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[quote=punch it in;1360873]If we take him and his questionable arm at 2 Im going to lose my shit. Lol.[/quote]

Lol.

Between JD, and JJMC, I’d take JD at #2, and I think we will. BUT being a Michigan fan and alum, I wouldn’t mind seeing JJMC play here. He’s better than many think; he’ll obviously have to prove it, and I think he will.

Just my percentage guess for us at #2

JD-60%
JJMC-35%
Trade back-5%

I’m not a fan of Maye

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I would like to take JD at 2 and trade back into the first to protect him. Could be a solid OT there at 36 but I would like to trade back into the first and get a Latham type.

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All this JJ McC talk is just that. Talk. He is not worthy of being a top 5 pick and you just can not reach for a guy like that. Top 5 picks are for not only the elite players of college football, but an elite skill set. I think I watched this kid almost every week for two years. Just don't see it. Sure he was under center more than the other guys. And he may have been asked to do more at the line, but his talent level isn't there.

He looks like the perfect guy you take in the later rounds and develop. But cause he is a QB, and he played for the best team, and has Harbaugh telling everyone he's great, he has overdrafted written all over him. Please do not fall for the trap Mr Peters.

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Whoever their guy is, I hope they take him at #2. I don't care if it's JJ, JD, DM, BN, MP...

Can't risk trading back and having to settle for someone else, because your guy is gone by the time you pick again.

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[QUOTE=skinsfan69;1360885]All this JJ McC talk is just that. Talk. He is not worthy of being a top 5 pick and you just can not reach for a guy like that. Top 5 picks are for not only the elite players of college football, but an elite skill set. I think I watched this kid almost every week for two years. Just don't see it. Sure he was under center more than the other guys. And he may have been asked to do more at the line, but his talent level isn't there.

He looks like the perfect guy you take in the later rounds and develop. But cause he is a QB, and he played for the best team, and has Harbaugh telling everyone he's great, he has overdrafted written all over him. Please do not fall for the trap Mr Peters.[/QUOTE]


Seriously. Harbaugh saying he had the greatest workout he has ever seen ( LOL) and the best quarterback in the class. Sure. He is so great that the same guy kept the ball on the ground for halves at a time. This buzz is gonna get him a payday he probably doesn’t deserve, and good for him. Just hope my team isn’t writing the check.

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[quote=punch it in;1360889]Seriously. Harbaugh saying he had the greatest workout he has ever seen ( LOL) and the best quarterback in the class. Sure. He is so great that the same guy kept the ball on the ground for halves at a time. This buzz is gonna get him a payday he probably doesn’t deserve, and good for him. Just hope my team isn’t writing the check.[/quote]

Punch, if you're ramming the ball down a team's throat all game, there is no reason to pass it. You can't punish a QB for having a dominate running game. It's coaching malfeasance to pass the ball just for the sake of passing it, when you're dominating on the ground.

I'd run the same running play every single snap if it was working every time. Doesn't matter if Tom Brady was my QB.

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Agreed but Punch’s point, I think, is that it’s hard to tout that kind of potential when the QB was so underutilized.


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[quote=calia;1360892]Agreed but Punch’s point, I think, is that it’s hard to tout that kind of potential when the QB was so underutilized.

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We all have our reasons for why we want or don't want every option at QB.

But I don't think Michigan ran the ball more than other teams because McCarthy wasn't good enough. They ran the ball because they could pound that shit down your throat and you couldn't stop it. And they went 15-0. They were right.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1360891]Punch, if you're ramming the ball down a team's throat all game, there is no reason to pass it. You can't punish a QB for having a dominate running game. [B]It's coaching malfeasance to pass the ball just for the sake of passing it, when you're dominating on the ground.
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I'd run the same running play every single snap if it was working every time. Doesn't matter if Tom Brady was my QB.[/quote]

We lived this last year. Not that we "dominated" on the ground, but we had a very good average when we did decide to run the ball.

Having a QB who can, but doesn't have to, is a good place to be.

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[QUOTE=sdskinsfan2001;1360893]We all have our reasons for why we want or don't want every option at QB.

But I don't think Michigan ran the ball more than other teams because McCarthy wasn't good enough. They ran the ball because they could pound that shit down your throat and you couldn't stop it. And they went 15-0. They were right.[/QUOTE]


Our points are consistent. They ran because they could (and when you can, you should - talking to you, EB). JJ didn’t have to do as much and so we haven’t seen as much - I think that was all Punch was saying, although he came correct me.


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[QUOTE=calia;1360892]Agreed but Punch’s point, I think, is that it’s hard to tout that kind of potential when the QB was so underutilized.


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It is both. There were most certainly times that Michigan would have / could have thrown the ball and stuck the dagger in a team if JJ had a big boy arm.

