Re: Kirk Cousins 24/7 thread
 

[QUOTE=MTK;1154657]People need to read the Jones link a little more carefully. He's offering up his opinion. Take from it what you will.[/QUOTE]
You mean like part of the article?


[QUOTE]"For right now, Kirk has not done enough to show what you need to see to give that guy $50 million guaranteed," he said. "He's playing like an $18 million quarterback right now."

"Is that your opinion, or have you talked to people in the organization?" Jason Bishop asked.

"That's my educated opinion," Jones responded[/QUOTE]

Re: Kirk Cousins 24/7 thread
 

[quote=SolidSnake84;1154651]My personal opinion has always been that it is Dan who is not the Cousins fan. To me, Bruce has always struck me as just a more rational extension of Dan, meaning that he does what the owner wants but tries to go about it as smartly and rational as possible. I have stated in the past that I feel his disdain towards Cousins is due more to the fact that "his" pick of QB (RG3) failed spectacularly in the NFL, and less to do with Kirk himself. This will be one of the main reasons IMO that Cousins will not be retained.

As far as who the source might be, my best guess is that it is a player, and not an actual team official. Let's try and remember who has been the most anti-Kirk player wise? DeSean Jackson is kind of the only one who springs to my mind. He knows he wont be here next year, so it could be him leaking to the media...just speculation...[/quote]

I maybe naive, but I do not think it's Dan. Dan does not speak to the media and Mike Jones is a beat reporter. He does not have access to Dan. Tony Wiley would never let a beat reporter close to the owner.

If this report came from someone at ESPN, like Tony C or Wilbon, maybe I could see them having access to Dan.

Maybe Bruce or Scot M, but i don't see them doing it. It is the bye week, it could be a made up story to get clicks on the url.

Re: Kirk Cousins 24/7 thread
 

[quote=MTK;1154643]Kirk is middle of the pack as far as ESPN's QBR goes, 14th currently.[/quote]

He is 7th in DYAR (overall value) and 9th in DVOA (value per play) over at FO:

[url=http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/qb]FOOTBALL OUTSIDERS: Innovative Statistics, Intelligent Analysis | QUARTERBACKS 2016[/url]

Re: Kirk Cousins 24/7 thread
 

Here we go again......does anybody really want to save a few million and sink back into the wonderful world of stop gap qb's for 10 years? The guy is fresh off of one of his better games and this shit appears like a fart that has been trapped under the covers all night. Wtf.
We are in a position not only to lock up a top 10 qb in KC (and that will be completely clear by years end), but also to draft a full compliment of players (still a relatively new thing in DC), and have enough cap space to pay our own and maybe add a piece or two to the puzzle. To keep a TEAM together with its coaching staff. Instead lets let him walk, and fuck it all up. Brilliant. This team is right on the cusp of being a true contender. Let it grow!

Re: Kirk Cousins 24/7 thread
 

[quote=MTK;1154657]People need to read the Jones link a little more carefully. He's offering up his opinion. Take from it what you will.[/quote]

Talking with SS though, he believes they are still unsure of paying him.


Let's throw some more fuel on this fire...lol

[url]https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/redskins/kirk-cousins-puts-up-great-numbers-that-doesnt-make-him-a-great-quarterback/2016/10/31/ef5460d0-9f99-11e6-8d63-3e0a660f1f04_story.html[/url]


Some key points I agree on:

[quote]And all of this means . . . what? The numbers look heavy, but for half a season, they have felt flimsy. Washington is just a middle-of-the-pack scoring team. Cousins still makes too many mistakes and squanders too many opportunities. [/quote]


I also think this is a valid point. Not necessarily that scoring is all on Cousins, but he's left little to desire in red zone efficiency this year.

[quote]This is how you build the case that Cousins is an empty stat collector. This is how you figure he is the creation of Gruden and an offensive staff that runs one of the most clever systems in the NFL. This is how you look at Washington’s poor red-zone performance this season and conclude that the quarterback doesn’t do enough when the passing windows are tighter and daring decision-making and moxie factor into performance.[/quote]

Re: Kirk Cousins 24/7 thread
 

[QUOTE=NC_Skins;1154689]Talking with SS though, he believes they are still unsure of paying him.





