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[QUOTE=CRedskinsRule;1215610]I am more frustrated that Gruden is staying then Allen. But just as frustrating is all the fan talk like something is going to change in the FO structure. This structure (or something similar with different names).



I basically agree with MTK that this is the Skins, but I don't agree with the 7-9/9-7 range. A good coach that can recognize in game adjustments, and not get stuck holding on to personnel/coaches/schemes instead of adjusting to the talent on the field. Injuries should not have given Gruden a pass, when he got the pass last year for them. Other than AS/CM breaks, most of the injuries were by players with some history (even Scherff), and in a lot of cases - even Guice's - an effective replacement was put in place. Further the defense didn't suffer major personnel injuries, and it was Gruden's DC who watched the implosion of a top run defending line to a porous defense carved up by every type of offense.[/QUOTE]


I don’t think anyone is pleased with Gruden - he’s just likely our best realistic option. There are a ton of head coaching vacancies and ours has got to be at, or near the bottom, of most candidates lists.... and it’s an extremely weak market for coaches. There is no one out there and available whom would constitute a clear upgrade over Gruden.

Additionally we’re essentially going to operating under kind of a “salary cap penalty” next year due to Alex’s contract. It is highly unlikely we will have a good record - no matter whose coaching. So we’re better off sticking with Jay, and letting the new GM evaluate him over the next year. If we make a head coaching change, next year will he the year to do it.


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Why are they trotting out Gruden to speak?

Perhaps to announce changes to his staff?

It doesn't take 90 minutes to write "I resign" and you don't announce your own firing.

I'll bet that Mr. Oblivious Snyder isn't even going to acknowledge the fans' issues with his GM and HC.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;1215612]I don’t think anyone is pleased with Gruden - he’s just likely our best realistic option. There are a ton of head coaching vacancies and ours has got to be at, or near the bottom, of most candidates lists.... and it’s an extremely weak market for coaches. There is no one out there and available whom would constitute a clear upgrade over Gruden.

Additionally we’re essentially going to operating under kind of a “salary cap penalty” next year due to Alex’s contract. It is highly unlikely we will have a good record - no matter whose coaching. So we’re better off sticking with Jay, and letting the new GM evaluate him over the next year. If we make a head coaching change, next year will he the year to do it.


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I also think Norman returns next year at $14m/year. Too many holes to fill and not enough $$$, we’ll see.

[url]http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/25655400/josh-norman-says-retire-one-super-bowl-win[/url]

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1215614]I also think Norman returns next year at $14m/year. Too many holes to fill and not enough $$$, we’ll see.[/quote]

Damn, right! That should teach Norman a lesson: Screw around with DWTS and ballet and we'll punish you by keeping you on our roster.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;1215612]I don’t think anyone is pleased with Gruden - he’s just likely our best realistic option. There are a ton of head coaching vacancies and ours has got to be at, or near the bottom, of most candidates lists.... and it’s an extremely weak market for coaches. There is no one out there and available whom would constitute a clear upgrade over Gruden.

Additionally we’re essentially going to operating under kind of a “salary cap penalty” next year due to Alex’s contract. It is highly unlikely we will have a good record - no matter whose coaching. So we’re better off sticking with Jay, and letting the new GM evaluate him over the next year. If we make a head coaching change, next year will he the year to do it.


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Your post is rational, reasonable, and absolutely a non-starter for the Skins because:
1) we aren't going to have a new GM - maybe a few position name changes but even that's not likely
2) next year our qb play will be subpar and the AS salary cap will pop up as the new excuse for keeping Gruden
3) the injury excuse will still be in play for JG as well since the team will not stop keeping injured talent way past the point they should have been let go
4) it's the Redskins and DS has gone from hyper quick to fire in the early years to holding on too long now.

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[QUOTE=KI Skins Fan;1215613]Why are they trotting out Gruden to speak?



Perhaps to announce changes to his staff?



It doesn't take 90 minutes to write "I resign" and you don't announce your own firing.



I'll bet that Mr. Oblivious Snyder isn't even going to acknowledge the fans' issues with his GM and HC.[/QUOTE]



Most fans don’t have a big problem with Gruden. He may not be the long term answer, but right now, he’s the least of our problems.


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[QUOTE=KI Skins Fan;1215609]It confirms that Jay Gruden is about to speak. That is all it confirms.[/QUOTE]



If he was being fired why would he come out to greet the press? To announce he’s been fired??

Come on, don’t dance around it man. We all know he’s staying if he’s giving a post season conference . Rolls eyes


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[QUOTE=BigHairedAristocrat;1215617]Most fans don’t have a big problem with Gruden. He may not be the long term answer, but right now, he’s the least of our problems.


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It’s been 24 hours as you said yesterday. Where’s the Bruce Allen and FO changes announcement?


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[QUOTE=CRedskinsRule;1215616]

4) it's the Redskins and DS has gone from hyper quick to fire in the early years to holding on too long now.[/QUOTE]


Just Imagine if we had got rid of Bruce and jay last year and promoted Kyle Smith and Sean Mcvay.


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[QUOTE=BigHairedAristocrat;1215620]Just Imagine if we had got rid of Bruce and jay last year and promoted Kyle Smith and Sean Mcvay.


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As Skins fans we will watch McVay have an amazing career like Browns fans have with Bill Bellechek. All while we’re stuck with the garbage we have. 30 years and counting...


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Gruden just announced they weren’t making any staff changes. Wtf


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No Bruce Allen is fired announcement no coaching change announcements.

Seriously, fuck this team.

What a cruel fucking joke on all of us.

Washington Losers, with Snyders mug on the side of the helmet should be our new mascot.

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Maybe there is still hope that Snyder is in some deep discussion about the future for the Skins with JGibbs (maybe Gibbs can buy the team?????? god now I am just pie in the sky dreaming) and Snyder really doesn't know his next step, and that's why no rumors have come out

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Redskins coach Jay Gruden said he still hasn't met yet with owner Dan Snyder. All indications from multiple sources have been that Gruden will return for a sixth season but there has been no official confirmation from the team.[/QUOTE]

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[QUOTE=BigHairedAristocrat;1215622]Gruden just announced they weren’t making any staff changes. Wtf


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If that’s true Snyder should expect to not make any sort of money next season, at least not from Skins fans.


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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;1215622]Gruden just announced they weren’t making any staff changes. Wtf


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That doesn’t mean he won’t or will be told to do so.