Yes SD I know Michigan had a dominant run game but it is no secret that running was the “safe” bet in situations where a deep ball would have been lights out.

Number two pick and you got elite arms available. Take one.

Obviously Peters and Co know things I dont and if they pick him at 2 I will get behind it. But the first time he floats one downfield Im putting on adult diapers. Lol.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1360886]Whoever their guy is, I hope they take him at #2. I don't care if it's JJ, JD, DM, BN, MP...

Can't risk trading back and having to settle for someone else, because your guy is gone by the time you pick again.[/quote]

Nice to see Bo Nix get a mention. :)

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[quote=davy;1360899]Nice to see Bo Nix get a mention. :)[/quote]

:D

I doubt he's in play, but who knows.

It's probably just as everyone surmises - between Maye and Daniels. My gut tells me it's going to be Daniels. He's dynamic, has almost twice as many college games under his belt as Maye (55 - 30), better stats against better competition, and he has seemingly improved every single year.

Maye's probably going to be a good NFL QB - maybe great eventually. However, I don't see how you pass on Daniels...

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1360914]:D

I doubt he's in play, but who knows.

It's probably just as everyone surmises - between Maye and Daniels. My gut tells me it's going to be Daniels. He's dynamic, has almost twice as many college games under his belt as Maye (55 - 30), better stats against better competition, and he has seemingly improved every single year.

Maye's probably going to be a good NFL QB - maybe great eventually. [B]However, I don't see how you pass on Daniels[/B]...[/quote]

I've watched most of JDs games now and the number of times I've gone "WOW! nice throw" is far outweighed by the number of times I've gone "UGH! what was that?".

Not a fan at all. :(

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simple Question to all ..

Do you believe the Commanders know who they will pick at Number 2 or do you buy into all the talk about "it's an ongoing process " blah blah .. 😃

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[quote=rocnrik;1360919]simple Question to all ..

Do you believe the Commanders know who they will pick at Number 2 or do you buy into all the talk about "it's an ongoing process " blah blah .. 😃[/quote]

I think they have a short list, and their evaluation process is ongoing.

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I don't think it's crazy to think they are keeping all of their options open and haven't locked on to one guy.

We've already seen with the HC hiring process they are going to be thorough and methodical.

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[quote=MTK;1360930]I don't think it's crazy to think they are keeping all of their options open and haven't locked on to one guy.

We've already seen with the HC hiring process they are going to be thorough and methodical.[/quote]

even if they know they are not telling us

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[quote=rocnrik;1360919]simple Question to all ..

Do you believe the Commanders know who they will pick at Number 2 or do you buy into all the talk about "it's an ongoing process " blah blah .. 😃[/quote]

That's all a bunch of BS talk. They know. I just go back to what the head coach said. He called Daniels a "game changer" .. so to me that's their guy. I'd be shocked if they draft anyone else.

And really there's not that much not to like about the kid.

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I think they definitely have a pecking order and if the draft were today, they know who the pick would be. But there is still basically a month until the draft. It's possible the list is still subject to change. I believe LSU/UNC pro-days are this week.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1360935]That's all a bunch of BS talk. They know. I just go back to what the head coach said. He called Daniels a "game changer" .. so to me that's their guy. I'd be shocked if they draft anyone else.

And really there's not that much not to like about the kid.[/quote]

to be honest they probably have different guys for different scenarios

Trade up to #1 we select X

Stay at 2 we draft X

Get a great offer to move back we draft X

Most likely we stay at 2 and that pick most likely is JD/ DM; me leaning JD

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At his pro day Daniels measures 6'3" and 210 lbs

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[quote=MTK;1360941]At his pro day Daniels measures 6'3" and 210 lbs[/quote]

Welcome to Washington

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[quote=mredskins;1360942]Welcome to Washington[/quote]

Yeah I don't see it playing out any other way

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[QUOTE=skinsfaninok;1360943]Yeah I don't see it playing out any other way[/QUOTE]Just curious, is there any speculation at all that Chicago buys into the JD hype and selects him first?

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[QUOTE=CRedskinsRule;1360944]Just curious, is there any speculation at all that Chicago buys into the JD hype and selects him first?

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Not that ive seen anywhere but they might be keeping a lid on it too. If they do take JD we most definitely will jump at CW. I’ve all but written him off as going to the Bears at 1. Now you have rekindled some interest. Lol

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[quote=punch it in;1360946]Not that ive seen anywhere but they might be keeping a lid on it too. If they do take JD we most definitely will jump at CW. I’ve all but written him off as going to the Bears at 1. Now you have rekindled some interest. Lol[/quote]

Their GM on Pat Mcafee basically said they are taking him yesterday..

