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[QUOTE=Southpaw]
If we weren't supposed to know anything about the state of the team other than what we see on Sundays, they wouldn't bother producing a hundred different shows about the NFL and Redskins(locally), and newspapers and radio shows wouldn't bother reporting on team related issues. Now of course no one can force the coaches to divulge information to us, just as no one can force Bill Gates to offer tech support for his product, but if you plan on having repeat customers, or long time fans to generate continued revenue for the future, you do little things like that to appease them. If it got to a point where people stopped buying the tickets and merchandise, things would change because it would be taking money out of Snyders pocket. Luckily for him, that won't happen in any time soon because for some reason, we blindly follow and love the Redskins, in spite of a decade of big spending, false hope, empty promises, and sub par seasons.[/QUOTE]

two points, first, bill gates doesn't give tech support to anyone personally, he has people that do that for him. He also is allowed to keep his clap shut about anything he wants, and it doesn't really affect the MS bottom line.

You say the nfl needs to appease fans, but honestly, how many people here are cancelling their season tickets and are going to stop watching the games because one coach wouldn't talk extensively about the benching of a single player.... I don't see any hands up.

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[QUOTE=onlydarksets] However, it is starting to look like there is a personal issue in this.[/QUOTE]


Starting to look like it's personal???? LMAO

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[QUOTE=railcon56@comcast.net]Starting to look like it's personal???? LMAO[/QUOTE]

You need to distinguish the speculative rumors perpetuated by sports journalists. Lavar's statement is the first concrete information from ANYONE that he is on the bench for personal reasons.

Just because everyone IS out to get you doesn't mean doesn't mean you aren't paranoid ;)

Just Play Me!!
 

I know this is going to be the hot topic today after the 980 show, so lets get it started. Now, does anyone believe this is personal, an organizational thing, or is it because LaVar just can't play. I for one think its personal with all the offseason stuff, but would like to hear what everyone else has to say since the blow up on the radio.

It was only a matter of time before the truth came out, wonder what the coaching staff is going to say about him not on the field at practice either, or what lie that they come up with

GO LAVAR!! WE ARE BEHIND YOU

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It absolutely is not personal. I don't understand why people think professional coaches and owners would risk their time, reputation, and money on nothing more than perceived vengeance. It just doesn't make sense. You have to trust that the coaching staff knows more than you or I (as crazy as that may seem) and that there are actually good reasons why 56 is on the bench.

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My response to you is why then is the coaching staff saying LaVar has to prove it on the practice field and then not even giving him the chance to prove it. The man does not practice, not at all. Whats with that? Tell me, honostly, Holdman is a better LB than LaVar. If you can honostly say that, I will be amazed.

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After reading the article in the Post, I say let him play against KC. We should be able to shut down their run with or without arrington. On the upside, Arrington could potentially cause some big plays. But on the downside it could be more 35-55 yd runs. I've seen video of his plays this season and 80% of them are real bad. I love Arrington and want him to play and make a difference on the D but he's gotta be real careful of being too ARROGANT. Me first attitude will ride the pine under Williams and Gibbs. I don't think Arrington is like that, atleast I hope not. His talking to the media about this is natural, he's frustrated, but he's seen the film like I have. He overruns and misses tackles. Sure he can put a knock out on someone, but what if he misses? The new Madden hitstick is more accurate at this point. I'm not saying Lavar has lost it at all, but give it all time. When he's back in the fold our gameplanning will surprise and shock the opposition. Just you wait. #56 will have a role this season other than 'collecting a check'.

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what more do you need? the guys isn't even on the practice field. How can he prove it if he doesn't get the chance.

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[QUOTE=onlydarksets]I agree this isn't going to end well, but I don't see how this qualifies as "bitching". I stand by my original statement that that Lavar has not been disruptive about this. Can anyone honestly say that his comments are inappropriate? No, you can't. He's willing to play special teams, just to get a chance to play and prove himself. The only possible comment is where he says "I'm to the point now that it's overshadowing what we're doing." But that's just a statement of reality - this thing is overshadowing what the Skins are doing this season.

