Re: Cousins to start 2015 Season
 

[quote=SolidSnake84;1119917]Snyder could get so pissed after another losing season that he blows the whole thing up and starts over. There were rumors earlier during pre-season that he was described as being "livid" when a QB change was suggested to him. It is obvious that it took heavy, heavy persuasion to get him to change his mind, and he most likely told both Scott M and Gruden, that if it didn't work this season, they were both gone, and he'd find someone else to coach RG3.[/quote]I can't see Dan firing Scott based on J's hypothetical failure. Scott inherited J.

Re: Cousins to start 2015 Season
 

[quote=SolidSnake84;1119910]I have a horrible feeling that Jay Gruden gets fired and RG3 stays put, which means that the next new head coach would again start RG3. Has that ever happened in the NFL? Where the starting QB has been benched by two different head coaches for performance??[/quote]I don't think the scenario above has ever happened. Alex Smith is the closest comp iirc he survived through 3 coaching changes before hitting his stride with Harbaugh.

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[quote=kingj;1119963]Gruden put his hands in the air and made it clear he couldn't work with rg3. The top coaches can work with anyone.

So now, good ole honest jay got his way. He has the qb for his "system." So put up or shut up time for JG.[/quote]I can see how there is potential for Dan to be impatient with J based on J's own impatience with Griffin.

J's decision to make this Kirk's team ends Griffin's development.

Griffin was this franchise's most valuable and talented assest upon J's arrival. I would bet that ending that development after 9 games/7 starts effectively removes the window J would have been granted for 'development'.

Re: Cousins to start 2015 Season
 

[QUOTE=mooby;1119951]Hey, that inch makes a huuuuuuuuge difference. Huuuuuuge.[/QUOTE]

That's what she said.

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Re: Cousins to start 2015 Season
 

So Griff will be 3rd string moving forward.. Clearly SM is waiting for a trade partner. Griffin lovers should put to bed the possibility of seeing there boy on the field as a Redskin ever again..

Re: Cousins to start 2015 Season
 

[quote=kingj;1119963]Gruden put his hands in the air and made it clear he couldn't work with rg3. [B]The top coaches can work with anyone[/B].

So now, good ole honest jay got his way. He has the qb for his "system." So put up or shut up time for JG.[/quote]

This cannot be the most stupid thing I have heard, but at the moment, nothing else comes to mind..........

Re: Cousins to start 2015 Season
 

shanahan had a different QB than gruden, he had one the could run and wanted to run. then he got hurt and threw a fit about not wanting to run read-option, and well, look at 2013. not so great, so that's kind of a bad argument. also notice how many teams are lining up to join in the great RG3 sweepstakes. that should be pretty telling.

also, shanahan is probably a better coach that JG, but he couldn't make it work, so advising JG to follow the same plan that got shanahan fired seems like a really bad idea.

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So the possibility exists that perhaps RG3 never sees an NFL field again as a starter / #2 QB. I wonder if he just doesn't quietly disappear from the league.

So the question i think can now be asked: Is/Was RG3 a bust? I say yes.

Re: Cousins to start 2015 Season
 

He will play again. Book it.

Too many mediocre QBs out there, someone will take a chance on his talent.

Re: Cousins to start 2015 Season
 

[quote=Mattyk;1119988]He will play again. Book it.

Too many mediocre QBs out there, someone will take a chance on his talent.[/quote]

Yea....someone else will take a chance. Might even work out. But it just became too much of a circus here (again) but without the benefit of progression and good play.

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[quote=kingj;1119967]You are comparing Gruden to belichik?!

Come on now, look at all the well known coaches. Parcells, shanarat, Reid, Gibbs and so on.

They are able to use the personnel they have. Skins fans of all fans should know what a great coach does, look what Gibbs won with!!

Fact of the matter is Gruden is stubborn about what he thinks works, ok so now prove it.

Shanarat, one of the biggest egomaniacs, adjusted and made it work.

Reid has made the playoffs with captain check down at QB and should have beat the colts too.

Gruden is a terrible coach until he proves otherwise and to be as stubborn as he is about his "system" makes it even more amazing to witness.[/quote]

No. I was giving you an example of a "great" coach who has been a dead dog loser without a hall of fame QB taking the snaps.

You are underrating McNabb in his prime. Parcells had Simms, Bledsoe, Romo. Shanahan had Elway. Which Gibbs' QBs were bad?

Almost all of the QBs that played for those coaches were pro-bowlers minus Doug Williams.

Gruden's system last year was a west coast offense style system which is supposed to cover up a poor offensive line. It has been used for decades. It's not this crazy complicated scheme.

It does however require a QB that can throw a three step drop after three steps to a guy with the same color jersey.

Last year he didn't have that.

Cousins to start 2015 Season
 

[QUOTE=Hog1;1119974]This cannot be the most stupid thing I have heard, but at the moment, nothing else comes to mind..........[/QUOTE]


Believe what you want, but it's not like successful coaches or individuals luck into a reputation. Doesn't matter the sport or industry. Maybe right place and right time once, but multiple times? That's not a coincidence.

That's a pretty ignorant comment you just made, in my mind.

Anyway re: JG, it's really getting old. I'm just as tired of his act as I am of RG3's act. Last chance this season to prove he's a competent head coach, IMO.

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[quote=Hog1;1119974]This cannot be the most stupid thing I have heard, but at the moment, nothing else comes to mind..........[/quote]

Have you heard the one about risking 16 mil cap space next year on a scout team free safety?

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[quote=Skinzman;1120009]Have you heard the one about risking 16 mil cap space next year on a scout team free safety?[/quote]

Are they really going to try and convert RG3 to a safety?

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[quote=SolidSnake84;1120108]Are they really going to try and convert RG3 to a safety?[/quote]

No... Given the limited players that teams have, its not exactly unheard of for the #3 QB to do that. Its just most #3's dont have a 16 mil option for next year and gimpy knees. RG3 tries to plant and change directions and pops his ACL again, that 16 mil is now guaranteed. Thats why it is one of the stupidest things I have ever heard of.