Re: Mark Sanchez at 13th?
 

[quote=SmootSmack;548564]The title doesn't jibe with the body of the article. The title makes it sound like the Jets are going to try to acquire him from the Skins. But the actual article says the Redskins would try to trade him to the Jets. Not the same thing necessarily[/quote]

I think that the article was just written poorly. The addition of a third team is a bit of a stretch to say what the Redskins would be doing.

But really it's just one guy saying it might happen, so who knows, could've been his own little concoction in his mind.

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"We're doing what we can to win," the owner said. "I'm always going to be aggressive to try to win. I didn't buy the team for investment. I bought the team to try to win the Super Bowl, and that's what I'm trying to do."[quote=SmootSmack;548567]Zorn tells it like it is

[URL="http://www.kansascity.com/491/story/1156930.html"]Sanchez would carry huge price tag for Redskins - Kansas City Star[/URL][/quote]

"I think anything is possible," executive vice president for football operations Vinny Cerrato said Wednesday. "It's just what you're willing to give up."

Vinny also tells it like it is, unfortunately :(

Snyder too:

"We're doing what we can to win," the owner said. "I'm always going to be aggressive to try to win. I didn't buy the team for investment. I bought the team to try to win the Super Bowl, and that's what I'm trying to do."

Re: Mark Sanchez at 13th?
 

Well our immediate needs are O-line and we should not be trading for Sanchez this year. BUT if we do, as long as we could jettison JC in the process, I wouldnt be overly upset.

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so who would start if we got rid of JC? Sanchez / Collins / Brennan?

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[quote=redskins1974;548575]so who would start if we got rid of JC? Sanchez / Collins / Brennan?[/quote]


It better be Sanchez or the whols situation doesnt make any sense.

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Anyways, here's my stance.

I wouldn't mind if we took Sanchez as long as we don't sell the farm to get him. Yes, we do have needs otherwise perhaps more important this year (don't beat me up over perhaps haha) but you can't underrate a great QB; great QB's can make things happen on their own. Campbell needs a great crew around him at this point in his career, but he's shown flashes that he can make things happen, more so in the scramble game and less in the Brady or Warner slings it to the end zone (though in Campbell's defense he doesn't have a Moss or Fitzgerald at the moment, though short lil Moss does have a good jump/grab game).

My biggest issue with taking Sanchez would be how long are we going to let him develop? I mean what do we really even know about the kid, not a lot, though he has a lot of upside. If we got him this year and he busts, do we take a QB next year, let Colt try, sign a vet? If he's not great after 2 years what do we do?

I'd trust the signing of Sanchez a lot more if I knew we'd give him a fair shot. And if the QB class is deeper next year, we'll likely have to move up again unless it's just THAT deep. There are plenty of teams this year without a very solid QB but have so far focused on other positions, they're going to be looking hard at the kids coming out next year as well. So unless we bomb this year, we're likely going to have to move our pick either way, so that doesn't bother me a lot. Final say is that though Campbell hasn't exactly shown flashes of "greatness" he's still relatively young to his position and system (which I'm not sure he's the right fit for, much like Saunders system) and we should hold off on picking up somebody new for now, but I'm not going to pitch a fit if we don't. I can't see Campbell having the breakout year that solidifies him as our franchise QB though I'm welcome to him doing so.

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[quote=tryfuhl;548578]Anyways, here's my stance.

I wouldn't mind if we took Sanchez as long as we don't sell the farm to get him. Yes, we do have needs otherwise perhaps more important this year (don't beat me up over perhaps haha) but you can't underrate a great QB; great QB's can make things happen on their own. Campbell needs a great crew around him at this point in his career, but he's shown flashes that he can make things happen, more so in the scramble game and less in the Brady or Warner slings it to the end zone (though in Campbell's defense he doesn't have a Moss or Fitzgerald at the moment, though short lil Moss does have a good jump/grab game).

My biggest issue with taking Sanchez would be how long are we going to let him develop? I mean what do we really even know about the kid, not a lot, though he has a lot of upside. If we got him this year and he busts, do we take a QB next year, let Colt try, sign a vet? If he's not great after 2 years what do we do?

I'd trust the signing of Sanchez a lot more if I knew we'd give him a fair shot. And if the QB class is deeper next year, we'll likely have to move up again unless it's just THAT deep. There are plenty of teams this year without a very solid QB but have so far focused on other positions, they're going to be looking hard at the kids coming out next year as well. So unless we bomb this year, we're likely going to have to move our pick either way, so that doesn't bother me a lot. Final say is that though Campbell hasn't exactly shown flashes of "greatness" he's still relatively young to his position and system (which I'm not sure he's the right fit for, much like Saunders system) and we should hold off on picking up somebody new for now, but I'm not going to pitch a fit if we don't. I can't see Campbell having the breakout year that solidifies him as our franchise QB though I'm welcome to him doing so.[/quote]

I've been staunch in my defense of giving Campbell another season as QB in Zorn's system to become the franchise QB for us that I believe he can be. At this point though, I've reached the same point of inevitable acceptance that I felt about the Cutler deal when it seemed like it was going to happen. Getting pissed at the FO for ignoring other positional needs for a position they feel like they have to upgrade is a waste of my time. While I can't say I'm looking forward for another rookie QB, if it's Sanchez then I'll be behind him.

This would represent a 'Snyder pick' so I think he's going to get a whole lot more leeway than anyone else that's been drafted in his tenure. Ramsey was a Spurrier pick, Campbell was a Gibbs pick, Sanchez is clearly all Snyder. If he falls to #8, I think we offer our #1 this year and #2 & #4 next year to move up. We won't put our #3 (I don't believe) or our #1 next year in a trade to go up 5 spots. If he turns out to be the QB that most believe he will become then the price would be worth it, long term.

