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[QUOTE=irish][QUOTE=LadyT]

Andy Polen ran the numbers on yesterday's Sports Reporters show on WTEM concerning LA being a big turnovers guy and the numbers show he is not the turnover guy the fans think he is. He has about 3 INTs for his career and in the year he played 14 games for Marty he had zero forced fumbles. The bottom line is that LA is not the turnover machine he is perceived to be.

That said I do think he should be in the game for more than 2 special teams plays.[/QUOTE]

If I recall, didn't he lead the team in tackles for at least 1 or 2 years or else he was the #2 tackler for a year or two? He also is one of the few players we have right now who has proven he can get to the QB. Right now, I will gladly take someone, anyone who can get to the QB.

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T-minus 9mins till Lavar gets on 980am and starts crying again.......

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I am sure somebody will post his comments, but just in case PLEASE POST HIS COMMENTS!! I am in Charlotte NC and cant listen to the show.


Stats from last year. LaVar first two games, 15 tackles 1 sack. this year Holdman 5 games, 12 tackles, no sacks. boy, what a stud!

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Interesting comments on NFL.com. scroll down to week 6 hits, the ananlyst says its personal and then quotes trent green, "the mans a beast" then quotes Gonzales "they would be alot better if he was on the field" "he is one of the best LB in the game" Coming from people that have faced him or atleast play the game realize what a mistake it is for him to be sitting the bench.

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Well if Trent Green says put him in than what are we waiting for?????? If only we could fire Gibbs and have Trent and Tony G coach us up!

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Greetings Redskin fans! I, like many others have read SO MUCH BS over the Lavar thing, and the Brunell/Ramsey thing, and whatever the latest "thing" is. Basically, continously second guessing the coaching staff. It should be noted the media generally blows this stuff up as they get paid to generate stories. The more controversial, the better, etc. They are not qualified to be a coach. We, as fans can certainly have any opinion we desire (however wrong it may be), but we are not qualified to be coach's. The players make great players, but they are not qualified to be coach's.
The list of people above, and many more would be qualified to coach if they could answer some of the following positively:

1) I have participated in four or more Super bowls (Y) (N)

2) I have won three or more Super Bowls (Y) (N)

3) I have been a head/assistant head with a NFL FB team (Y) (N)

3) I have.............well you get the idea.

Our coach's ONLY do things for the good of the team. There is no other reasonable position with any foundation. They will do basically ANYTHING to win. I, like you, would have it no other way!!! We as fans, media, etc. are not privy to ANYTHING "they" don't want us to know. Our coach's have delivered a COMPETATIVE team, the media now calls "for real". We are in a dogfight for dominance in the NFC East. We have been a joke in the media for much of the time Gibbs and his team have been gone. They are delivering. Sit back and enjoy the ride. The momentum is building. The problems we are having are normal growing pains, nothing more.

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[QUOTE=FirstandTen]Well if Trent Green says put him in than what are we waiting for?????? If only we could fire Gibbs and have Trent and Tony G coach us up![/QUOTE]

Thats pretty funny!! I was just trying to say that other players, even other teams know how good LaVar is and that he would make a difference in the defensive performance. But, I do like your responce, who knows, Trent Green may be a very good coach one day.

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[QUOTE=Hog1]Greetings Redskin fans! I, like many others have read SO MUCH BS over the Lavar thing, and the Brunell/Ramsey thing, and whatever the latest "thing" is. Basically, continously second guessing the coaching staff. It should be noted the media generally blows this stuff up as they get paid to generate stories. The more controversial, the better, etc. They are not qualified to be a coach. We, as fans can certainly have any opinion we desire (however wrong it may be), but we are not qualified to be coach's. The players make great players, but they are not qualified to be coach's.
The list of people above, and many more would be qualified to coach if they could answer some of the following positively:

1) I have participated in four or more Super bowls (Y) (N)

2) I have won three or more Super Bowls (Y) (N)

3) I have been a head/assistant head with a NFL FB team (Y) (N)

3) I have.............well you get the idea.

