Re: Kirk Cousins 365 thread
 

[quote=KI Skins Fan;1165647]It's a sad situation that we're even discussing a possible trade of Cousins and which damaged QB we should pick up so we can finish 4-12.[/quote]

I too feel like I am in my final days as a Redskins fan. Like many many others have said we've made tons of horrible bone-headed Dan Snyder moves over the years, but trading your franchise QB, and the possibility that you lose both star receivers in Garcon and Jackson in the same offseason seems hard to fathom. The icing on the cake is that Dan is salivating over the thought of being able to put Romo in a skins jersey.

And what's really sad, as I hate to say it, but Romo is a good QB and for all we know he would play great for a game or two, we'd crush our opponents, and then when he gets hurt we finish like you say, 4-12 or worse.

If they let Cousins go I think I'm done as a fan. I don't' know how we can continue to support the team. As others have come out and said, we will never accomplish anything as long as Snyder is still here. My hope is that I can outlive Dan Snyder so that one day I can come back to the franchise as a fan that has a new hope if we have new ownership.....

Re: Kirk Cousins 365 thread
 

[quote=Schneed10;1165632]Romo for sure. Cutler is a non-starter because of attitude.

I still think Cousins signs long term. I'm not buying Daniel Jeremiah as a source. I'll wait for the plugged in guys to hear a whisper.[/quote]

Daniel Jeremiah is extremely well plugged-in. Thing is other well plugged in guys are saying other things. We just don't really know. But DJ has been a scout in the league for years, worked obviously on the media side too. Really tight with some of the current coaches on the team, like Kyle Shanahan and Chris Simms close

Re: Kirk Cousins 365 thread
 

[quote=SmootSmack;1165649]Daniel Jeremiah is extremely well plugged-in. Thing is other well plugged in guys are saying other things. We just don't really know. But DJ has been a scout in the league for years, worked obviously on the media side too. Really tight with some of the current coaches on the team, like Kyle Shanahan and Chris Simms close[/quote]

I guess my only question is are the two sides even trying to get a deal done, or have the sides gone quiet until the FT is applied?

Re: Kirk Cousins 365 thread
 

[quote=Chico23231;1165644]Yeah I kinda think that way too, but I think his point too is don't get wrapped up with just the passing numbers. Does almost 5000 yards 25 td tell the entire story. He hinting at you got to look at the entire picture to justify 24 million per year for 1 player.[/quote]

And that's fair, I just have a problem with trying to boil it down so far as to say just look at W's and L's.

Cousins' stats are all top 5 in the NFL, but I'd put him maybe 12th in the league on the QB hierarchy list. Why? That's where the thinking comes in:

- Great stats with yardage, but isn't he racking up yardage because he needs to? If the defense isn't giving up 27 points a game, then Gruden and McVay aren't chucking it all over the yard all 60 minutes. All this is to say Russell Wilson could throw for 5000 yards too, if he had to. He doesn't, he has the legion of boom.

- Poor red zone performance. We rank quite low in red zone efficiency.

- But pluses, Kirk has one of the highest completion rates in NFL history, and a strong YPA. So he's quite efficient and accurate enough to direct a successful offense.

- Avoids sacks pretty well, more mobile than he gets credit for, and releases the ball quickly.

- Prone to a brain fart bad decision a bit more often than QBs in the top 5 or top 10.

Add it all up and yeah, I think he's 12th or so in the league. But the opportunity is there to get better, and I don't understand pinching pennies at the QB position. Pinch pennies elsewhere, pay the QB.

Re: Kirk Cousins 365 thread
 

[quote=Schneed10;1165639]On the bolded, that's about the most limited thinking I've ever heard. Yeah because all defenses are created equal, so we can put the W vs L entirely on the QB. Stupid.

On the underlined, that's actually a valid point, because the defense actually played well against the Giants and[B] Kirk was a major part of the problem with the offense.[/B][/quote]

I have to go back and watch that game again, because the way I remember it it was an awful team effort by the whole offense. I remember Trent Williams getting pushed back a lot, I remember drops...

I remember defense doing the best they could, and offense letting them down big time.

I also do remember KC missing some wide open receivers... but at was said, that was one game. And he won us some big games to get us in position to win a playoff spot in week 17...

