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[quote=MTK;1344522]Well they did try him at right tackle early on, but he struggled and Morgan Moses was coming into his own at that time so they quickly moved BS inside. If we didn’t have Moses who knows, maybe BS would have been a so so RT instead of a pro bowl guard.

[url]https://syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/2544916-brandon-scherffs-position-change-should-worry-washington-redskins.amp.html[/url][/quote]

Man I wish we would kept Moses

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1344518]Brandon Scherff was drafted to play guard. Some "experts" may have written otherwise but he came here to play guard.

This idea that Out of Date Ron has that NFL players should be able to play multiple positions is long gone in the NFL. Players are now drafted to play one position which is hard enough to learn in itself in today's cerebral NFL. By moving rookies around in practice Ron does more to confuse them and retard their development than anything else.[/quote]

BS started his career as a right tackle, then got moved to guard because it better suited his skill set. Same thing is occurring with Sam Cosmi. If he turns out to be as big a failure as BS, I think we'll all take that.

Since it's not a matter of if, but when someone will get injured in the NFL (or football at any level), I'm not sure I completely understand why position flexibility is a bad thing.

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1344523]Man I wish we would kept Moses[/QUOTE]


King of the holding penalties at the wrong times. He stalled so many crucial drives with holds. But other than that he was good.

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[QUOTE=Chief X_Phackter;1344525]BS started his career as a right tackle, then got moved to guard because it better suited his skill set. Same thing is occurring with Sam Cosmi. If he turns out to be as big a failure as BS, I think we'll all take that.

Since it's not a matter of if, but when someone will get injured in the NFL (or football at any level), I'm not sure I completely understand why position flexibility is a bad thing.[/QUOTE]


Yes. He didn’t get moved to G because he wasn’t a good OT. He got moved specifically because he handled the bull rush well. I don’t think BS wouldn’t have had success as a OT but that his skill set was so perfectly suited to be an all pro G. So he wasn’t a failed tackle. That being said i agree with you , a failed T can be an awesome G.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1344525]BS started his career as a right tackle, then got moved to guard because it better suited his skill set. Same thing is occurring with Sam Cosmi. If he turns out to be as big a failure as BS, I think we'll all take that.

Since it's not a matter of if, but when someone will get injured in the NFL (or football at any level), I'm not sure I completely understand why position flexibility is a bad thing.[/quote]

Well, I didn't remember that. Sorry. Must be because I'm old. They say the memory is the second thing to go.

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Both Terry and Chase were limited in practice. No Logan Thomas on the injury report! That’s great news.

Looks like everything is trending the right way for us. Just need the doctors to ok CY

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[quote=Chico23231;1344553]Both Terry and Chase were limited in practice. No Logan Thomas on the injury report! That’s great news.

Looks like everything is trending the right way for us. Just need the doctors to ok CY[/quote]

CY is about useful too me as a wool jacket in today's DC weather

CY has a lot of proven to do before i am sad he is sitting out a game.

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[quote=mredskins;1344554]CY is about useful too me as a wool jacket in today's DC weather

CY has a lot of proven to do before i am sad he is sitting out a game.[/quote]

Yeah man as of right now he's been a bust.. He won DROY based off his name and hype. He really didn't have that huge of a yr and since then he fell off big time

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[QUOTE=mredskins;1344554]CY is about useful too me as a wool jacket in today's DC weather

CY has a lot of proven to do before i am sad he is sitting out a game.[/QUOTE]


Exactly how I feel. Terry sitting out scares me. Chase sitting out just seems normal. Even if he plays I expect very little.

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They'll play, time to change your views of this team.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1344549]Well, I didn't remember that. Sorry. Must be because I'm old. They say the memory is the second thing to go.[/quote]

I'm right there with you! :food-smil

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[quote=MTK;1344492]Zero chance Harris fires Ron during the season.[/quote]

I agree. No matter what happens Ron is here for 17 more games.

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[QUOTE=SFREDSKIN;1344558]They'll play, time to change your views of this team.[/QUOTE]


What is my view? Chase has been an absolute bust so far. Im used to him not playing. SF I know Snyder is gone, but that does not instantly make us a power house. Let’s just beat the Cardinals.