I think the locker room chemistry thing is overblown a little bit, but I do wonder how someone like Devin Thomas, who has said numerous times this offseason about how much he's tried to get closer to JC to grow their 'bond' will be affected. Best case, in a couple of years we've got a dynamic young talent base on offense of Sanchez, Thomas, Kelly, Cooley and Davis.

Last word on Colt, if this isn't a CLEAR indication that he is viewed as nothing but a career backup then nothing is. Let it go guys, let it go.

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Yeah, IMO drafting him and then letting him ride the pine is stupid. We need someone who can play now. If we draft Dirty Sanchez, and don't start him, then JC will constantly looking over his shoulder. I still think this is all a smoke screen and I think we'll trade back to the 20s and pick up a 2nd or another 3rd rounder.

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[quote=Paintrain;548600]I've been staunch in my defense of giving Campbell another season as QB in Zorn's system to become the franchise QB for us that I believe he can be. At this point though, I've reached the same point of inevitable acceptance that I felt about the Cutler deal when it seemed like it was going to happen. Getting pissed at the FO for ignoring other positional needs for a position they feel like they have to upgrade is a waste of my time. While I can't say I'm looking forward for another rookie QB, if it's Sanchez then I'll be behind him.

This would represent a 'Snyder pick' so I think he's going to get a whole lot more leeway than anyone else that's been drafted in his tenure. Ramsey was a Spurrier pick, Campbell was a Gibbs pick, Sanchez is clearly all Snyder. If he falls to #8, I think we offer our #1 this year and #2 & #4 next year to move up. We won't put our #3 (I don't believe) or our #1 next year in a trade to go up 5 spots. If he turns out to be the QB that most believe he will become then the price would be worth it, long term.

I think the locker room chemistry thing is overblown a little bit, but I do wonder how someone like Devin Thomas, who has said numerous times this offseason about how much he's tried to get closer to JC to grow their 'bond' will be affected. Best case, in a couple of years we've got a dynamic young talent base on offense of Sanchez, Thomas, Kelly, Cooley and Davis.

Last word on Colt, if this isn't a CLEAR indication that he is viewed as nothing but a career backup then nothing is. Let it go guys, let it go.[/quote]

Agreed, but I don't know much this is clearly all Snyder. I think Zorn has some significant interest in this as well. I think he likes Campbell and thinks he can develop him into a strong starting QB, but I also think part of that is his ego speaking. I think given the choice, he's like most coaches, who like to bring in their own guys (instead of someone else's "retread") and developing them. Also, I think Zorn was more amenable to the idea of developing Campbell when he was supposed to be the OC/QB coach. I think as head coach, his mentality is more "it's my team, give me my guy."

Imagine if we had been able to get the guy Snyder really wanted...David Carr

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[quote=SmootSmack;548603]Agreed, but I don't know much this is clearly all Snyder. I think Zorn has some significant interest in this as well. I think he likes Campbell and thinks he can develop him into a strong starting QB, but I also think part of that is his ego speaking. I think given the choice, he's like most coaches, who like to bring in their own guys (instead of someone else's "retread") and developing them. Also, I think Zorn was more amenable to the idea of developing Campbell when he was supposed to be the OC/QB coach. I think as head coach, his mentality is more "it's my team, give me my guy."

Imagine if we had been able to get the guy Snyder really wanted...David Carr[/quote]

Maybe instead of all Snyder I should have said 'Snyder driven'. I think that if left completely to Zorn, he'd be fine with giving Campbell another year in his system to grow and learn. One word of caution to fans though, if we draft Sanchez and start him immediately (which is the only way this makes sense) then if you thought Campbell was a 'game manager' wait until you see what Sanchez is going to do as a rookie. No WAY Zorn is going to entrust him with much of the offense.

I think we can all agree though, that a Sanchez draft secures Zorn's position as HC for at least another 2 years, if not more. You don't draft a QB then fire the coach the next year.

Re: Mark Sanchez at 13th?
 

[quote=Paintrain;548617]Maybe instead of all Snyder I should have said 'Snyder driven'. I think that if left completely to Zorn, he'd be fine with giving Campbell another year in his system to grow and learn. One word of caution to fans though, if we draft Sanchez and start him immediately (which is the only way this makes sense) then if you thought Campbell was a 'game manager' wait until you see what Sanchez is going to do as a rookie. No WAY Zorn is going to entrust him with much of the offense.

I think we can all agree though, that a Sanchez draft secures Zorn's position as HC for at least another 2 years, if not more. You don't draft a QB then fire the coach the next year.[/quote]

So if the Redskins are 4-12 with Sanchez you don't think Snyder would fire Zorn and try and hire Shanahan or Holmgren? I think Zorn needs a winning record next year to survive no matter who is at QB.

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[quote=celts32;548619]So if the Redskins are 4-12 with Sanchez you don't think Snyder would fire Zorn and try and hire Shanahan or Holmgren? I think Zorn needs a winning record next year to survive no matter who is at QB.[/quote]

I'd be very surprised if, even with a 4-12 record, Zorn gets fired with a rookie QB.

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We are not drafting Mark Sanchez, how much longer can this damn thread go on? Oh wait, only 2 more days

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[quote=redskins1974;548575]so who would start if we got rid of JC? Sanchez / Collins / Brennan?[/quote]

That's one reason why I think the rumor is false. I don't see Zorn willing to go through the season with one of those guys under center.

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I will be burning my Redskins shirt on Draft Day if we trade up for Sanchez.