Let's throw some more fuel on this fire...lol



[url]https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/redskins/kirk-cousins-puts-up-great-numbers-that-doesnt-make-him-a-great-quarterback/2016/10/31/ef5460d0-9f99-11e6-8d63-3e0a660f1f04_story.html[/url]





Some key points I agree on:









I also think this is a valid point. Not necessarily that scoring is all on Cousins, but he's left little to desire in red zone efficiency this year.[/QUOTE]



Cousins has not looked flimsy for half the year. That is just false.
It is 90% play calling that is killing us in the red zone.

Re: Kirk Cousins 24/7 thread
 

[quote=punch it in;1154691]Cousins has not looked flimsy for half the year. That is just false.
It is 90% play calling that is killing us in the red zone.[/quote]


I don't think they said that Cousins looked flimsy for half the year. Here is the actual quote

[quote]The numbers look heavy, but for half a season,[B] they have felt flimsy.[/B][/quote]


In other words, we have a lot of yardage, but they don't equate to points.

Re: Kirk Cousins 24/7 thread
 

[QUOTE=NC_Skins;1154692]I don't think they said that Cousins looked flimsy for half the year. Here is the actual quote









In other words, we have a lot of yardage, but they don't equate to points.[/QUOTE]



Yup. Our entire issue on offense is rz. I say that is way more on coaches than any player.

Re: Kirk Cousins 24/7 thread
 

I would probably agree that KC doesn't take enough chances or isn't aggressive enough. There's probably some truth to that. I think in his first few years when he was spot starting, he had more gunslinger in him. But after all the interceptions and getting benched because of them, he plays a lot more conservative.

Re: Kirk Cousins 24/7 thread
 

Let's think about this logically though. What free agent quarterback would be available next year that is an upgrade from Cousins? I see absolutely nobody. Unless Bill Belichick did the unthinkable and decided to trade an aging Tom Brady (who doesn't appear to be aging by the way), who would the 'skins get? Would you see Dallas trading Romo to Washington? I doubt it. Sanchez to Washington? He couldn't beat out the no-name guy in Denver.

I'm sorry, but you don't have to have an Aaron Rodgers or a Tom Brady to win Super Bowls. Yes, having those guys makes it a heck of a lot easier to win it all, but look at the teams that have won the Super Bowl with less than spectacular quarterbacks. Heck, I don't think Eli Manning is an elite QB and he's won two Super Bowls.

Maybe it's a homer thing to say, but I think Cousins is as good as we can get right now. I think you stick with him for a few more years.

Re: Kirk Cousins 24/7 thread
 

[quote=metalskins;1154707]Let's think about this logically though. What free agent quarterback would be available next year that is an upgrade from Cousins? I see absolutely nobody. Unless Bill Belichick did the unthinkable and decided to trade an aging Tom Brady (who doesn't appear to be aging by the way), who would the 'skins get? Would you see Dallas trading Romo to Washington? I doubt it. Sanchez to Washington? He couldn't beat out the no-name guy in Denver.

I'm sorry, but you don't have to have an Aaron Rodgers or a Tom Brady to win Super Bowls. Yes, having those guys makes it a heck of a lot easier to win it all, but look at the teams that have won the Super Bowl with less than spectacular quarterbacks. Heck, I don't think Eli Manning is an elite QB and he's won two Super Bowls.

Maybe it's a homer thing to say, but I think Cousins is as good as we can get right now. I think you stick with him for a few more years.[/quote]

totally agree, keep kirk cuh.

but cookie patterson out of uc stalingrad is looking real good. could snag the davey o'brien award.

Re: Kirk Cousins 24/7 thread
 

[quote=metalskins;1154707]Let's think about this logically though. What free agent quarterback would be available next year that is an upgrade from Cousins? I see absolutely nobody. Unless Bill Belichick did the unthinkable and decided to trade an aging Tom Brady (who doesn't appear to be aging by the way), who would the 'skins get? Would you see Dallas trading Romo to Washington? I doubt it. Sanchez to Washington? He couldn't beat out the no-name guy in Denver.

I'm sorry, but you don't have to have an Aaron Rodgers or a Tom Brady to win Super Bowls. Yes, having those guys makes it a heck of a lot easier to win it all, but look at the teams that have won the Super Bowl with less than spectacular quarterbacks. Heck, I don't think Eli Manning is an elite QB and he's won two Super Bowls.

Maybe it's a homer thing to say, but I think Cousins is as good as we can get right now. I think you stick with him for a few more years.[/quote]

When people ask me about this at work, the answer i give is that they would go forward with McCoy because you have him locked up under a LOW contract i believe for the next two years, which fits the mold for Scott M not wanting to spend big money that could affect building the rest of the team.