Bottom line is that Gibbs/GW feel that Lavar off the field makes the team better than him on the field. This doesn't require a conspiracy theory. Their reasons may be personal, professional, organizational, or some combination. However, it is starting to look like there is a personal issue in this.[/QUOTE]

Yeah I'd say this is bitching, or at least the beginning of it.

Before he was playing the good solider routine. The team is winning, so he was keeping his mouth shut. Now he's starting to vent and air his dirty laundry in public, which is probably the last thing the coaches want to see.

Not a smart move in my opinion, of course I understand he's frustrated, but this isn't going to help anything.

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[QUOTE=#56fanatic]what more do you need? the guys isn't even on the practice field. How can he prove it if he doesn't get the chance.[/QUOTE]
No where did it say he doesn't practice. According to him he isn't getting a lot of reps. Last time I checked most non-starters don't get bunches of reps in practice. That whole preparing the starters for the game and making sure they know the scheme for the week astoundingly takes precedence over a 5th string linebacker getting the reps he feels he deserves.

Of course you're taking him at his word about his practice reps. Why?

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80% of his plays, so you have seen 7 plays. You can tell a man is not deserving of playing time through watching 7 plays. boy you are talented. I am sick of all these fans coming to Gibbs and GW rescue. The fact is they lied to us about LaVar, why he isn't playing. They keep saying to prove it in practice, knowing damn well he isn't getting on the field in practice. I give LaVar props for staying quite as long as he as. The Redskins have botched this with a proven probowler, for what ever reason. Makes no sense why Holdman, and Clemons is seeing the field instead of LaVar. Thats like taking out somebody like Urlacher and saying, well, you just dont fit in this D because we want to do this, come on the guy is talented enough to play the run, rush the passer, fast enough to play the pass and rome the field like a DB. Why do all these people keep sticking up for this staff? because its JOE, what JOE never botches anything. Dont you remember the Trotter thing? He basically said, well I messed that one up, hes very good. Now if he sees trotter play and thinks he is very good, how can he miss LaVars ability?

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I am trying to understand exactly why some people think this is about anything other than performance issues. What is the concensus in that camp?

Re: Just Play Me!!
 

[QUOTE=#56fanatic]My response to you is why then is the coaching staff saying LaVar has to prove it on the practice field and then not even giving him the chance to prove it. The man does not practice, not at all. Whats with that? Tell me, honostly, Holdman is a better LB than LaVar. If you can honostly say that, I will be amazed.[/QUOTE]
Absolutely.

Root for the team, not the players.

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When did they lie? In your wildest imaginations you can't find anythign they have said that is a lie. You're taking Lavar's word as gold and dismissing they're word. Why? And honestly if you look at what both have said you don't see to much contradiction. No where did Gibbs or Williams say that Lavar was getting every rep possible. All they said was he needed to show improvement in practice. Lots of guys move up the depth chart by only a getting a few reps in practice and doing the max they can with them. The coaches don't stop watching when the 3rd and 4th stringers are getting reps. They're watching to see who is doing what.

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I guess it depends on what "personal" is.

Is he being benched because the coaches just don't like him? I highly doubt that, in fact to think they would be so petty is just ridiculous.

If personal means he has an attitude problem, then I can believe that.

At this point I don't even care. This whole thing is really getting annoying, LAVAR IS NOT ABOVE THE TEAM, nobody is!

The Redskins are 3-1, it would be a damn shame if this thing becomes a distraction to the team. I doubt it will, the coaches won't allow it and I think this thing is a bigger deal externally than it is internally.

Seriously, what is the big deal? The team is 3-1 without him with the 5th ranked D, and the defense was 3rd overall last year without him.

People are acting as if LaVar is somehow unbenchable, as if there's nothing he could do that would warrant this.

Maybe with other staffs this doesn't happen, but I for one appreciate the team atmosphere this staff has worked so hard to instill, and if this is just another example of them putting the team first, then dammit I don't care who they bench!

