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[QUOTE=EdmundDorf;1343935]I think they are asking Martin to do a lot more, the same stupid way they did with Jamin Davis, dumping 3 positions worth of information at once and seeing how much he can absorb. Forbes is only being asked to be an outside corner. And for some guys it takes a little longer to get used to NFL speed. His film doesn't show him being afraid to tackle. He is the #7 or #8 DB right now so it is not like they desperately need him to be a day 1 starter.[/QUOTE]


No they definitely do not need him to start day one. Thank God. It just irks me because we need an interior lineman desperately to be a day one starter and they were on the board, but we drafted a depth guy at d back.

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[quote=FrenchSkin;1343939]Agreed. Overreacting to pre-season works both ways: don't panic when we look bad, but don't pop the champagne just yet when some of our starters on D got embarrassed by a bunch of 2s and 3s, and when all our 1s on O couldn't get it in the endzone against their 2nd and 3rd stringers...

Watched the 1st quarter so far, Sam looked pretty good, minus that really bad sack he took on the first drive. But yeah, he looks confortable, throws a good ball, seems to have a nice connection with both Terry and Cole Turner, makes good decisions. [I]Promising for sure[/I].

Oline is worrying, they looked decent only because they were facing back ups. Sam Cosmi was man handled on the first play of the game. My worry is if we're [I]not able to establish a run game, we'll end up asking too much from Howell[/I], which could cost us against good defense.

It's only the pre-season but I didn't like seeing both Forbes and Jartavius Martin missing tackles on the first drive (Forbes made up for on the next drive).[/quote]

I'm not sure how you can come away from that game with the idea that the O-line is "worrying". They dominated. Does that mean they will dominate against the Ravens #1s, or anyone else's #1s? Maybe... Maybe not... But the fact that they did dominate, is encouraging.

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[quote=punch it in;1343945]No they definitely do not need him to start day one. Thank God. It just irks me because we need an interior lineman desperately to be a day one starter and they were on the board, but we drafted a depth guy at d back.[/quote]

Yes I totally agree with you on that. Arguably 2 years in a row Ron has done that. Heard somewhere that they tried to trade up to get Avila but didn't want to pay the price being asked to move into the top 5 of the second round. If true, given that they spent the 3rd and 4th picks on linemen who likely wont see the field this year or next, feels like they weren't agressive enough. I have heard Mayhew regretting not being aggressive enough in the draft, but that is always in hindsight. Wonder if Ron held him back from that. I also think Ron is way too dedicated to position flex which makes me wonder if he passes up on much better players who don't have flex in favour of projects.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1343949]I'm not sure how you can come away from that game with the idea that the O-line is "worrying". They dominated. Does that mean they will dominate against the Ravens #1s, or anyone else's #1s? Maybe... Maybe not... But the fact that they did dominate, is encouraging.[/quote]

I think the interior is better than some give it credit for, but the tackles still worry me a bit. They are not much better than Lucas, if at all, which begs the question of their offseason strategy. Still bugs me that we could have taken Darrisaw when we drafted Jamin Davis. To my mind OTs are far more valuable than LBs in the first round

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I'm definitely struggling with this myself, but we can't hold it against Martin for us picking him over a lineman. Not like he broke into the war-room and demanded we draft him.

We chose to pick him so he deserves to get a reasonable timeframe to be judged by. 2 pre-season games isn't reasonable.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1343949]I'm not sure how you can come away from that game with the idea that the O-line is "worrying". They dominated. Does that mean they will dominate against the Ravens #1s, or anyone else's #1s? Maybe... Maybe not... But the fact that they did dominate, is encouraging.[/quote]

I have now watched the full game and I wouldn't call what I saw from the Oline "domination".
Pre-season is for individual evaluation, but to get a sense of where a squad is at, I tend to focus on the first drive, when they're more likely to face NFL-ish opposition... And that first drive didn't look good for them. I liked that Sam overcame the sack and all, but against subpar opposition, I don't think the Oline looked great.
[I]From the second drive only[/I], once Baltimore only had 2s and 3s in there, they managed to give some time to Sam on most snaps.
Plus there's wasn't any clear lanes in the running game, just watch our first two snaps... we were worried about our left side, but our right side seems to be struggling the most, Wylie hasn't looked great so far and I'm not sure Sam Cosmi is better suited to play guard.