Our coach's ONLY do things for the good of the team. There is no other reasonable position with any foundation. They will do basically ANYTHING to win. I, like you, would have it no other way!!! We as fans, media, etc. are not privy to ANYTHING "they" don't want us to know. Our coach's have delivered a COMPETATIVE team, the media now calls "for real". We are in a dogfight for dominance in the NFC East. We have been a joke in the media for much of the time Gibbs and his team have been gone. They are delivering. Sit back and enjoy the ride. The momentum is building. The problems we are having are normal growing pains, nothing more.[/QUOTE]


THANK YOU!

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[QUOTE=Hog1]Greetings Redskin fans! I, like many others have read SO MUCH BS over the Lavar thing, and the Brunell/Ramsey thing, and whatever the latest "thing" is. Basically, continously second guessing the coaching staff. It should be noted the media generally blows this stuff up as they get paid to generate stories. The more controversial, the better, etc. They are not qualified to be a coach. We, as fans can certainly have any opinion we desire (however wrong it may be), but we are not qualified to be coach's. The players make great players, but they are not qualified to be coach's.
The list of people above, and many more would be qualified to coach if they could answer some of the following positively:

1) I have participated in four or more Super bowls (Y) (N)

2) I have won three or more Super Bowls (Y) (N)

3) I have been a head/assistant head with a NFL FB team (Y) (N)

3) I have.............well you get the idea.

Our coach's ONLY do things for the good of the team. There is no other reasonable position with any foundation. They will do basically ANYTHING to win. I, like you, would have it no other way!!! We as fans, media, etc. are not privy to ANYTHING "they" don't want us to know. Our coach's have delivered a COMPETATIVE team, the media now calls "for real". We are in a dogfight for dominance in the NFC East. We have been a joke in the media for much of the time Gibbs and his team have been gone. They are delivering. Sit back and enjoy the ride. The momentum is building. The problems we are having are normal growing pains, nothing more.[/QUOTE]

I am enjoying the ride, its great that we are winning. But would it really be Redskin football if there wasn't a controversy? It has always been that way from the QBs, to the WR, RB, and now LBs. I wish people would understand(I am not saying anyones opinions are wrong) that the NFL is a business and people who screw around with their bosses get screwed. Just like anywhere else in America. Just because the NFL is a sport doesn't mean this can't happen to you. Coles was going to have the same thing happen to him if we didn't get offered the trade for Moss. dont you remember the blow up from Dan, saying you will not see the field, you will be sitting home watching the game on the Plasma I am sending to you. this game is about business as much as it is about sport. Its awful and I dont agree with it, but thats what we have made it. There is no loyalty from anyone in this game. from the owners to the players, the media and us fans too. We were quick to throw Brunell under the bus last year, and now he is OUR GUY!!. When coaches from around the league, GMS(who put teams together, and select talent) so called experts, media, other players from our team and other teams acknowledge the fact that there is something going on with this whole situation other than football knowledge and skill, you have to start wondering. these guys are far more involved in this game than we can ever imagine, and they hear alot more stuff that we do. I just want people to accept the fact the NFL and Gibbs and Co. and not above making "business decisions" rather than decisions that are for the betterment of our "REDSKINS"

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am enjoying the ride, its great that we are winning. But would it really be Redskin football if there wasn't a controversy? It has always been that way from the QBs, to the WR, RB, and now LBs. I wish people would understand(I am not saying anyones opinions are wrong) that the NFL is a business and people who screw around with their bosses get screwed. Just like anywhere else in America. Just because the NFL is a sport doesn't mean this can't happen to you. Coles was going to have the same thing happen to him if we didn't get offered the trade for Moss. dont you remember the blow up from Dan, saying you will not see the field, you will be sitting home watching the game on the Plasma I am sending to you. this game is about business as much as it is about sport. Its awful and I dont agree with it, but thats what we have made it. There is no loyalty from anyone in this game. from the owners to the players, the media and us fans too. We were quick to throw Brunell under the bus last year, and now he is OUR GUY!!. When coaches from around the league, GMS(who put teams together, and select talent) so called experts, media, other players from our team and other teams acknowledge the fact that there is something going on with this whole situation other than football knowledge and skill, you have to start wondering. these guys are far more involved in this game than we can ever imagine, and they hear alot more stuff that we do. I just want people to accept the fact the NFL and Gibbs and Co. and not above making "business decisions" rather than decisions that are for the betterment of our "REDSKINS"