Hasn't anyone noticed this trend, LaVar is always the victim, but usually we see right through this, but now for some reason people are coming to his defense. Don't get suckered in!

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#56fanatic:
You are consistently mistating facts. You have said now a couple times that Lavar "doesn't get on the practice field". Where exactly are you getting this idea?

Re: Just Play Me!!
 

thats a joke! Then why to they market these players individually. I always root for washington, but man you have to be able to identify with the players. Looking at your age, I dont know if you remember the years Gibbs was here the first time, man the players were the same year in and year out, and dont tell me it cant happen. All the good teams(pats, eagles, steelers, carolina, ect. ) all have the same core group. LaVar is suppose to be the head of that core group, a "core redskin" now hes being tossed aside like a used up 40 year old QB.

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Lavar is a weapon but so is the scud missile.


We will see Lavar this season just be patient.
You watch the clips of the Phins and Broncs SB and you'll see that Gibbs can pull it out. All you need is faith my brother.

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Scud missile is like shooting old Pontiac stationwagons in the air...

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[QUOTE=#56fanatic]thats a joke! Then why to they market these players individually. I always root for washington, but man you have to be able to identify with the players. Looking at your age, I dont know if you remember the years Gibbs was here the first time, man the players were the same year in and year out, and dont tell me it cant happen. All the good teams(pats, eagles, steelers, carolina, ect. ) all have the same core group. LaVar is suppose to be the head of that core group, a "core redskin" now hes being tossed aside like a used up 40 year old QB.[/QUOTE]

Because on a team that doesn't win much, that's where they make the money. Looking at your age you should know this, old man. ;)

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[QUOTE=#56fanatic]thats a joke! Then why to they market these players individually. I always root for washington, but man you have to be able to identify with the players. Looking at your age, I dont know if you remember the years Gibbs was here the first time, man the players were the same year in and year out, and dont tell me it cant happen. All the good teams(pats, eagles, steelers, carolina, ect. ) all have the same core group. LaVar is suppose to be the head of that core group, a "core redskin" now hes being tossed aside like a used up 40 year old QB.[/QUOTE]

Perhaps he's not the core Redskin that he appeared to be after all?

If you remember Gibbs 1.0, I find it amazing you would so vigorously question his decision making now.

The man is a proven winner who knows a thing or two about surrounding himself with top notch people. Perhaps Gibbs and the staff have soured on Arrington.

What it all boils down to is we the fans don't have all the information necessary to fairly judge the situation. But... the people that do have all the information are the ones that are making the decision to bench him, so conventional wisdom here says to trust the people with all the information.

If we can't trust Gibbs and co., seriously... who can we trust?

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quick summary:
lavar isn't happy, but the coaches don't care.

I think he lost his job and until they start losing, holdman goes from ho-hum to terrible or an injury occurs, he'll continue to watch from the sidelines.

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[QUOTE=#56fanatic]It was only a matter of time before the truth came out, wonder what the coaching staff is going to say about him not on the field at practice either, or what lie that they come up with

GO LAVAR!! WE ARE BEHIND YOU[/QUOTE]

Wow - pretty strong words based on one side of the story. Both Joe and GW have made it clear - stop freelancing. EVERY report - both from inside and sources around the league - blame LaVar's lack of playing time on his inability to play within the system - ANY SYSTEM.

He's not getting practice reps? Well, what does he do with the reps he gets? Apparently, he freelances (as usual). And your surprised this gets him fewer repetitions? If I'm GW, I'd do the same thing - "LaVar Show me you can practice within the system for a 3 or 4 packages. Can't do that? Okay, show me you can practice within the system for two packages. Can't do that? Show me you can practice within the system for ONE package. How about for just one rep? Can't do that? Guess what - I am giving your reps to someone who understands and is capable of playing the system AND who will improve and show himself capable of growing WITHIN the system."