If you wanna say that "worrying" is too strong of a word, that's fine, but with our offensive weapons, and how well Sam seems to be developing, I don't like the idea of potentially not having a reliable run game and not being able to handle NFL level pass rush.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1343953]I'm definitely struggling with this myself, but we can't hold it against Martin for us picking him over a lineman. Not like he broke into the war-room and demanded we draft him.

We chose to pick him so he deserves to get a reasonable timeframe to be judged by. 2 pre-season games isn't reasonable.[/quote]

100% great post

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To be clear overall I'm very encouraged by what I'm seeing, obviously Sam Howell is the big positive in term of what we're learning from these pre-season games, I think you also can credit EB for 2 successful 2min drives, our receiving corps is looking good, and you can hope our defense will be good.
Still think concerns about the Oline are fair.

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What got me about Martin was he looked like he just didn't belong out there. He whiffed on a couple of routine tackles. If you're a safety and a high pick you at least gotta blow shit up.

That is what I like about Forrest and Curl. They're going to smack the shit out of you. Martin didn't look like he was bout that action. Then he got beat for a td but Johnson threw it late. Not sure what they saw in that guy for a 2nd rounder when you needed a o-linemen in the worst way.

And you gotta move on from Wildgoose.

We may have found our TE in Turner.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1343928]Forbes is a tough SOB. He throws his body around with wreckless abandonment. That 3rd and 1 stop was super-impressive.[/quote]

For a guy that skinny that is willing to put his body in there tells me one thing. He's got heart.

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I think everyone can chill with the weight thing now with Forbes. He can play.

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[quote=FrenchSkin;1343954]I have now watched the full game and I wouldn't call what I saw from the Oline "domination".
Pre-season is for individual evaluation, but to get a sense of where a squad is at, I tend to focus on the first drive, when they're more likely to face NFL-ish opposition... And that first drive didn't look good for them. I liked that Sam overcame the sack and all, but against subpar opposition, I don't think the Oline looked great.
[I]From the second drive only[/I], once Baltimore only had 2s and 3s in there, they managed to give some time to Sam on most snaps.
Plus there's wasn't any clear lanes in the running game, just watch our first two snaps... we were worried about our left side, but our right side seems to be struggling the most, Wylie hasn't looked great so far and I'm not sure Sam Cosmi is better suited to play guard.

If you wanna say that "worrying" is too strong of a word, that's fine, but with our offensive weapons, and how well Sam seems to be developing, I don't like the idea of potentially not having a reliable run game and not being able to handle NFL level pass rush.[/quote]

I wouldn't be surprised if Wylie and Cosmi switched positions at some point during the season.

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[quote=FrenchSkin;1343954]I have now watched the full game and I wouldn't call what I saw from the Oline "domination".
Pre-season is for individual evaluation, but to get a sense of where a squad is at, I tend to focus on the first drive, when they're more likely to face NFL-ish opposition... And that first drive didn't look good for them. I liked that Sam overcame the sack and all, but against subpar opposition, I don't think the Oline looked great.
[I]From the second drive only[/I], once Baltimore only had 2s and 3s in there, they managed to give some time to Sam on most snaps.
Plus there's wasn't any clear lanes in the running game, just watch our first two snaps... we were worried about our left side, but our right side seems to be struggling the most, Wylie hasn't looked great so far and I'm not sure Sam Cosmi is better suited to play guard.

If you wanna say that "worrying" is too strong of a word, that's fine, but with our offensive weapons, and how well Sam seems to be developing, I don't like the idea of potentially not having a reliable run game and not being able to handle NFL level pass rush.[/quote]

Maybe "worrying" and "domination" are both too strong. They definitely gave him a clean pocket (by NFL standards) for the majority of his drop backs. I'm just saying it was encouraging. If Sam was running for his life - like TH was most of last year, then I'd be less encouraged, but he wasn't.

