example, a lot of Vikings fans are upset that he gets paid these crazy fully guaranteed deals, yet his ceiling seems to be one and done in the playoffs. But he provides steady QB play, if they move on from him, what's their plan?

The same with the Giants, yes it is risky to sign Jones, but what do they do if they move on from him? They have a late round pick in the draft, they are not getting a QB in the draft.

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[QUOTE=Ruhskins;1338960]Teams are always going to want to avoid giving any players big pay days. Also, Cousins didn't want to be here, so people really need to stop using a comparison.

However, using Cousins as an example, a lot of Vikings fans are upset that he gets paid these crazy fully guaranteed deals, yet his ceiling seems to be one and done in the playoffs. But he provides steady QB play, if they move on from him, what's their plan?

The same with the Giants, yes it is risky to sign Jones, but what do they do if they move on from him? They have a late round pick in the draft, they are not getting a QB in the draft.[/QUOTE]


Well we franchised Cousins twice instead of locking him up and I think he took that as they don’t want me. Quarterback purgatory happens when you lock a guy up for big money and he isn’t worth that money. Can happen if you don’t lock them up too. Like I said it is a tricky situation.
Alot of people are bringing up Dak in comparison to Jones, but Dak threw for 30 plus touchdowns twice before his deal. It was a no brainer that now seemingly isn’t panning out. I don’t blame Dallas though for locking him up when they did. Jones is just a completely different story. 15 td’s. Uggh.

Anyway we can all rejoice when Daniel Jones implodes due to the pressure on him now, Dak continues to turn the ball over at an alarming rate getting paid big money also, and Howell becomes the steal of the 2022 draft!

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[quote=punch it in;1338959]I think if a Dalton type comes here he will be a veteran backup and consultant, mentor for Howell. Not a starter. Not right away. Only if Howell shits the bed. If that happens we will have a high pick next year and we can draft someone early because a guy like Dalton or whoever comes in isn’t going to make a difference.[/quote]

I hope you're right.

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[quote=Redskins247;1338957]Put me in the category that is all for Howell starting, but I don't think it's gonna happen. For those of you old enough to remember, when Joe Gibbs came back to coach again...everyone was so excited for Patrick Ramsey because Joe was gonna get the best out of him...and he never sniffed the field again here because Joe brought in Brunell...so don't get too upset when EB brings in Andy Dalton or another vet to be the starter here because in a one year prove it year, I just don't think they're gonna put all their chips on Howell working out.[/quote]

Andy Dalton lol

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[quote=punch it in;1338959]I think if a Dalton type comes here he will be a veteran backup and consultant, mentor for Howell. Not a starter. Not right away. Only if Howell shits the bed. If that happens we will have a high pick next year and we can draft someone early because a guy like Dalton or whoever comes in isn’t going to make a difference.[/quote]

I agree. I just want EB to make the choice of who the vet is…and I’d still consider QB in the draft if we like him.

Options open on QB…my only exception would be an expensive one which folks have already expressed why that ain’t happening

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@AndrewBrandt
Daniel Jones contract.
Reported from sources (agents):
4 years, $160 million
Reality:
2 years, $82 million.
Still a very good deal. $12 million more than Derek Carr, who was a free agent.

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1338980]I agree. I just want EB to make the choice of who the vet is…and I’d still consider QB in the draft if we like him.

Options open on QB…my only exception would be an expensive one which folks have already expressed why that ain’t happening[/QUOTE]


If Young, Stroud, Richardson, or Levis falls to 16 what are you doing?

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[quote=punch it in;1338990]If Young, Stroud, Richardson, or Levis falls to 16 what are you doing?[/quote]

If any of the first 3 fall I’d take them. Levis, I’d pass.

Even later in the draft if we really like someone, take him.

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1338994]If any of the first 3 fall I’d take them. Levis, I’d pass.

Even later in the draft if we really like someone, take him.[/QUOTE]


Wonder what will happen with Heineke? I think we are going to wind up taking someone mid to late draft for sure if none of those guys fall.

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[quote=MTK;1338988]@AndrewBrandt
Daniel Jones contract.
Reported from sources (agents):
4 years, $160 million
Reality:
2 years, $82 million.
Still a very good deal. $12 million more than Derek Carr, who was a free agent.[/quote]


Doug Rush
@TheDougRush
Daniel Jones’ contract breakdown in full:
[B]
2023: $9.5M base salary. $19M cap hit.
2024: $35.5M base salary. $45.5M cap hit.
2025: $30M base salary. $39.5M cap hit.[/B]
2026: $46M base salary, $56.5M cap hit.

If released before 2025: the Giants can save $21M with an $18.5M cap hit.