LaVar's incredible athletic talent doesn't mean he is entitled to playing time. Despite his athleticism, it's teamwork not individual athleticism that wins championships (SI recently conducted a player poll asking "Outside of Vick, who is the most athletic player" - Every team accept one had players listed. The only team without a "most athletic" player? New England). To his credit, LaVar has been a team player and has not been disruptive - but even a good attitude doesn't warrant playing time. Athleticism, attitude AND most importantly discipline will get LaVar his practice reps and his playing time. But first, clearly, LaVar has to reestablish the trust GW gave him initially but then lost through LaVar's inability to practice or play disciplined football.

LaVar is frustrated, but all that has to happen is for the little light to go on in his head that says "Do what the coaches tell me to do". I have yet to hear him say "I am doing what they tell me to do, but they still won't play me" or simply (as you assert) "the coaches lied to me, they promised me X and I got Y". Other than Ramsey and LaVar, I have yet to see or hear any player rumblings about unfair treatment. And, in each of those cases, the players themselves haven't alleged they were lied to by the coaches. Rather, each complained that they simple weren't given the opportunity THEY felt they deserved. Further, not one other player has even hinted that they felt LaVar was getting a bum deal. Instead, it is "We know he wants to play." "With his talent, he could help us but we play as a team and everyone has to step up." Nobody is talking about how LaVar is really working on breaking down film or studying his role in the defense.

Don't get me wrong, I like LaVar. He is a tremendous athelete and a really good guy. But I also trust Joe - he ain't gonna air his laundry for us b/c, I believe, he feels that what is between a player and the coaches stays between the player and the coaches. Further, I think Gibbs reputation speaks for itself. You're calling Joe Gibbs a liar? or someone who tolerates liars on his staff? If your dealing in hyperbole, then it's simply uncalled for in what is already a touchy subject among fans. If you honestly believe this coaching staff lies to its players, then - sorry dude - that just blows your credibility. Please take your conspiracy theories to the appropriate X Files chatroom.

You may be behind LaVar (enjoy the bench), but I am behind the coaching staff that is playing winning football, that, apparently, has the confidence of the team, that has put up a couple of top 5 defenses, and that has historically won the trust and respect its players.

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Sterling Sharpe did a quick breakdown on why LaVar isn't playing, you can watch the clip at NFL.com, on the right hand side with all the videos I think it's the week 5 preview clip.

Right at the end he shows 2 plays in the Bears game where LaVar is way out of position and loses containment to the outside allowing Thomas Jones 2 big gains.

Re: Just Play Me!!
 

[QUOTE=JoeRedskin]Wow - pretty strong words based on one side of the story. Both Joe and GW have made it clear - stop freelancing. EVERY report - both from inside and sources around the league - blame LaVar's lack of playing time on his inability to play within the system - ANY SYSTEM.

He's not getting practice reps? Well, what does he do with the reps he gets? Apparently, he freelances (as usual). And your surprised this gets him fewer repetitions? If I'm GW, I'd do the same thing - "LaVar Show me you can practice within the system for a 3 or 4 packages. Can't do that? Okay, show me you can practice within the system for two packages. Can't do that? Show me you can practice within the system for ONE package. How about for just one rep? Can't do that? Guess what - I am giving your reps to someone who understands and is capable of playing the system AND who will improve and show himself capable of growing WITHIN the system."

LaVar's incredible athletic talent doesn't mean he is entitled to playing time. Despite his athleticism, it's teamwork not individual athleticism that wins championships (SI recently conducted a player poll asking "Outside of Vick, who is the most athletic player" - Every team accept one had players listed. The only team without a "most athletic" player? New England). To his credit, LaVar has been a team player and has not been disruptive - but even a good attitude doesn't warrant playing time. Athleticism, attitude AND most importantly discipline will get LaVar his practice reps and his playing time. But first, clearly, LaVar has to reestablish the trust GW gave him initially but then lost through LaVar's inability to practice or play disciplined football.