Even if they do trade KC, I won't stop being a fan because, if it's a good deal, this team can keep on rebuilding, especially on the defensive side... but that'll be really hard to swallow. It would really be, by far, the stupidest move made by the team since I'm a fan.

Re: Kirk Cousins 365 thread
 

[quote=SmootSmack;1165649]Daniel Jeremiah is extremely well plugged-in. Thing is other well plugged in guys are saying other things. We just don't really know. But DJ has been a scout in the league for years, worked obviously on the media side too. Really tight with some of the current coaches on the team, like Kyle Shanahan and Chris Simms close[/quote]

OK I'm hearing this message and stand corrected.

But I still don't believe speculation until I hear it from multiple sources. I'm still waiting until somebody corroborates it. Every NFL insider is all over this story now. You better believe ESPN is trying to get the scoop, they don't want to be scooped by the NFL Network (Jeremiah). So either the digging unearths something or I start to question it.

Basically I'm giving it more time.

Re: Kirk Cousins 365 thread
 

[quote=CRedskinsRule;1165650]I guess my only question is are the two sides even trying to get a deal done, or have the sides gone quiet until the FT is applied?[/quote]

No real reason to right now. Kirk's side won't negotiate until they know they have the franchise tag to work off of

Re: Kirk Cousins 365 thread
 

[quote=Schneed10;1165639]On the bolded, that's about the most limited thinking I've ever heard. Yeah because all defenses are created equal, so we can put the W vs L entirely on the QB. Stupid.

On the underlined, that's actually a valid point, because the defense actually played well against the Giants and Kirk was a major part of the problem with the offense.[/quote]

Good point, everyone expects KC to throw 50 times a game with no interceptions. And have a 2 minute offense that wins the game without leaving any time on the clock. Despite the fact that the NFL is a pass happy league, a running game and a defense is needed.

Re: Kirk Cousins 365 thread
 

[quote=SmootSmack;1165654]No real reason to right now. Kirk's side won't negotiate until they know they have the franchise tag to work off of[/quote]

Then that's what makes the idea of the Redskins giving up their #17 pick AND Kirk Cousins to move up to #2 dumb to me. I'm sure DJ only gave part of what he's (possibly) heard, but I'm assuming if Cousins is tagged, there's much more involved in the trade than that.

Re: Kirk Cousins 365 thread
 

[quote=Brody81;1165627]RG3 was pretty awesome in College as well.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk[/quote]

Watson is a much better qb than Griffin and a way better leader. They aren't the same player.

Re: Kirk Cousins 365 thread
 

[quote=SmootSmack;1165654]No real reason to right now. Kirk's side won't negotiate until they know they have the franchise tag to work off of[/quote]

Well, ok... but if the Skins know they are tagging him, and the Skins want a long term deal, then why not use that baseline now?

Basically you are saying KC wants to have another team force the Skins up from what they are offering now, right?

Re: Kirk Cousins 365 thread
 

It was asked Cutler or Romo.

I say Romo for a couple years then we sign Eli Manning. That way we would have picked up the trash for everyone in our division. Get old shitty McNabb, old injured Romo, and old goofy Manning.

Re: Kirk Cousins 365 thread
 

[quote=metalskins;1165656]Then that's what makes the idea of the Redskins giving up their #17 pick AND Kirk Cousins to move up to #2 dumb to me. I'm sure DJ only gave part of what he's (possibly) heard, but I'm assuming if Cousins is tagged, there's much more involved in the trade than that.[/quote]

What DJ said is that from what he's heard he think there's a greater than 50% chance Kirk is playing for another team. Then he added his own opinion that it might require them giving up their own 17th pick

Re: Kirk Cousins 365 thread
 

[quote=CRedskinsRule;1165658]Well, ok... but if the Skins know they are tagging him, and the Skins want a long term deal, then why not use that baseline now?

Basically you are saying KC wants to have another team force the Skins up from what they are offering now, right?[/quote]

I'm saying someone has to officially make the first move. The Skins can say they want to tag him, but they have actually have to do it

Re: Kirk Cousins 365 thread
 

If we like 5000 yard passers let's just trade Cousins and draft the guy from Texas Tech then resign Garcon and draft a receiver and TE in the middle rounds.