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[quote=WilbursHomie;768308]This is the moodiest team I've ever seen. They change from being brilliant to pathetic almost on a drive by drive basis. First half was awesome. [B]And you know what adjustments the Bucs are going to make at half time. But then we don't adjust accordingly to those adjustments and play right into their hands. [/B]Man handled in first half, then not a single first down till half way through the 4th. It's very peculiar to watch.[/quote]

Yeah, I thought about that too. It would have been interesting to see more play action in the second half to throw off whatever changes the Bucs made. But then you'd hear criticisms about going away from what worked.

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[quote=Chico23231;768326]Didnt we get a delay of game penalty coming out of a time out? It was a complete f*ck up by mcnabb and shanny.[/quote]
You are correct they did get a delay of game but as far as the game clock we had planty of time to run our plays. The announcers acted like we ran out of time and had to go for the FG with downs left because of the clock.

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[quote=firstdown;768286]The announcers said we mismanged the clock but we got to run our three plays and try for the FG so waht was actually mismanaged? It didn't look that smooth but we had plenty of time.[/quote]

1) They let the time wind down way too far before calling the timeout

2) got a delay of game after the TO which moved the ball back

3) Didn't williams get out of bounds on his 3rd down run? if he hadn't then the fg unit has to rush out, i.e. they almost created a potential rushed scenario which was totally uncecessary. I know they want to keep the other team from having time, but make sure you give yourself a chance to score first.

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did anyone else notice how sundberg our long snapper was zipping his snaps yesterday? on a punt in the 3rd quarter he zipped the ball and i told my lady "dang that boy really zippin that ball right there". i didnt think much of it as i complained about our weak punt protection a lil earlier, i actually predicted a blocked punt b/c the bucs seemed to be getting good outside penetration. so i didnt think much of it, chalking it up to atleast hes getting the ball back there in a hurry b/c the bucs were coming.

any way the wet turf allows for a speedier take off/snap? less resistance?

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[quote=firstdown;768338]You are correct they did get a delay of game but as far as the game clock we had planty of time to run our plays. The announcers acted like we ran out of time and had to go for the FG with downs left because of the clock.[/quote]

yeah i couldnt understand why the announcers, moose, was going on and on about it. i was starting to make tacos so i wasnt 100% paying attention thoo.

it was 3rd and goal and we let the clock run down to 20 seconds remaining before calling our last timeout.

i dont understand why we got the delay of game thoo. was there something wrong with mcnabbs headset? that wouldnt even matter if you called a TO and talked about it unless we wanted to change the play at the LOS.

shanny said something about 2 time outs and he didnt call the second time out or something, his explanation was confusing but i think he was saying someone upstairs wanted to call another timeout which you cant do b/c we didnt have anymore and you cant call 2 in a row. but idk, seemed like there was confusion for sure.

shanny's press conf was a bit confusing

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Man, how the F did the refs miss this?

[url=http://voices.washingtonpost.com/dcsportsbog/2010/12/heres_brian_orakpo_being_held.html]D.C. Sports Bog - Here's Brian Orakpo being held, again[/url]

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[quote=Mattyk;768451]Man, how the F did the refs miss this?

[url=http://voices.washingtonpost.com/dcsportsbog/2010/12/heres_brian_orakpo_being_held.html]D.C. Sports Bog - Here's Brian Orakpo being held, again[/url][/quote]

Wow. Just wow. No hold, no touchdown. Generally I don't like to blame bad reffing, but I am really sick (and I imagine he is more so) of all the no-call holds on Orakpo.

I bet part of the problem is that: 1) The Skins defense sucks so refs aren't going to give it the benefit of the doubt; 2) Orakpo strikes me as a guy who thinks his play should speak for itself and is not out to bitch & moan. Much as I hate to say it, he needs to sit down with the refs and say "Just watch me play, I am held every f'ing down. Please call it once in while or I am going to actually get seriously hurt."

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Little grabs and holds happen on most plays in the NFL, but Rak seems to get these totally blatant clothesline holds way too often. The ref behind the line was looking down field? Why? It's his job to watch the line play, isn't it?? Rak does need to start speaking up a la Bruce Smith style. Get in the ref's ear the first time it happens during a game.

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will be interesting to see Rak up against Dallas again. they don't have anyone that can come close to blocking him 1 on 1 in the pass game. This game might've gotten him some good publicity w/the refs & they may pay more attention come sunday.