LaVar is frustrated, but all that has to happen is for the little light to go on in his head that says "Do what the coaches tell me to do". I have yet to hear him say "I am doing what they tell me to do, but they still won't play me" or simply (as you assert) "the coaches lied to me, they promised me X and I got Y". Other than Ramsey and LaVar, I have yet to see or hear any player rumblings about unfair treatment. And, in each of those cases, the players themselves haven't alleged they were lied to by the coaches. Rather, each complained that they simple weren't given the opportunity THEY felt they deserved. Further, not one other player has even hinted that they felt LaVar was getting a bum deal. Instead, it is "We know he wants to play." "With his talent, he could help us but we play as a team and everyone has to step up." Nobody is talking about how LaVar is really working on breaking down film or studying his role in the defense.

Don't get me wrong, I like LaVar. He is a tremendous athelete and a really good guy. But I also trust Joe - he ain't gonna air his laundry for us b/c, I believe, he feels that what is between a player and the coaches stays between the player and the coaches. Further, I think Gibbs reputation speaks for itself. You're calling Joe Gibbs a liar? or someone who tolerates liars on his staff? If your dealing in hyperbole, then it's simply uncalled for in what is already a touchy subject among fans. If you honestly believe this coaching staff lies to its players, then - sorry dude - that just blows your credibility. Please take your conspiracy theories to the appropriate X Files chatroom.

You may be behind LaVar (enjoy the bench), but I am behind the coaching staff that is playing winning football, that, apparently, has the confidence of the team, that has put up a couple of top 5 defenses, and that has historically won the trust and respect its players.[/QUOTE]

You guys kill me....all of a sudden LaVar is this super freelancer?? Come the hell on??? Check all of the threads I've written or responded to, and you'll find that I agree with Gibbs/Williams on just about everything, and I tend to believe what they say as well. I don't doubt their ability or coaching experience. But please don't tell me LaVar has fallen that far from grace as one of the most dominant linebackers in the NFL to someone who all of a sudden can't pick up a system?? Someone who freelances so much that he can't get reps in practice?? I mean, does that even sound right?? Seriously??
How do you go from All-Pro to a [b][i]healthy[/i][/b] fifth string linebacker? I'm not saying they are lying but certainly the whole story isn't being told.

[b]How could he go from being the face of the Redskins one year to the butt of the Redskins the next??[/b]

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72]Sterling Sharpe did a quick breakdown on why LaVar isn't playing, you can watch the clip at NFL.com, on the right hand side with all the videos I think it's the week 5 preview clip.

Right at the end he shows 2 plays in the Bears game where LaVar is way out of position and loses containment to the outside allowing Thomas Jones 2 big gains.[/QUOTE]
Well that will get ignored because it doesn't follow along the lemming path of everyone thinks he should be playing, especially all the natinal media who don't know jack crap about what really goes on with teams because they don't have enough time to focus on each individual team.

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[QUOTE=That Guy]two points, first, bill gates doesn't give tech support to anyone personally, he has people that do that for him. He also is allowed to keep his clap shut about anything he wants, and it doesn't really affect the MS bottom line.

You say the nfl needs to appease fans, but honestly, how many people here are cancelling their season tickets and are going to stop watching the games because one coach wouldn't talk extensively about the benching of a single player.... I don't see any hands up.[/QUOTE]


As far as your first point, obviously Bill Gates isn't personally responsible for Microsoft tech support, just as Snyder isn't directly responsible for all the Redskins merchandise and TV shows, I just used his name to make the statement more relatable. And I said that no one can force him to offer tech support, but he does it to make his customers happy. If you think him cutting off tech support and updates would have no effect on the Microsoft bottom line, you're crazy.

Secondly, I stated that we blindly stick with the Redskins here in the Washington area, but fans being unhappy or uninterested to the point of the franchise losing money happens all the time. Anytime a team moves to a new city, it's generally because the owner isn't happy with the amount of money he's making in the current city. All the little Redskins shows and events are what Snyder throws at us to appease us, and it apparently works.