First let me clarify that I AM NOT SAYING that McCoy could do just as well as Cousins in this system, because i don't think anyone truly knows. Gruden was committed 100% to Cousins in the offseason so I don't think anyone was truly looking at Colt to see how good he was or wasn't. Chris Cooley during his preseason broadcasts was high on Colt and felt that McCoy could start for at least half a dozen teams for sure, and maybe another five or 6 have a chance to battle for the starting job.

So in this scenario Scott M decides to not pay Cousins, they let him walk after this season, and so next season you open the season with Colt McCoy as the day 1 starter. If he plays well and the skins do well, then they look like geniuses because they saved the big money to use to load up on other players. You wont have a money issue until its time for Colt to get a new deal. Obviously if Colt fails then you turn to Sudfield to see what you have in him. If he plays well, then you may have a solution for a while, until it comes contract time and then maybe it's rinse and repeat with whatever possible QB's you have on the roster at that time.

Say for example this works, i wonder if it would change how the league pays QB's. What i am getting at - if a team can get quality / solid play out of QB's who sign lower money contracts, then what is the need to pay a guy 25 - 30 million a season if a team is able to win, or go to a Superbowl with a guy who is only making 2 or 3 million? You could then use that money to load up on other talent...

Re: Kirk Cousins 24/7 thread
 

[quote=punch it in;1154691]It is 90% play calling that is killing us in the red zone.[/quote]

Check yourself, they are going to complete a fade with a dude who hasn't practiced all summer before the end of the year!!!!!!!!

In all seriousness, I think McVay outsmarts himself sometimes.

Other times, like the read option against Detroit, the dude is brilliant.

Re: Kirk Cousins 24/7 thread
 

[quote=SolidSnake84;1154713]When people ask me about this at work, the answer i give is that they would go forward with McCoy because you have him locked up under a LOW contract i believe for the next two years, which fits the mold for Scott M not wanting to spend big money that could affect building the rest of the team.

First let me clarify that I AM NOT SAYING that McCoy could do just as well as Cousins in this system, because i don't think anyone truly knows. Gruden was committed 100% to Cousins in the offseason so I don't think anyone was truly looking at Colt to see how good he was or wasn't. Chris Cooley during his preseason broadcasts was high on Colt and felt that McCoy could start for at least half a dozen teams for sure, and maybe another five or 6 have a chance to battle for the starting job.

So in this scenario Scott M decides to not pay Cousins, they let him walk after this season, and so next season you open the season with Colt McCoy as the day 1 starter. If he plays well and the skins do well, then they look like geniuses because they saved the big money to use to load up on other players. You wont have a money issue until its time for Colt to get a new deal. Obviously if Colt fails then you turn to Sudfield to see what you have in him. If he plays well, then you may have a solution for a while, until it comes contract time and then maybe it's rinse and repeat with whatever possible QB's you have on the roster at that time.

Say for example this works, i wonder if it would change how the league pays QB's. What i am getting at - if a team can get quality / solid play out of QB's who sign lower money contracts, then what is the need to pay a guy 25 - 30 million a season if a team is able to win, or go to a Superbowl with a guy who is only making 2 or 3 million? You could then use that money to load up on other talent...[/quote]

I'd they go with McCoy. They might as well fire Jay Gruden and start looking for a new head coach. Just because McCoy is cheaper, doesn't make it a better situation. Especially with 70 million in cap we will have even in the offseason.

You build a team to win games. You don't just say "fuck it" Let's roll with our 2nd string journeyman this year.

That might be the dumbest thing I've ever seen. If I'm not sugar coating it. Be the laughing stock of the NFL to tag Kirk for 20 mil this year, just to let the guy who threw for 5k yards go, and run with McCoy because he's cheaper. Holy lawl.

Re: Kirk Cousins 24/7 thread
 

[QUOTE=DYoungJelly;1154715]Check yourself, they are going to complete a fade with a dude who hasn't practiced all summer before the end of the year!!!!!!!!



In all seriousness, I think McVay outsmarts himself sometimes.



Other times, like the read option against Detroit, the dude is brilliant.[/QUOTE]



The never ending fade attempt reminds me of the toss sweep from a few years back. I want to say it was Zorn? There was the one season where we just never gave up on the toss sweep in short yardage situations, and never got the first down either. Teams would just blow it up for a loss.