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I actually think the team should do more than just complain the first time it happens in a game. I think they should compile a collection of photos of all the times Orakpo has been held all season and send to the league and demand an explanation and correction action going forward. Even if it were limited to the most egregious examples -- like yesterday's -- it would likely make for a pretty compelling presentation. What's troubling is that the way he's being held is actually dangerous to him -- getting and arm across the thoat is no joke. And with all the effort the league is making to protect QBs and otherwise limit injuries, there's a point to make here having nothing to do with allowing the Redskins to compete. Orakpo is simply one of the best in football right now, and his sack numbers/pressures would be through the roof but for these seemingly constant non-calls.

And for the folks who say that these plays aren't enough to make the difference in a game and that the Redskins need to otherwise take care of business, I agree but only to a point. A few well timed sacks or forced fumbles or pressures leading to errant throws are often the only things that separate the very successful teams from those which are not.

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imo the refs werent calling holds yesterday. outside of the sellers holding call on the kick return, they were consistently not calling holding which is all that i ask.

that and i think rak should do a better job of selling the hold but thats a slippery slope id rather avoid by telling rak to keep going 100% and the calls will come.

when shanny was talking to the refs and showing them the image, i thought shanny had a clear rule violation like too many men on the field or illegal formation . . . holding is much more subjective. it now makes sense to me why the head ref came over then quickly walked away. arguing holding is like arguing the strike zone.

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Sure...no one listened to me when I said cut Sundberg in the PRESEASON! Ugh.

Not the first game he's cost us this season. A long-snapper should never be noticed.




OH, and we did NOT get an extra play...the booth guys were just idiots who got confused when the sign guy forgot to change it once. If they were paying attention, they would have caught that. This was no Colorado Buffaloes 5th Down scenario.

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[quote=Mattyk;768451]Man, how the F did the refs miss this?

[URL="http://voices.washingtonpost.com/dcsportsbog/2010/12/heres_brian_orakpo_being_held.html"]D.C. Sports Bog - Here's Brian Orakpo being held, again[/URL][/quote]

Usually don't advocate this, but Rak needs to start retaliating. Someone grabs him by the neck, but an elbow into that lineman so it hurts.

Hey, if he's so invisible, they won't see it, right?

:pffff:

Ridiculous.

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listened to cooley on way home. he said:

- delay of game was b/c call didnt get thru mcnabb's headset. i still dont know why it should have effected play unless they wanted to line up, see what bucs were doing then make a call from there.

- on play before delay of game he said they had a great call but 2 guys blocked the wrong defenders

- on 3rd and goal pass to cooley that fell short in 1st quarter. that he talked to mcnabb who said the bucs changed to a 5 man front before snap, mcnabb thought he was on hot read status, saw color in front of him (during play, i guess that means feeling/seeing pressure while still looking downfield) and thought he had to get rid of it.

- that there are fairweather fans everywhere but the true fans will focus on things to cheer about.

- that he does not apologize for yelling back at skins fan at end of game who yelled something like redskins suck.

ps - im a lavar fan but he is a richard to the infinite degree and has major envy and jealousy issues since he hung up the cleats. and chad and lavar need to stop acting like fan call questions is a torture device, its those 2 schmucks who make it a very uneven disjointed segment of their show.

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[quote=over the mountain;768554]listened to cooley on way home. he said:

- delay of game was b/c call didnt get thru mcnabb's headset. i still dont know why it should have effected play unless they wanted to line up, see what bucs were doing then make a call from there.

- on play before delay of game he said they had a great call but 2 guys blocked the wrong defenders

- on 3rd and goal pass to cooley that fell short in 1st quarter. that he talked to mcnabb who said the bucs changed to a 5 man front before snap, mcnabb thought he was on hot read status, saw color in front of him (during play, i guess that means feeling/seeing pressure while still looking downfield) and thought he had to get rid of it.

- that there are fairweather fans everywhere but the true fans will focus on things to cheer about.

- [B]that he does not apologize for yelling back at skins fan at end of game who yelled something like redskins suck.[/B]

ps - im a lavar fan but he is a richard to the infinite degree and has major envy and jealousy issues since he hung up the cleats. and chad and lavar need to stop acting like fan call questions is a torture device, its those 2 schmucks who make it a very uneven disjointed segment of their show.[/quote]

Cooley's the bomb...........
Thumbs down on you LA