Re: Just Play Me!!
 

[QUOTE=12thMan]You guys kill me....all of a sudden LaVar is this super freelancer?? Come the hell on??? [/QUOTE]
Well, you kill me. How out of touch can you be?? ALL OF SUDDEN? Jesus F'ing christ, LA has ALWAYS been a freelancer - even at Penn State. Remember Marvin Lewis?? Or how about how LA and the rest of the LB's just sorta did their own thing under Edwards? LA is incapable of playing disciplined football. Show me one reporter/analyst/player or coach who has complimented LA on his disciplined play. I have been reading about LA's inability to play disciplined ball in ANY system since the time immemorial. Apparently, the current set of coaches simply aren't gonna put up with it.

[QUOTE=12thMan]But please don't tell me LaVar has fallen that far from grace as one of the most dominant linebackers in the NFL to someone who all of a sudden can't pick up a system?? [/QUOTE]
First, although a pro bowler, and capable of big plays, LaVar was never considered "one of the most dominant linebackers in the game". He always bordered on being recognized around the league as such, but something seemed to hold him back in the view of players from other teams (hmmmmm ... wonder what it could have been).

[QUOTE=12thMan] Someone who freelances so much that he can't get reps in practice?? I mean, does that even sound right?? Seriously??[/QUOTE]
Yes. I thought I explained the logic of it in my previous post. Simply put: Until you demonstrate your ability to play within the system, you will be given LESS not MORE responsibility.

[QUOTE=12thMan] How do you go from All-Pro to a [b][i]healthy[/i][/b] fifth string linebacker? I'm not saying they are lying but certainly the whole story isn't being told. [/QUOTE]
By demonstrating in practice and in games your inability to do EXACTLY what you are asked to do. Just give me one reference point outside of LA himself that says LA is being given a bum ride - that his athleticism more than compensates for the gains given up by his breakdowns in discipline.

[QUOTE=12thMan][b]How could he go from being the face of the Redskins one year to the butt of the Redskins the next??[/b][/QUOTE]
NO ONE from the organization has disparaged LA's attitude or work ethic. It is clear, to me at least, that the coaches WANT LaVar to play more, that they love his athleticism, but that they just don't trust his ability to play disciplined ball right now.

GW came in believing LaVar could be a big performer for him - I was there draft day 2004 when, in response to a question from the crowd "how will you generate more sacks", Gibbs said he thought the personnel on the roster would be capable of doing that. As Gibbs said this- GW was standing behind him and flashed a hand signal to the crowd - five, six - . These coaches expected LA to play big for them and he, LA, failed to live up to their expectations. It is as simple as that.

Re: Just Play Me!!
 

If the man is saying he's not getting any reps in practice, then how is he going to get the assignments down. It would be a different story if he was getting the reps and then the coacheds saying "hes just not getting it" I love the Redskins, Joe and love what GW is doing with the D. I am only saying what was heard on 980, about the coaching staff lying. There is always going to be alot of he said this and that, but if you look at what happened to Coles, when he voiced his displessure, hes gone, Ramsey the same thing. Joe couldn't wait for something to happen to put Brunnell in. Now we have gotten the better end of those two deals, assumming Brunell keeps playing good football, which I think he will. However, there will be one of these episodes that bites us in the butt, and this may be one of them. The players aren't going to get caught up in saying GW should play this guy or that guy, they dont want to lose their jobs or create a divided locker room. which I give them credit for. The biggest thing I have heard is Marcus saying LaVar is a playmaker, and they could use that on the field. Its simple, if a guy has been to 3 pro bowls, continually adjusting to 5 different defenses in 5 seasons. Making HUGE adjustments in Marvin Lewis's D then I dont see how this is any different. If Sterling Sharpe breaks down two plays against Chicago, and shows LaVar out of position, show me two plays of the 40 or so the defense is on the field and lets see if Marcus is out of position on any of those. or Sean Taylor, or Holdman, Daniels. I find it hard to believe that those guys are in position every single play of every single game. Wasn't the two long runs from Bell attributed to guys being out of position? I know you are going to say, well of those two plays LaVar is out of position, look Sterling, you , me and everyone else does not know where LaVar was suppose to be on those particular plays, only the coaches and LaVar. I know if week 1, of the few plays he was in, he made more tackles than Holdman has made in two weeks. Now to make tackles you have to be in position, or running the play down across the field. Lets face it, alot of us want LaVar to play and for some unknown reason(understanding the D isn't one of them) he isn't. We all better hope if he goes somewhere else, its in the AFC.