I don't disagree #56fanatic. I acknowledge, sadly, it is a business and Lavar could end up a casualty. I miss the days of players having a career with one team. I do not believe that is the case. As I understand it, there is basically no way for the skins to deal him and come out on top. His cap hit is in the area of 10m for 2006. If they try to dump him, it gets worse. The only real avenue is to try to renegotiate his contract and play him. My only real point is, Gibbs and company are making it happen. Not since his last tenure have we done what we are doing now. They are delivering. Why all the CONSTANT unrest. They know what they are doing, let them do it. Why do we not enter the cockpit on a commercial airline flight and debate flight tactics with the pilot?

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[QUOTE=FirstandTen]Well if Trent Green says put him in than what are we waiting for?????? If only we could fire Gibbs and have Trent and Tony G coach us up![/QUOTE]


Hey, some jerkoff named Greg something said we'd be better if he was on the field only last year. Good thing that guys not the freaking coach or anything. What was that guy's last name?... Willard...Wilkins.....Wilders......... I can't remember.

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I don't care what GW says. He is the coach, if he wants to win he should find a way to get Lavar to do what he wants. Whether it is by doing some Kung Fu master vs grasshopper shit, or some other insipation. I mean he is the coach and Lavar is the player.
Everyone ignores the fact Lavar was a pro bowler, and got sacks even when he played on shitty D's. Holdman is not better then Lavar, never will be. If he doesn't make the plays when he is in position than who cares. You could train a PhD student to line up in the right places but when his ass gets blown up each snap he ain't shit. GW has beef with Lavar, Lavar is doubting himself GW is creating derision amongst the ranks....play your fucking stars it can only help you.
He has nothing to lose starting Lavar either he shines and we can utilize him or fizzles and we can move on and he can tell everyone I told you so.
I think GW is an excellent D coordinator but he needs to be a coach for a second, and get the most out of the roster.

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As much as I love Lavar, there must be something going on there as even Marvin Lewis exclaimed "Do you think it is fun coaching Lavar." I love Lavar, but I think that it has reached the time for the Redskins to bring in an outside mediator to iron out some of these differences. If we make an exception for Lavar then the whole element of "team" is compromised. He can not be an exception to the rules of the team. IMO

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[QUOTE=skinsfan0201]As much as I love Lavar, there must be something going on there as even Marvin Lewis exclaimed "Do you think it is fun coaching Lavar." I love Lavar, but I think that it has reached the time for the Redskins to bring in an outside mediator to iron out some of these differences. If we make an exception for Lavar then the whole element of "team" is compromised. He can not be an exception to the rules of the team. IMO[/QUOTE]


I agree that no player is bigger than the team, but I just wanna know what he's doing do deserve this assumtion. Williams himself recently said he has a great team-first attitude. I doubt he wouldve said that if it didn't translate over even on the practice field. Do you think if he was "freelancing" and blowind assignments in practice that GW would say he had a team first attitude. I think that would translate into a "me first" kind of attitude.

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i've been trying not to add fuel to the fire on this topic. but this is rediculous.

i know its probably absurd to say but the only thing that makes sense is that snyder has benched lavar. kinda like what davis did the marcus allen.

this is a healthy 3 time probowler in the prime of his career and he cant get on the field with 2 marginal linebackers ahead of him(marshall at MLB and Holdman OLB).

there were reports last year that snyder told Coles that he was going to bench him for the rest of his career or something like that.

I like williams, but i cant beleive a proven all pro cant get on the field...