If released before 2026: the Giants can save $47.5M with a $9M cap hit.

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[quote=punch it in;1338990]If Young, Stroud, Richardson, or Levis falls to 16 what are you doing?[/quote]
Young and Stroud will be gone, especially if someone like Indy trade up with Chicago. In that case I doubt any of the 4 will be available. There are 5 or 6 teams above us likely to take a QB. Even so, do we want either of the other 2 if they're still on the board? Richardson is more likely to be another Haskins than a Mahomes at this stage, and Levis isn't ready either is he? We have one unproven rookie, do we start the season with 2? And assuming we pick up a vet (even if intended as a backup) what dynamic does that create in the QB room if Howell and Richardson both look raw? Unless Howell shits the bed, and gets cut, we could be forced into carrying 3 QBs with no clear cut starter, and each looking to pounce if the starter fails. If we draft a QB it I'd say it has to be a viable day 1 starter, and that guy won't be there at #16.

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Given the slim pickings at QB last year, I think teams will be extra aggressive going after them in this draft. The top 10 is going to be a QB feeding frenzy. Raw or not I like the upside with Richardson.

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[quote=MTK;1339001]Given the slim pickings at QB last year, I think teams will be extra aggressive going after them in this draft. The top 10 is going to be a QB feeding frenzy. [B]Raw or not I like the upside with Richardson.[/B][/quote]

I do too. He's the perfect QB, in my opinion, to draft early and stash/develop at the next level for a year (or maybe less).

Unfortunately I don't think we are in the position to do that this year...

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[QUOTE=Chief X_Phackter;1339002]I do too. He's the perfect QB, in my opinion, to draft early and stash/develop at the next level for a year (or maybe less).

Unfortunately I don't think we are in the position to do that this year...[/QUOTE]


We aren’t unless we snatch an G or T in free agency. Than you draft another oline in second round. I would give up the corner whether it be in the draft/free agency because I think our dbacks are enough. Go after an ILB and Oline. Chase has a big ole bounce back year and the D is solid. Oline is fixed. Bingo Superbowl (just did a shot n a beer feelin rather optimistic).
If Sam pans out and we got T-Rich in the wings it’s a problem I can deal with.

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Reality check...

Final week of season... 9 of 27 33.3%
2 weeks previous... 11 of 23 47.8%
2 weeks previous... 18 of 37 48.6%

That is Anthony Richardson.

No thank you under any circumstance. :saywhat:

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[quote=davy;1339021]Reality check...

Final week of season... 9 of 27 33.3%
2 weeks previous... 11 of 23 47.8%
2 weeks previous... 18 of 37 48.6%

That is Anthony Richardson.

No thank you under any circumstance. :saywhat:[/quote]

Anthony Richardson:

Final season 2022 53.8%
Previous year (2021) 59.4%
Previous year (2020) only threw two passes


Here's Josh Allen (who he is most compared to):

Final season 2017 - 152 of 270 56.3%
Previous year (2016) 56%
Previous year (2015) only two games


He won't be drafted for his college accomplishments, as much as he will be drafted for his immense potential.

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[url]https://twitter.com/adamschefter/status/1634320435838894081?s=46&t=5TX7fea8Wp4Gow4eRjPyzg[/url]

Compensation update, per sources: Bears trading No. 1 overall pick to Carolina for:

🏈pick No. 9
🏈pick No. 61
🏈a first-round pick in 2024
🏈a second-round pick in 2025
🏈WR DJ Moore

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[quote=Are Jay;1339107][url]https://twitter.com/adamschefter/status/1634320435838894081?s=46&t=5TX7fea8Wp4Gow4eRjPyzg[/url]

Compensation update, per sources: Bears trading No. 1 overall pick to Carolina for:

🏈pick No. 9
🏈pick No. 61
🏈a first-round pick in 2024
🏈a second-round pick in 2025
🏈WR DJ Moore[/quote]
For this QB class that was a lot to give up

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[quote=Are Jay;1339107][url]https://twitter.com/adamschefter/status/1634320435838894081?s=46&t=5TX7fea8Wp4Gow4eRjPyzg[/url]

Compensation update, per sources: Bears trading No. 1 overall pick to Carolina for:

🏈pick No. 9
🏈pick No. 61
🏈a first-round pick in 2024
🏈a second-round pick in 2025
🏈WR DJ Moore[/quote]

Oof...

Carolina must feel really strongly about one of these QBs. Wonder who it is.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1339110]Oof...