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[QUOTE=Southpaw]As far as your first point, obviously Bill Gates isn't personally responsible for Microsoft tech support, just as Snyder isn't directly responsible for all the Redskins merchandise and TV shows, I just used his name to make the statement more relatable. And I said that no one can force him to offer tech support, but he does it to make his customers happy. If you think him cutting off tech support and updates would have no effect on the Microsoft bottom line, you're crazy.
[/QUOTE]

MS offers tech support cause it makes them more money, cusstomer satisfaction does mean much compared to profits. If you think they offer tech support for the love of their customers instead of because of its profitability, THAT'S crazy.

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#56, like ramsey, he got reps, and he didn't show what he needed to in the few plays he did get. Now that he's in a no rep situation, he'll have to wait his turn to get another shot.

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[QUOTE=That Guy]MS offers tech support cause it makes them more money, cusstomer satisfaction does mean much compared to profits. If you think they offer tech support for the love of their customers instead of because of its profitability, THAT'S crazy.[/QUOTE]

Ugh, we could argue this point all day, but I only used Microsoft as a comparable business analogy, and we're basically saying the same thing. Yes, Microsoft does offer tech support and updates to make more money, but it's not because they charge for tech support directly. Anyone who buys the product and registers it gets free tech support. They do this to keep customers happy and buying their products in the future.

The Redskins organization does basically the same thing when they offer us little bits of information when we want to know why our favorite players aren't on the field. Gibbs told us Ramsey wasn't the starter anymore because Brunell gave them a better chance to win. Many of us were pissed about that and disagreed, but wow, Brunell proved us wrong. Well now they're trying to tell us Holdman is a better linebacker than LaVar, which anyone with half a brain knows isn't the case. None of you devout Gibbs and Williams followers can even bring yourselves to say that.

And as I said before if they're so afraid that LaVar is going to be the sole reason the Redskins lose games, why doesn't every corner or safety get benched when they get beat for a touchdown? Why wasn't Portis benched when he fumbled early in the game last week, which can be argued, "lost us the game"? So in spite of all the differing information that continues to surface, if you can still believe that LaVar was basically the[b] only [/b]defensive player who didn't touch the field on any defensive play or special teams play because of his on field performance, I commend your conviction.

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I really get a kick out of a lot of you guys!!! This is a hall of fame coaching staff and they know exactly what they are doing and how they want it done. Everyone forgets this offseason when LA was upset because we brought him back to soon. OK, he may be 100% now but he missed a lot of training camp and conditioning. He should be getting where he needs to be shape wise. All this trade and release talk of LA is rediculous. He's not going anywhere!!! He just signed a new contract in the offseason. IMO, this all boils down to him not reaching incentives in the contract and for him not to make the pro bowl this year. We don't want him to get his two pro bowls so fast so he can opt to leave. Did anyone see the pressure he put on Matt H. when he was flushed to LA's side and LA was on him like he stole something. Matt H. ended up throwing the ball away but it was an errant pass; possible turnover. We don't want to give that up, believe me. When LA can't make it to the pro bowl we will see more of him. IMO

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[QUOTE=JoeRedskin]Well, you kill me. How out of touch can you be?? ALL OF SUDDEN? Jesus F'ing christ, LA has ALWAYS been a freelancer - even at Penn State. Remember Marvin Lewis?? Or how about how LA and the rest of the LB's just sorta did their own thing under Edwards? LA is incapable of playing disciplined football. Show me one reporter/analyst/player or coach who has complimented LA on his disciplined play. I have been reading about LA's inability to play disciplined ball in ANY system since the time immemorial. Apparently, the current set of coaches simply aren't gonna put up with it.