Id prefer we beat them by like 14 and it is never really a contest. If we struggle in anyway with what is widely regarded as the worst team in football, even before they made Josh effin Dobbs their quarterback, well than it might be a pretty long season.

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[quote=punch it in;1344561]What is my view? Chase has been an absolute bust so far. Im used to him not playing. SF I know Snyder is gone, but that does not instantly make us a power house. Let’s just beat the Cardinals.

Id prefer we beat them by like 14 and it is never really a contest. If we struggle in anyway with what is widely regarded as the worst team in football, even before they made Josh effin Dobbs their quarterback, well than it might be a pretty long season.[/quote]

I really have confidence in this team even with the tough schedule, I think Young will put to rest all the negativity towards him with a great year.

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[QUOTE=SFREDSKIN;1344564]I really have confidence in this team even with the tough schedule, I think Young will put to rest all the negativity towards him with a great year.[/QUOTE]


I have more confidence in the team than I do in Young ever producing like a number two overall pick. Hope he does, obviously.

I have very little faith in Rivera. Don’t really want to hear about Snyder hanging over his head any more because I do not see how Snyder makes his clock management, or halftime adjustments, or inability to have the team ready at kickoff any worse. Plus there is a reason he got fired in Carolina.

Anyway, I think we are competitive this year against everyone we play. May not equal wins but nobody should take us lightly. Still think next year is the year though.

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[quote=punch it in;1344567]I have more confidence in the team than I do in Young ever producing like a number two overall pick. Hope he does, obviously.

I have very little faith in Rivera. Don’t really want to hear about Snyder hanging over his head any more because I do not see how Snyder makes his clock management, or halftime adjustments, or inability to have the team ready at kickoff any worse. Plus there is a reason he got fired in Carolina.

Anyway, I think we are competitive this year against everyone we play. May not equal wins but nobody should take us lightly. Still think next year is the year though.[/quote]

I think EB will be a big factor on the O’s production, plus his presence must make Ron nervous not to screw up.

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[QUOTE=SFREDSKIN;1344575]I think EB will be a big factor on the O’s production, plus his presence must make Ron nervous not to screw up.[/QUOTE]


Rons gonna Ron from time to time. Usually in between naps, or when he remembers there is a game going on.

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[quote=punch it in;1344567]I have more confidence in the team than I do in Young ever producing like a number two overall pick. Hope he does, obviously.

[B]I have very little faith in Rivera. Don’t really want to hear about Snyder hanging over his head any more because I do not see how Snyder makes his clock management, or halftime adjustments, or inability to have the team ready at kickoff any worse. Plus there is a reason he got fired in Carolina. [/B]

Anyway, I think we are competitive this year against everyone we play. May not equal wins but nobody should take us lightly. Still think next year is the year though.[/quote]

I think you are simplifying too much all the shit that went down with this team and underestimating the work that Ron must have done to keep this team focused on football with the shitstorm happening with lawsuit, sexual harassment allegations, the owner gutting the team for money, etc., etc.

Ron has his flaws, but I think fans should give him an opportunity to (for once) work in a normal environment before rendering final judgement on him. And I feel that he's taking the steps to improve in those areas you mentioned such as bringing in an OC like Bienemy to have the team better prepared and a coach that can make adjustments.

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Ron isn’t one of the better coaches in the league Ruh. Snyder or no Snyder.
He isn’t a good one period.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1344556]Yeah man as of right now he's been a bust.. He won DROY based off his name and hype. He really didn't have that huge of a yr and since then he fell off big time[/quote]

While it's an easy term to throw around, I don't think you can call him a bust. He was DROY, and he didn't win it because of his name or hype. He had almost double the sacks than the next rookie with 7.5. He had 4 forced fumbles, 3 fumble recoveries, and he was the only DE to score a TD that year. According to PFF, from Week 12 on he earned a 90.6 PFF grade that trailed only Khalil Mack for the best at the position.

Nope, he hasn't been the same since that 2020 season. He had a "Sophmore slump" kinda season going on in 2021, and tore his ACL in week 9. He only played in 3 games last year. Injuries are the sole reason he didn't get the 5th year option.