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sorry for the double post, but

would the redskins have won a superbowl if they benched riggins?

what about gary clark, alvin walton, dexter manley, wilber marshall....

i know its hard to freelance on offence, clark and riggins were characters that did their own thing at times and came up huge in the clutch.


i understand the whole concept of a "team scheme" but no one will tell me that Phillip daniels and Wynn are better defensive ends on 3rd and 10 than lavar. you cant waste that kind of talent. if he is a free lancer, atleast use him on situations where he has one role(KILL THE GOD DAMN QUARTERBACK).

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[QUOTE=jamf]sorry for the double post, but

would the redskins have won a superbowl if they benched riggins?

what about gary clark, alvin walton, dexter manley, wilber marshall....

i know its hard to freelance on offence, clark and riggins were characters that did their own thing at times and came up huge in the clutch.


i understand the whole concept of a "team scheme" but no one will tell me that Phillip daniels and Wynn are better defensive ends on 3rd and 10 than lavar. you cant waste that kind of talent. if he is a free lancer, atleast use him on situations where he has one role(KILL THE GOD DAMN QUARTERBACK).[/QUOTE]


I am glad you said this, when Gibbs wanted Riggins everyone was worried about his attitude the its my way or no way. And Gibbs has always had the knack of getting through to players that in others peoples eyes are trouble. Dexter Manley is a prime example. Former player always say what a great motivator Gibbs is, he gets the most and even more for players.
Another good point was the guy that said Holdman is so bad that if he is in position, his ass is getting blown up and taken out of the play. That has been my sticking point with all this crap. Who cares if Holdman is in position, the fact is he has 12 FREAKIN TACKLES in 5 games,(and not only him)but majority of the big plays we are giving up, the screen, some of the long runs in the Seattle game, Denver and KC all have been to the right side of defense. I am not saying LaVar would have stopped them all, but I would bet he would have stopped more big plays than sorry ass Holdman has. Again, 12 tackles in 5 games, thats being in position!! LaVar last year in first two games, 15 tackles, 1 sack, thats being out of position!!.

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This whole "freelance" thing is way out of proportion, IMO. Does he freelance? Sure he does. Really, has LaVar become so inept that he can't get in on one down for two consecutive games?

We've gone through a page thread explaining and giving theories on why a Pro-Bowl linebacker won't play because he can't play within or pick-up the system.

I love Gregg Williams and coach Gibbs....but is LaVar that incapable?

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From PFW: [url]http://www.profootballweekly.com/PFW/The+Way+We+Hear+It/default.htm?mode=nfceast[/url]

[quote]Some very revealing thoughts from a personnel director to PFW on the LaVar Arrington situation: “The key to Gregg Williams’ defense is discipline. The only way that unit can win is if everyone is playing 100 percent disciplined football. They have a few core guys — Sean Taylor, Marcus Washington, Cornelius Griffin, Shawn Springs — but the rest are just role players. LaVar’s problem is that he has never been disciplined. He has never been a worker. He’s a street player who doesn’t study. If you surround him with enough good players, he can fit into your defense. But the Redskins’ defensive coaching staff is a very talented group. Greg Blache is an excellent defensive line coach. (DB coach) DeWayne Walker is an outstanding teacher. They are all very good teachers. They preach fundamentals and have their guys in the right position.” And this: “LaVar has been told countless times what he needs to do. Instead, he is running his mouth in the media. Shut your mouth and open up your playbook. Show some awareness. Know where you fit. Know where to line up. When he recognizes he is just a cog in the wheel, not the wheel he has always saw himself as being and thinks he is — he’ll see the field. Until he proves he won’t make any mental mistakes, all he’ll be is the miserable malcontent he has been all year. And to be frank, if he doesn’t shut his mouth, he may be subjected to the treatment Keyshawn Johnson was a couple of years ago.” Johnson was suspended by the Buccaneers for the final six games of the 2003 season for disciplinary reasons.
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[QUOTE=Mattyk72]From PFW: [url="http://www.profootballweekly.com/PFW/The+Way+We+Hear+It/default.htm?mode=nfceast"]http://www.profootballweekly.com/PFW/The+Way+We+Hear+It/default.htm?mode=nfceast[/url][/QUOTE]

good post...I just think there's two heads to this coin though.