First, although a pro bowler, and capable of big plays, LaVar was never considered "one of the most dominant linebackers in the game". He always bordered on being recognized around the league as such, but something seemed to hold him back in the view of players from other teams (hmmmmm ... wonder what it could have been).


Yes. I thought I explained the logic of it in my previous post. Simply put: Until you demonstrate your ability to play within the system, you will be given LESS not MORE responsibility.


By demonstrating in practice and in games your inability to do EXACTLY what you are asked to do. Just give me one reference point outside of LA himself that says LA is being given a bum ride - that his athleticism more than compensates for the gains given up by his breakdowns in discipline.


NO ONE from the organization has disparaged LA's attitude or work ethic. It is clear, to me at least, that the coaches WANT LaVar to play more, that they love his athleticism, but that they just don't trust his ability to play disciplined ball right now.

GW came in believing LaVar could be a big performer for him - I was there draft day 2004 when, in response to a question from the crowd "how will you generate more sacks", Gibbs said he thought the personnel on the roster would be capable of doing that. As Gibbs said this- GW was standing behind him and flashed a hand signal to the crowd - five, six - . These coaches expected LA to play big for them and he, LA, failed to live up to their expectations. It is as simple as that.[/QUOTE]

Good work. However, I don't totally buy he's not in because he's incapable of playing within or picking up the system. Time will tell....and we'll all be happy and continue to love the Skins.

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From the Mortensen chat on ESPN:


[b]Oz (D.C.):[/b] Mort, what's the deal with Lavar and the Skins coaching staff? They say he's being benched fro practicing poorly but he says he doesn't get reps in practice! I find it hard to believe but is this punishment for his contract dispute?

[img]http://espn-att.starwave.com/i/sn2.gif[/img] [b]Chris Mortensen: [/b][i](11:14 AM ET )[/i] I believe it's a bit of everything - contract, his unwillingness to play within the system, not attending one off-season workout (or so I heard), etc.

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[QUOTE=BigRed]From the Mortensen chat on ESPN:


[b]Oz (D.C.):[/b] Mort, what's the deal with Lavar and the Skins coaching staff? They say he's being benched fro practicing poorly but he says he doesn't get reps in practice! I find it hard to believe but is this punishment for his contract dispute?

[img]http://espn-att.starwave.com/i/sn2.gif[/img] [b]Chris Mortensen: [/b][i](11:14 AM ET )[/i] I believe it's a bit of everything - contract, his unwillingness to play within the system, not attending one off-season workout (or so I heard), etc.[/QUOTE]

I can buy that.

Perhaps there are multiple issues as Mort says, either way the staff has their justified reasons.

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[QUOTE=#56fanatic]If the man is saying he's not getting any reps in practice, then how is he going to get the assignments down.[/QUOTE]
Can you get it through your hard damn head that maybe JUST F*&^ING MAYBE Lavar is full of sh*t and actaully does get a reasonable amount of snaps? You take his saying that he doesn't as gospel. Open your eyes man! Can't you see you're being snowed by your emotions on this one. I love Lavar as a player too but I'd be willing to bet he wouldn't feel he was getting enough reps unless he was getting EVERY REP. His definition of enough reps and the coaches is probably vastly different. If you want to argue he isn't getting enough reps don't do it solely based on what Lavar says. We really have no reason to believe anything he says since as Matty pointed out "Lavar is always the victim".

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Anyone else think #56fanatic might actually be Lavar? ;)

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[QUOTE=FRPLG]Anyone else think #56fanatic might actually be Lavar? ;)[/QUOTE]

I totally think #56 is LaVar.

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If LaVar is here perhaps that's his problem, too much Warpath and not enough work!

I think we all can relate!

LOL