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[quote=MTK;1343967]I think everyone can chill with the weight thing now with Forbes. He can play.[/quote]

Loved that hit. Energizing play for the defense. I gotta think the starting DL guys standing on the sidelines loved seeing the smallest guy on the field come up and deliver a hit.

Everything that makes Forbes good showed up on that play. He's small, but because he reads and recognizes so quickly he broke on that play before the RT could get to him and kick him out. So he arrived at the spot ahead of schedule, reducing his chance of getting smashed and injured, and he gave it everything he had on the hit and it turned out to be enough. 4th down. He makes up for his size by studying, reading, reacting, and getting to the spot first.

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[quote=EdmundDorf;1343950]I also think Ron is way too dedicated to position flex which makes me wonder if he passes up on much better players who don't have flex in favour of projects.[/quote]

This. It seems to be his primary draft metric. Good to have, but I'd prefer to have mostly guys who are good at a specific position. Maybe that's naive...

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[QUOTE=Schneed10;1343972]Loved that hit. Energizing play for the defense. I gotta think the starting DL guys standing on the sidelines loved seeing the smallest guy on the field come up and deliver a hit.

Everything that makes Forbes good showed up on that play. He's small, but because he reads and recognizes so quickly he broke on that play before the RT could get to him and kick him out. So he arrived at the spot ahead of schedule, reducing his chance of getting smashed and injured, and he gave it everything he had on the hit and it turned out to be enough. 4th down. He makes up for his size by studying, reading, reacting, and getting to the spot first.[/QUOTE]


The little dude likes contact, period. Love the attitude and the heart. Watching him cover Devonta Smith is going to be like two stick figures fight. Will be fun.


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[quote=Hoglips;1343974]This. It seems to be his primary draft metric. Good to have, but I'd prefer to have mostly guys who are good at a specific position. Maybe that's naive...[/quote]

I think it is smart to get players that in a pinch they can switch positions on the o-line. Most of the players are going to be primarily in one position, but I think it is smart to have players that can help you in an emergency.

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ravens (mainly NOT their starters) got 5 qb hits and 3 sacks vs washington which got... 1 qb hit in return.

Definitely not domination on the OL. I think we are going to have problems there and it's just going to be what it's going to be. howell isn't a statue, so they can work around it a bit.

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Basically 4 new starters on the O-line along with a completely new offense. I expect that it will take some time before they gel together. Will be some growing pains for sure, but I was encouraged by what I saw against BAL. Something to build on...

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[QUOTE=Chief X_Phackter;1344083]Basically 4 new starters on the O-line along with a completely new offense. I expect that it will take some time before they gel together. Will be some growing pains for sure, but I was encouraged by what I saw against BAL. Something to build on...[/QUOTE]


5 qb hits and three sacks isn’t exactly encouraging. The o line is going to be an issue. Like that guy said though Sam at least can use his legs. Going to have to until we get some new guys up front. I still think we will be better than last year everywhere else. Defense. Run game. Play calling. Quarterback. Secondary. WR’s. TE. But O line is an issue Chief. We got one more year of building left than it’s on.

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A lot of film review said the run blocking has been the weakest of the o line performance, too.

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[quote=punch it in;1344086][B]5 qb hits and three sacks isn’t exactly encouraging.[/B] The o line is going to be an issue. Like that guy said though Sam at least can use his legs. Going to have to until we get some new guys up front. I still think we will be better than last year everywhere else. Defense. Run game. Play calling. Quarterback. Secondary. WR’s. TE. But O line is an issue Chief. We got one more year of building left than it’s on.[/quote]

How many of those happened against the O-line we are expecting to start the season?

The two sacks Howell took were squarely on him for holding the ball too long.

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[quote=Meks;1344087]A lot of film review said the run blocking has been the weakest of the o line performance, too.[/quote]

I believe that. The run blocking didn't look nearly as good as the pass blocking in the Ravens game.

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Damn, I gotta problem. Watching meaningless 3rd preseason game

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Fromm and Brissett are both upgrades over wentz and Taylor ..this team is so much better than last year .. I know it’s a nothing burger game but a dummy like me can see the difference!!