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[QUOTE=12thMan]good post...I just think there's two heads to this coin though.[/QUOTE]

Of course there is, but it just seems like the LaVar supporters are so convinced there is no logical reason as to why he's not playing.

There needs to be a middle ground. There are great arguments to both sides.

I've said that it's hard to think he couldn't at the least be helping out in 3rd downs as a DE. Perhaps this is where the punishment side comes in to play. I do think that the coaches aren't happy with how outspoken LaVar has been at times, and they're sending him a message that he needs to shut the heck up. Gibbs' teams have always been built around the notion that the team comes first... they're obviously not convinced he's bought in to this hook, line and sinker.

It's interesting to look back on when Lewis ran the D. The common thought at that time was that Lewis was trying to make LaVar a more well rounded player, when it now appears he was trying to hide his deficiencies as a LB by putting him at DE where he could least hurt the overall scheme. Lewis clearly did not trust his coverage abilities and his willingness to play within the system, so he stuck him at DE and let him "freelance" there where it wouldn't hurt the D.

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Greg Williams has a very good defensive scheme but he needs to get off his high-horse about this Levar Arrington issue. He needs to give Levar an opportunity to win back his starting position. Sitting on the bench is not going to get it. He puts Clemons in on 3rd down situations and I'm not seeing any preesure from him. Why not Levar? The worst he could do is not put pressure on the quarterback, just like Clemons. I think its personal. If he puts Levar in and he makes a big play, the excuses for not playing him cease. Thats Williams biggest fear. Put Levar into the game! The fan reaction will let you know where the fans stand. It will be one of the biggest roars! FREE LEVAR!

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[QUOTE=jacobyfan]Can you provide a reference for this?[/QUOTE]

I read earlier in the year that GW was making noise about becoming a head coach, but haven't been able to find the article. Without any reference, it just becomes my personal opinion.

I can see how LaVar's freelancing might hurt the team, and GW is extremely anal about players sticking to their assignments. Hopefully the coaches find some middle ground in the coming weeks, after going 3-1 in our first four game stretch and already 0-1 going into the 2nd quarter of our season we've got to find a way to force some turnovers to give our offense a short field and better opportunities to score points. But it's up to the coaches to decide who plays, so I'll just keep on hoping that LaVar does whatever he has to do to hit the field because I think he can make a difference.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72]Of course there is, but it just seems like the LaVar supporters are so convinced there is no logical reason as to why he's not playing.

There needs to be a middle ground. There are great arguments to both sides.

I've said that it's hard to think he couldn't at the least be helping out in 3rd downs as a DE. Perhaps this is where the punishment side comes in to play. I do think that the coaches aren't happy with how outspoken LaVar has been at times, and they're sending him a message that he needs to shut the heck up. Gibbs' teams have always been built around the notion that the team comes first... they're obviously not convinced he's bought in to this hook, line and sinker.

It's interesting to look back on when Lewis ran the D. The common thought at that time was that Lewis was trying to make LaVar a more well rounded player, when it now appears he was trying to hide his deficiencies as a LB by putting him at DE where he could least hurt the overall scheme. Lewis clearly did not trust his coverage abilities and his willingness to play within the system, so he stuck him at DE and let him "freelance" there where it wouldn't hurt the D.[/QUOTE]

Maybe with him asking to not talk about his playing time on the last show he was interviewed on, he's starting to compromise with the coaching staff (I can only hope).

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72]Of course there is, but it just seems like the LaVar supporters are so convinced there is no logical reason as to why he's not playing.

There needs to be a middle ground. There are great arguments to both sides.

I've said that it's hard to think he couldn't at the least be helping out in 3rd downs as a DE. Perhaps this is where the punishment side comes in to play. I do think that the coaches aren't happy with how outspoken LaVar has been at times, and they're sending him a message that he needs to shut the heck up. Gibbs' teams have always been built around the notion that the team comes first... they're obviously not convinced he's bought in to this hook, line and sinker.