I personally like the idea of having Chase in a prove - it year. I think he will be a beast this year. He just needs to stay healthy. If he does, we're in for a show I think. If he doesn't, that's just unfortunate for him, the team, [I]and[/I] us.

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Rivera has been a head coach for 12 seasons. His teams have won more games than they lost 3 times, 1 season was even at 8 - 8, eight seasons had a record of 50/50 + or -. That includes his time in Carolina when he had arguably the best quarterback in the league. IMO, Rivera is not a winning coach and never will be. The sooner Washington gets rid of him, the better.

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[QUOTE=oldfan;1344584]Rivera has been a head coach for 12 seasons. His teams have won more games than they lost 3 times, 1 season was even at 8 - 8, eight seasons had a record of 50/50 + or -. That includes his time in Carolina when he had arguably the best quarterback in the league. IMO, Rivera is not a winning coach and never will be. The sooner Washington gets rid of him, the better.[/QUOTE]


[IMG]https://media3.giphy.com/media/dXFKDUolyLLi8gq6Cl/giphy.gif[/IMG]

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[quote=oldfan;1344584]Rivera has been a head coach for 12 seasons. His teams have won more games than they lost 3 times, 1 season was even at 8 - 8, eight seasons had a record of 50/50 + or -. That includes his time in Carolina when he had arguably the best quarterback in the league. IMO, Rivera is not a winning coach and never will be. The sooner Washington gets rid of him, the better.[/quote]

Name the coach who has had more winning seasons than losing seasons, with a QB who wasn't one of the top QBs in the league.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1344609]Name the coach who has had more winning seasons than losing seasons, with a QB who wasn't one of the top QBs in the league.[/quote]

Joe gibbs.

[URL="https://www.profootballhof.com/players/joe-gibbs/"]https://www.profootballhof.com/players/joe-gibbs/[/URL]

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28-10 Commanders

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31-17 C-Men.

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[quote=That Guy;1344610]Joe gibbs.

[URL="https://www.profootballhof.com/players/joe-gibbs/"]https://www.profootballhof.com/players/joe-gibbs/[/URL][/quote]

Exactly. Short list...

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28-13 Commanders. Let's go!

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[QUOTE=Chief X_Phackter;1344622]Exactly. Short list...[/QUOTE]


But didn’t Rivera have an MVP quarterback in Carolina?

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Yep, and those years Cam played at a Pro Bowl level, they did pretty well. When he didn't or when he was injured, not so much.

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Placed Milne on IR, signed W. Bradley King to the 53 man roster to replace him, in the words of Ben Standig "This does not bode well for Chase Young's Week 1 status at a minimum/ (or there's another DL issue)"

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Could be a 'just in case' depth addition. I thought things were trending up for CY.

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[quote=EdmundDorf;1344627]Placed Milne on IR, signed W. Bradley King to the 53 man roster to replace him, in the words of Ben Standig "This does not bode well for Chase Young's Week 1 status at a minimum/ (or there's another DL issue)"[/quote]

James Smith Williams was added to injury list with oblique issue, nothing to do with CY.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1344626]Yep, and those years Cam played at a Pro Bowl level, they did pretty well. When he didn't or when he was injured, not so much.[/quote]

The lack of Quality QB is Rivera's fault as well. He is the defacto GM too, so who was brought in is all on him.

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It's pretty widely speculated that his hand was forced on most of those QB decisions by you know who. The only QBs he's likely responsible for bringing here are Heinicke, Allen, Howell and Brissett.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1344637]It's pretty widely speculated that his hand was forced on most of those QB decisions by you know who. The only QBs he's likely responsible for bringing here are Heinicke, Allen, Howell and Brissett.[/quote]

I believe that on Haskins as he was dumped with him . . . But he swore to God (very adamantly) on camera that Wentz was 100% his decision.

[URL="https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/34792882/ron-rivera-heatedly-denies-carson-wentz-trade-dan-snyder-move"]Source:[/URL]

[quote]Rivera strongly denied that the owner demanded they trade for Wentz. Rivera had compiled a list of analytics that showed Wentz's effectiveness and had him on a list of desired quarterbacks to possibly acquire entering the offseason. He has said they learned Wentz was available while at the scouting combine in Indianapolis last winter. The report also came out two days after Rivera had answered "quarterback" when asked the difference between his rebuilding team and the other three in the NFC East. Rivera later said he meant that those teams had quarterbacks who had been with their teams longer.