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[QUOTE=skinsfaninok;1360948]Their GM on Pat Mcafee basically said they are taking him yesterday..[/QUOTE]


Yeah I would be shocked if they didn’t. I think the entire world would be….

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[quote=MTK;1360941]At his pro day Daniels measures 6'3" and 210 lbs[/quote]

This is a relief

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I thought that was his height and weight at LSU?

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i like JD followed by DM and would draft JJ only if it was part of a trade down that we got a lot in return.. I mean a lot!!

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[QUOTE=rocnrik;1360956]i like JD followed by DM and would draft JJ only if it was part of a trade down that we got a lot in return.. I mean a lot!![/QUOTE]


Agree [emoji817]

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I don't think they will risk trading back unless it's with the Patriots, and that is highly doubtful. They need to come out of round 1 with a potential franchise QB. While nothing in the draft is a guarantee, moving out of the top 3 would decrease the odds significantly.

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[QUOTE=Chief X_Phackter;1360958]I don't think they will risk trading back unless it's with the Patriots, and that is highly doubtful. They need to come out of round 1 with a potential franchise QB. While nothing in the draft is a guarantee, moving out of the top 3 would decrease the odds significantly.[/QUOTE]


Well if you include JJ there are 4. There is a scenario where we could move back one spot with the Pats and still guarantee we get one of the 3(4 if you include JJ). Depends on whether we have our mind made up about someone and whether the Pats do. If they wanna throw us picks to have first choice and we like two or three of those guys equally than we would take the picks and give them first choice.

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Just draft Jayden Daniels. Keep it simple. Sure, he might bust, but he has lowest possibility at No. 2 of busting. He can pass the ball, he can run the ball, his teammates love him. Just draft him.

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[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1YbLa3niHKo[/url]

Here is Chris Spielman commenting on Jaylen Daniels' pro day. Enjoy!

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[quote=punch it in;1360959]Well if you include JJ there are 4. There is a scenario where we could move back one spot with the Pats and still guarantee we get one of the 3(4 if you include JJ). Depends on whether we have our mind made up about someone and whether the Pats do. If they wanna throw us picks to have first choice and we like two or three of those guys equally than we would take the picks and give them first choice.[/quote]

There is talk of six QBs going in the 1st round. That in and of itself would be unprecedented. It's possible we get four franchise QBs out of this draft, similar to the 2020 draft (Tua, Herbert, Burrow, and J Love...(the jury is still out on J Love maybe?)). However, it's more likely that four of the six will be Blake Bortles, Mitch Trubisky, Zach Wilson & Trey Lance.

As much as I like the idea of adding more draft picks, I think by April 24th they have to be locked in on who their guy is once the Bears draft Caleb Williams, and they have to stay at #2 and pick him. Doing anything else would be too risky.

If their pick at #2 ends up being Zach Wilson...so be it. Rinse and repeat next year.

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my breakdown of the workout was okay, it was interesting i've had the most notes from his so far. his motion is butter, it's green light, and he has the most automatic trigger we've seen in years, he liable to get the ball off in tight areas smooth. it's a lil bradyish. that's the good part. he does specific things really well, effective with deep balls, highly potent, dare i say prolific throwing back shoulder, literally never overstrides. it's been most interesting to see him alternate his stagger foot. you see it on film, you see it in game, it was surprised to see it in a workout its a rare tendency you don't see with other QB's. it speaks to #1. his versatility in different systems. his coordinators will be interchangeable. #2. on the negative side, if he starts getting out of Wack it spotlights, his inconsistency with his lower body. but its very like tiny detail. the most interesting thing I SAW. He alternated his break foot. #1. the positive of that is, he showed a lot of ease and comfort off platform. it's almost like his stays on balance even when he's off platform, that's how balanced he is on his feet. #2. the negative is no one really wants you driving off ur back foot and his arm strength is already not most ideal but yeah. it stands out. he has an inconsistent break foot, that's a big issue. all that being said, for the most part, he's just really good with the footwork. overall, it's all very cute, its very fancy. he does all the flashy stuff well. i wish he was more consistent doing the easy stuff. his anticipation is off, you wish his ball placement was better, the ball finished behind the receiver a few times and if i'm a defender and they run crossing stuff, short to mid, i'm jumping it. Those are my big takeaways.

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ReDRu_SMwZo[/url]

the above critique was a YT commenter; i thought it was a good assessment

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Good breakdown, agree with most of that. He's def QB2 and some even say QB1

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I hate to be so simplistic about Jayden Daniels but I just love everything I know about the young man. I think he has all the makings of an NFL star. We are lucky to have the #2 pick. Now all we have to do is wait until it's time to hand in the card with his name on it.