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[quote=rocnrik;1344092]Fromm and Brissett are both upgrades over wentz and Taylor ..this team is so much better than last year .. I know it’s a nothing burger game but a dummy like me can see the difference!![/quote]

Fromm looks better than Brissett

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EB offense seems like a perfect fit for Fromm.

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I’m so confused, why was there not a Bengals game thread, and just tacked on to the end of the ravens thread??. Also I guess I’ve lost my freaking mind, since when has their only been three preseason games? So we have a open weekend before the regular season starts with no games? WTF

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[quote=htownskinfan;1344097]I’m so confused, why was there not a Bengals game thread, and just tacked on to the end of the ravens thread??. Also I guess I’ve lost my freaking mind, since when has their only been three preseason games? So we have a open weekend before the regular season starts with no games? WTF[/quote]

Remember? Took away a preseason game and added a regular season game.

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Did Cole Turner play during the game?

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[quote=GridIron26;1344101]Did Cole Turner play during the game?[/quote]

Yes,,early on

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[quote=EdmundDorf;1343951]I think the interior is better than some give it credit for, but the tackles still worry me a bit. They are not much better than Lucas, if at all, which begs the question of their offseason strategy. [B]Still bugs me that we could have taken Darrisaw when we drafted Jamin Davis.[/B] To my mind OTs are far more valuable than LBs in the first round[/quote]

Me too! I remember wanting Darrisaw as our pick. He was better than Davis to begin with [U]and[/U] he plays OT. This was a no brainer in my mind.

I'm high on Mason Brooks right now. He looks to me like he can become a good NFL lineman. Instead of giving other players what feels to me like eleventy-five years to show their mettle, Ron needs to move on from them and give a new prospect a chance to succeed. It's called having a sense of urgency.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1344108]Me too! I remember wanting Darrisaw as our pick. He was better than Davis to begin with [U]and[/U] he plays OT. This was a no brainer in my mind.

I'm high on Mason Brooks right now. He looks to me like he can become a good NFL lineman. Instead of giving other players what feels to me like eleventy-five years to show their mettle, Ron needs to move on from them and give a new prospect a chance to succeed. It's called having a sense of urgency.[/quote]

Lol @ ron and urgency.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1344108]Me too! I remember wanting Darrisaw as our pick. He was better than Davis to begin with [U]and[/U] he plays OT. This was a no brainer in my mind.

I'm high on Mason Brooks right now. He looks to me like he can become a good NFL lineman. Instead of giving other players what feels to me like eleventy-five years to show their mettle, Ron needs to move on from them and give a new prospect a chance to succeed. It's called having a sense of urgency.[/quote]

I say cut Lucas, keep Brooks.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1344114]I say cut Lucas, keep Brooks.[/quote]

Yoy are insane, there are about 5 guys I would cut before Lucas, Wiley might be one of them. I like Brooks, he is a great story and character, and would be pleased if they felt he was good enough to allow them to cut Larsen, Daniels, Scott or a extra defensive player. Just think he needs some time on the practice squad.

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[quote=EdmundDorf;1344117]Yoy are insane, there are about 5 guys I would cut before Lucas, Wiley might be one of them. I like Brooks, he is a great story and character, and would be pleased if they felt he was good enough to allow them to cut Larsen, Daniels, Scott or a extra defensive player. Just think he needs some time on the practice squad.[/quote]

Brooks is a T, Larsen C/G have to get rid of a T to keep a T.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1344118]Brooks is a T, Larsen C/G have to get rid of a T to keep a T.[/quote]

Brooks is a G last time I checked, even so Trent Scott and Braden Daniels would be the first OT in line to be cut, not Lucas

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[quote=EdmundDorf;1344119]Brooks is a G last time I checked, even so Trent Scott and Braden Daniels would be the first OT in line to be cut, not Lucas[/quote]

I thought they wanted him to be a T?

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Admittedly it is hard to tell, aside from the C they list all OL bar 2 on the team website as T , OL or OT ( yes they have some as T and a separate group as OT). He probably has the ability to play Tackle, which of course they love flex, but I thought he came out primarily as a guard.

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Brooks is a keeper!