"Everybody keeps saying I didn't want anything to do with Carson, well, bulls---," Rivera said. "I'm the f---ing guy that pulled out the sheets of paper, looked at the analytics, watched the tape when we were at Indianapolis, OK? And that's what pisses me off, 'cause the young man doesn't deserve to have that all the time."

He then ended the news conference.

Wentz later said he was unaware of the ESPN story, but, he said, he appreciated Rivera's passion.

"Coach Rivera, he's awesome," Wentz said. "I've got a ton of respect for him, playing in this league for a while from afar, and getting to play for him is even better. He speaks his mind and he'll be direct and to the point, and in this business that means a lot. Guys love that about him, and he's going to be straight up and very motivational. Guys respond to him very well. I'm appreciative of him."[/quote]

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Guess we'll just have to wait for the documentary to find out what really happened over the last 20+ years.

Anyway, if Howell works out, for me it makes up for any other "bad" QB decision RR may have made. It's tough to get the QB position right. Every team and every Head Coach in the NFL would attest to that.

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[QUOTE=Chief X_Phackter;1344626]Yep, and those years Cam played at a Pro Bowl level, they did pretty well. When he didn't or when he was injured, not so much.[/QUOTE]


So basically Ron needs a pro bowl caliber quarterback to even have a winning record? Over a 12 year span he had one for three years. Those other 9 years he managed just to get to .500 once. There is no way you can cut that where he doesn’t stink.

There certainly have been plenty of coaches who had at least one winning season in 9 years without a pro bowl quarterback. Doesn’t need to be more winning seasons than losing without said quarterback, but just a single one. It isn’t that much to ask.

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[quote=punch it in;1344641]So basically Ron needs a pro bowl caliber quarterback to even have a winning record? Over a 12 year span he had one for three years. Those other 9 years he managed just to get to .500 once. There is no way you can cut that where he doesn’t stink.

There certainly have been plenty of coaches who had at least one winning season in 9 years without a pro bowl quarterback. Doesn’t need to be more winning seasons than losing without said quarterback, but just a single one. It isn’t that much to ask.[/quote]

He was the "best of the worst" that would come here to work under DS and all of the bullshit coming in. Despite what Ron said about how he was brought in to change the culture and all that other shit, he has contributed greatly to the dysfunction and controversy. Some of it might be accidental but lots and probably most of it fell squarely on his shoulders from his own doing.

He had a stable owner in Jerry Richardson at Carolina up until his incident happened, and as others pointed out, in 13 years as a HC, he has had double digit wins three times. He is not all of a sudden going to change his stripes and turn into a world beater. I did not like when he was hired, but he has done the best he could under horrible circumstances and he at least deserves to finish this season and get fired at the end of the season with dignity, and not after they get eliminated from the playoffs. This is probably his last go round as HC. I think his ego / pride is too much to return to the sidelines as a DC...

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[QUOTE=SolidSnake84;1344642]He was the "best of the worst" that would come here to work under DS and all of the bullshit coming in. Despite what Ron said about how he was brought in to change the culture and all that other shit, he has contributed greatly to the dysfunction and controversy. Some of it might be accidental but lots and probably most of it fell squarely on his shoulders from his own doing.

He had a stable owner in Jerry Richardson at Carolina up until his incident happened, and as others pointed out, in 13 years as a HC, he has had double digit wins three times. He is not all of a sudden going to change his stripes and turn into a world beater. I did not like when he was hired, but he has done the best he could under horrible circumstances and he at least deserves to finish this season and get fired at the end of the season with dignity, and not after they get eliminated from the playoffs. This is probably his last go round as HC. I think his ego / pride is too much to return to the sidelines as a DC...[/QUOTE]


I agree wholeheartedly with your first sentence. I do not think he has an ego or that he contributed to any dysfunction. I think the players like him and i think all in all he is a good dude. I just think he is an awful clock manager, an awful x’s and o’s guy and an awful preparer, and in game adjuster. Basically an awful all around coach. But as far as him as a person I have zero issues with. Id love Ron Rivera the man to be an excellent football coach. He just isn’t.