It's interesting to look back on when Lewis ran the D. The common thought at that time was that Lewis was trying to make LaVar a more well rounded player, when it now appears he was trying to hide his deficiencies as a LB by putting him at DE where he could least hurt the overall scheme. Lewis clearly did not trust his coverage abilities and his willingness to play within the system, so he stuck him at DE and let him "freelance" there where it wouldn't hurt the D.[/QUOTE]


I dunno, when coaches are so adamant about the "system" and don't adjust to their players I think they set themselves up for failure. I love GW's system, but wouldn't it work better with better players? That's why I think it's personal, if you're going to put a linebacker at rush end why go with Clemons over Arrington? Plenty of guys have missed assignments, but normally when LaVar does the quarterback ends up paying for it rather than the Skins. All home run hitters strike out sometime, but don't the ends (increased qb pressure -> increased turnovers -> increased wins) justify the means.

I think everything I've heard from Arrington suggests he's a team guy, and I remain convinced that his role will increase this season. Hopefully the coaches don't wait until it's too late.

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Yea I really don,t get it. How can Lavar just sit there. There has to be somthing he can d to help our D.
G.W and J.G are trying to show the team,league and Arrington that this is a new era with the Redskins and they call ALL the shots period.[I](Logic being.If they can bench Lavar with his fat contract.They can bench anyone!So you better watch your ASS!)[/I] I agree with the concept. I just hope there not hurting the team's win loss record this season in the process.

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[QUOTE=TheMalcolmConnection]Maybe with him asking to not talk about his playing time on the last show he was interviewed on, he's starting to compromise with the coaching staff (I can only hope).[/QUOTE]

That's what I'm thinking too, perhaps he's finally getting it that he needs to shut the hell up.

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This is what I was wondering: Given Williams proven worth, LaVar's proven playmaking ability and LaVar's (not proven 'cause we don't know what his assignment is for a given play ... but there is enough circumstantial eveidence) freelancing - the only thing that I see that parallels LAs reduction of playing time is our corners being hurt.

That would lead me to deduce that Williams is unwilling to take any additional risk with out having Springs and Harris healthy. The other side of this assessment is that after Rodgers we are weak enough at CB that Williams dosent feel he has the flexibilty to gamble.

I have thought our recent weakness to the big play has been due to having Springs and/or Harris out for the past three weeks. It will be very interesting to see if when they are both healthy how we fair vs the big play. If I had to guess, LA's playing time will follow our CB's health until he get more discipline.

BTW- LA showed an attitide far different even from the begining of the year on the John Thompsen show. Props to LA for maturing.

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I think a pretty good example of this situation is to compare what Lawrence Taylor use to do with the Giants. In no way am I comparing the two as far on the field performance, but this is what we drafted LaVar to be. A difference maker. Now we all know what a head case LT use to be in his day , and what a freelancing person he was. He would line up over the end and go get who ever had the ball. I know as a skins fan, I use to hate playing the Giants then because of LT. that is what teams USE to do with us, and it was just LaVar. Now you have Washington and Taylor with him. What a nightmare it would be to plan against 3 quality playmakers. I would think, that as much of a "genious" GW has been made out to be, he would utilize this rate talent (6-4, 250lbs or so, and runs like a safety and hits like a truck) to the best of the teams ability.

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[QUOTE=hail_2_da_skins]Greg Williams has a very good defensive scheme but he needs to get off his high-horse about this Levar Arrington issue. He needs to give Levar an opportunity to win back his starting position. Sitting on the bench is not going to get it. He puts Clemons in on 3rd down situations and I'm not seeing any preesure from him. Why not Levar? The worst he could do is not put pressure on the quarterback, just like Clemons. I think its personal. If he puts Levar in and he makes a big play, the excuses for not playing him cease. Thats Williams biggest fear. Put Levar into the game! The fan reaction will let you know where the fans stand. It will be one of the biggest roars! FREE LEVAR![/QUOTE]
Thats the best one I've read yet. Williams won't play Lavar because he is scared Lavar is going to make a big play for the team. I think your on to something, now we know why they didn't let Ramsey back in the game because they were scared he might make a big play. Hall's not hurt either they are just scared he might make a big play.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72]That's what I'm thinking too, perhaps he's finally getting it that he needs to shut the hell up.[/QUOTE]

Would you be able to shut the HELL UP??? I dont think he should at all....this williams is a little dictator..I don't give a damn what he says having LaVar on the bench while scrubs that other teams didnt want start in front of him as he sits on the bench is crazy beyond belief!!!!!!!!!!