Carolina must feel really strongly about one of these QBs. Wonder who it is.[/quote]

Gotta be Bryce young

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[quote=Chico23231;1339111]Gotta be Bryce young[/quote]

probably stroud?

either way, good on Bears I guess. If they miss the next aaron rogers they'll be kicking themselves for 12 years, but that's +4 quality pickups to go down 8 spots.

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Well done Chicago, presuming they get value from those picks. Jury will of course be out on Carolina until whoever they draft (my money would be on Young) proves themselves (or otherwise), but right now it seems too one sided a deal. And so they draft a QB; who's he going to throw to? They gave up picks and Moore in the deal so how do they provide that QB with targets?

Trying to remember the last true blockbuster trade that worked out great for one side, let alone both. 🤔

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Leaves Colts in an interesting position, what if another team jumps up to the Cardinals pick just before the draft to get QB #3......

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Puts pressure on LV to trade up from 7 spot too. Atlanta and TB need a QB and have capital to move up to 3. Washington does too but I hope they don’t

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Multiple NFL teams predict that no one will make an offer for #Ravens QB Lamar Jackson, according to
@JFowlerESPN


Fowler says he talked to a number of NFL teams and none of them can see a team in the league making an offer for Lamar.

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Bears blow it again.

Typical.

Justin Fields is not the answer, but Brice Young could've been.

I'm assuming they could've gotten the #4 pick for Fields (although that's pure conjecture). If so (or even just #9), that's what I would've done.

Get 2 years off paying the QB too.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1339128]Multiple NFL teams predict that no one will make an offer for #Ravens QB Lamar Jackson, according to
@JFowlerESPN


Fowler says he talked to a number of NFL teams and none of them can see a team in the league making an offer for Lamar.[/quote]

Wow! In a league where QB play has fallen imo, this is really strange.

I told my girl last night that a surprise team like San Fran, New England, Houston would emerge this weekend and make a serious offer.

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Nobody can talk to Lamar until Wednesday and as he doesn't have an agent they can't even start setting the ground for an offer until then. Anything other than a fully guaranteed deal will be matched by Baltimore so I genuinely don't think anyone is interested.

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We should make an offer. Just not an insane one like other guys are getting. We'll trade our 3rd round comp. pick and sign him to 100 million guaranteed over 3 years. Crazily, that isn't even market value based on what other QBs are getting. But it's still a shit ton of money and all guaranteed.

If he doesn't pan out, we franchise tag Howell and then try to workout a long term deal contract with him.

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[quote=Chico23231;1339134]Wow! In a league where QB play has fallen imo, this is really strange.

I told my girl last night that a surprise team like San Fran, New England, Houston would emerge this weekend and make a serious offer.[/quote]

I think Las Vegas will end up being the team. There are 4 QBs expected to go early. Panthers clearly going for one. Texans will, Colts will. My guess is all 4 will be gone by the time LV picks unless they can trade up for Cardinals 3rd to grab a QB.

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I don't think DS is going to want to spend $100mill the month before walking out the door.

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1339143]I think Las Vegas will end up being the team. There are 4 QBs expected to go early. Panthers clearly going for one. Texans will, Colts will. My guess is all 4 will be gone by the time LV picks unless they can trade up for Cardinals 3rd to grab a QB.[/quote]

AR going to the Raiders

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[quote=That Guy;1339149]I don't think DS is going to want to spend $100mill the month before walking out the door.[/quote]

Fair. We're basically in limbo. So even that probably isn't likely.

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[quote=Chico23231;1339150]AR going to the Raiders[/quote]

I thought the Jets were working a trade? If he ends up in LV then I would imagine the Jets will make a play for Lamar.

Unless you're talking about Richardson. If so I think someone will trade up to nab him before the 7th pick

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[quote=Chico23231;1339150]AR going to the Raiders[/quote]

LOL, chico wrong again!!!!!!!

[B][SIZE="7"]Deal between Packers-Jets for Aaron Rodgers 'essentially done'[/SIZE][/B]

[url]https://sports.yahoo.com/deal-between-packers-jets-aaron-160009471.html[/url]



If Packers president Mark Murphy's words on Friday night didn't fully convince you that Aaron Rodgers' career with the Packers is basically over, a new, surfacing report should.


A trade deal between the Packers and New York Jets is "essentially done" and the sides have worked out what needs to be in place to make Rodgers a Jet, according to reports.

The only box left to check is Rodgers' approval of the trade.

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Rodgers has become such a diva. Good luck with that NYJ.


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[quote=calia;1339171]Rodgers has become such a diva. Good luck with that NYJ.


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This whole will he/wont he charade the last couple of years has totally been about him being the centre of attention, that free agency cannot start until Aaron makes his pronouncement. It doesn't take this long to make up your mind. I don't think anyone but the media cares, it is pretty sad really.