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[QUOTE=hail_2_da_skins]Greg Williams has a very good defensive scheme but he needs to get off his high-horse about this Levar Arrington issue. He needs to give Levar an opportunity to win back his starting position. Sitting on the bench is not going to get it. He puts Clemons in on 3rd down situations and I'm not seeing any preesure from him. Why not Levar? The worst he could do is not put pressure on the quarterback, just like Clemons. I think its personal. If he puts Levar in and he makes a big play, the excuses for not playing him cease. Thats Williams biggest fear. Put Levar into the game! The fan reaction will let you know where the fans stand. It will be one of the biggest roars! FREE LEVAR![/QUOTE]


DEAD ON!!!!!! he has put his silly little pride ahead of winning....

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[QUOTE=Kope]This is what I was wondering: Given Williams proven worth, LaVar's proven playmaking ability and LaVar's (not proven 'cause we don't know what his assignment is for a given play ... but there is enough circumstantial eveidence) freelancing - the only thing that I see that parallels LAs reduction of playing time is our corners being hurt.

That would lead me to deduce that Williams is unwilling to take any additional risk with out having Springs and Harris healthy. The other side of this assessment is that after Rodgers we are weak enough at CB that Williams dosent feel he has the flexibilty to gamble.

I have thought our recent weakness to the big play has been due to having Springs and/or Harris out for the past three weeks. It will be very interesting to see if when they are both healthy how we fair vs the big play. If I had to guess, LA's playing time will follow our CB's health until he get more discipline.

BTW- LA showed an attitide far different even from the begining of the year on the John Thompsen show. Props to LA for maturing.[/QUOTE]

Great point that holds a lot of merit.

Bravo for a level headed post.

Re: (Merged Threads) LaVar Arrington and Gregg Williams
 

What has been somewhat lost in the LaVar debate is the fact that we still have a top rated defense. Take away...ohh....two or three of those big plays and we could be number two easily.

Additionally, last year Pitt and Buffalo were statistically ahead of us, so far this year our defense is better.

Re: (Merged Threads) LaVar Arrington and Gregg Williams
 

[QUOTE=Kope]This is what I was wondering: Given Williams proven worth, LaVar's proven playmaking ability and LaVar's (not proven 'cause we don't know what his assignment is for a given play ... but there is enough circumstantial eveidence) freelancing - the only thing that I see that parallels LAs reduction of playing time is our corners being hurt.

That would lead me to deduce that Williams is unwilling to take any additional risk with out having Springs and Harris healthy. The other side of this assessment is that after Rodgers we are weak enough at CB that Williams dosent feel he has the flexibilty to gamble.

I have thought our recent weakness to the big play has been due to having Springs and/or Harris out for the past three weeks. It will be very interesting to see if when they are both healthy how we fair vs the big play. If I had to guess, LA's playing time will follow our CB's health until he get more discipline.

BTW- LA showed an attitide far different even from the begining of the year on the John Thompsen show. Props to LA for maturing.[/QUOTE]


Makes perfect sense to me. Having Springs back will give us a big lift..not to mention Clark as well. Once our secondary is healthy again, then I can definitely understand taking some chances at LB.

Funny, but for all the newly acquired Gregg Williams haters, take away those three big plays and look how solid this defense has been WITHOUT Lavar Arrington.

Re: (Merged Threads) LaVar Arrington and Gregg Williams
 

[QUOTE=skinsguy]Makes perfect sense to me. Having Springs back will give us a big lift..not to mention Clark as well. Once our secondary is healthy again, then I can definitely understand taking some chances at LB.

Funny, but for all the newly acquired Gregg Williams haters, take away those three big plays and look how solid this defense has been WITHOUT Lavar Arrington.[/QUOTE]

Good defense but 2 losses in a row as the offense is playing better..they never gave up big plays last year... Solid yeah but teams are making bigger plays each week... they have no qb pressure whatso ever.... isn't that how he made his name???? Qb's have all day back there... we haven't seen any great qb's wait till u see the Mc Nabb's and Mannings and such you give those boys all day back there they will eat ur A_s Alive... your secondary just cant cover that long...but i will give those incredible Lb's a positive they are in their proper spots... and they are there on on the ground as they run by their butts too!!! I wanna see some folks run over Lavar.... yeah right!!!!!

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What I can't figure out is how so many people know what is going on in the Lavar situation. No one knows whats going on so to say Williams is putting the team second and does not care if we lose is crazy. If you think that is true than your saying Gibbs is doing the same thing sence hes the head coach and I would find that very hard to believe. Its the same argument made in the Brunell/Ramsey situation that the only reason Brunell is playing is because he was Gibbs hand picked QB and they gave him such a huge contract. We now know why he made that decision and it has turned out to be the correct one. So lets not jump to conclusions.

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[QUOTE=railcon56@comcast.net]Good defense but 2 losses in a row as the offense is playing better..they never gave up big plays last year... Solid yeah but teams are making bigger plays each week... they have no qb pressure whatso ever.... isn't that how he made his name???? Qb's have all day back there... we haven't seen any great qb's wait till u see the Mc Nabb's and Mannings and such you give those boys all day back there they will eat ur A_s Alive... your secondary just cant cover that long...but i will give those incredible Lb's a positive they are in their proper spots... and they are there on on the ground as they run by their butts too!!! I wanna see some folks run over Lavar.... yeah right!!!!![/QUOTE]I agree but you have to remember with those two losses the O gave up 4 Turn overs 2 in our red zone. Teams did make some big plays on us last year (remember that Dallas Game).

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Just saw this on the Lavar situation from Jason Whitlock on ESPN.com.



5. Redskins owner Daniel Snyder deserves credit for allowing Joe Gibbs to bench LaVar Arrington.

You hear all the horror stories about Snyder being a meddlesome owner who has ruined the Redskins. You never hear the good stuff.

How many NFL owners would let a guy they gave an eight-year, $80 million contract rot on the bench? Even if the guy was a stiff, most owners would demand that a player in Arrington's situation play simply because of the dollars involved.

Arrington, despite a 2004 knee injury, isn't a stiff. He can still do the things that made him a three-time Pro Bowler. Arrington just isn't "assignment sound" enough for Joe Gibbs and defensive coordinator Gregg Williams.

Gibbs and Williams adopted the defensive approach that has been the mainstay of Bill Belichick's New England defenses. Belichick will sacrifice athleticism at linebacker for players who will always fill the right gap.

Here's the link to the entire article. [url]http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=whitlock/051020&num=0[/url]

Re: (Merged Threads) LaVar Arrington and Gregg Williams
 

[QUOTE=memphisskin]Just saw this on the Lavar situation from Jason Whitlock on ESPN.com.



5. Redskins owner Daniel Snyder deserves credit for allowing Joe Gibbs to bench LaVar Arrington.

You hear all the horror stories about Snyder being a meddlesome owner who has ruined the Redskins. You never hear the good stuff.

How many NFL owners would let a guy they gave an eight-year, $80 million contract rot on the bench? Even if the guy was a stiff, most owners would demand that a player in Arrington's situation play simply because of the dollars involved.

Arrington, despite a 2004 knee injury, isn't a stiff. He can still do the things that made him a three-time Pro Bowler. Arrington just isn't "assignment sound" enough for Joe Gibbs and defensive coordinator Gregg Williams.

Gibbs and Williams adopted the defensive approach that has been the mainstay of Bill Belichick's New England defenses. Belichick will sacrifice athleticism at linebacker for players who will always fill the right gap.

Here's the link to the entire article. [url="http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=whitlock/051020&num=0"]http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=whitlock/051020&num=0[/url][/QUOTE]

I don't know, this sounds too rational for me to buy. ;)