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[quote=30gut;1120863]I do appreciate 'inside' information from time to time. And no disrespect intended, I always take inside information with a huge grain of salt even if the person receiving and relaying the information to us is above the board they are still subject to hersey, telephone effect and misunderstanding that can happen with this type of information.

I have a lot of respect for Scott and I have a hard time believing that Scott would allow people to know how he feels about Griffin one way or another. I doubt Scott will ever wittingly be the source of a leak.

All I know are Scott's public comments about not giving up on Griffin:



And as it turns out Jay has done exactly what Scott said he didn't want to do: give up on Griffin.[/quote]

That was SM's comments when he first got the job. That was BEFORE ota's, minicamp, training camp and the pre season games. He looked at what he saw and agreed with Gruden to bench him for good. What else is there to discuss?

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[QUOTE=skinsfan69;1120865]That was SM's comments when he first got the job. That was BEFORE ota's, minicamp, training camp and the pre season games. He looked at what he saw and agreed with Gruden to bench him for good. What else is there to discuss?[/QUOTE]


This. He had plenty of time to judge him up close. Obviously he didn't develop like they had hoped.

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The entire "Griffin's daddy said........" argument is so overblown. Griffin was running the read option well after those reports happen, and guess what, Griffin's dad doesn't coach or run the team.

And I can guarantee you if Gruden told Griffin that in order to start he needs to go back to some variation of that offense, he has to involve the pistol/read option, Griffin would say "Ok." And why do I say that? Because that's EXACTLY what he did in 2013.

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[quote=Mattyk;1120866]This. He had plenty of time to judge him up close. Obviously he didn't develop like they had hoped.[/quote]
[quote=skinsfan69;1120865]That was SM's comments when he first got the job. That was BEFORE ota's, minicamp, training camp and the pre season games. He looked at what he saw and agreed with Gruden to bench him for good. What else is there to discuss?[/quote]Or maybe Scott isn't going to intefere with a coach that wants to play 'their' guy? Maybe Scott isn't going to evaluate a HC with a QB that is forced on them?

And a few quick points of fact. During ota's, minicamp and training camp it was all positive rhetoric about Griffin. Even through the first pre-season game their was talk of progress. Then it went away in 8 pre-season drop backs against the #3 def with a 3rd string LT starting (no out of the league btw), a concussion and a mediocre preseason game (gameplanned for) against the Ravens.

Yeah, I don't think Scott goes from not wanting to give up on Griffin to wanting to give up on him that quickly and flimsily. That's just me.

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Seriously, 30....why are you still talking griffin? It's over. This is the titanic, and your playing the violin.
No one is listening to you.
Your like the commercials during a game that was dvr'd.

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It's a Redskins message board and Griffin is a member of the team for now.

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[quote=30gut;1120864] At minimum you must acknowledge that Griffin did in fact run read-option whether you think he wanted to or not.

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Yes, I distinctly remember RG3 actually keeping the ball on ROs a handful of times in 2013.

Debate over?

Time to talk 2015 and Kirk Cousins?

30 - if you were gruden and you had Kirk under center and no desean, how would you game plan for the rams?

I imagine running the ball regardless of result, but what else?

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[quote=NoCalHail;1120871]It's a Redskins message board and Griffin is a member of the team for now.[/quote]

Yes...but for weeks now it's been the same thing. People have a conversation and 30 tells them how they are wrong no matter how valid the point, then makes a loaded question to respond. Then he tells them they are unresponsive to his questions and then more loaded questions. And this is a cousins thread about his time starting. Instead clown shoes wants to talk about, at length, how he's correct about our injury prone, underwhelming 3rd string qb.
Shit just gets old.
So yes....Griffin is a part of the team. But, an inactive part as of sunday. So why don't we discuss the active players instead of the ones who aren't even dressing?

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I had a friend who is a Denver fan. Saw him one night with a tebow jersey on. We got to talking a bit. I told him I thought Denver was a good team that had a ton of upside, but tebow would not be the answer for them. He did the same thing I read here. Told me I was wrong then asked questions with only one way to answer. I had no leverage to even speak let alone share or discuss. Haven't talked to him since because it was that fristrating. With all his stats and loaded remarks....it didn't matter. Not in the least.....and why is that? Because no matter what the stats or loaded questions were the fact still remained that tebow, as amazing an athlete as he is, just isn't an NFL calibre quarterback.
So this whole thread has turned into that exact conversation at the bar with a friend that just talks louder than you waving his hands for anyone within ear shot to hear his point. Even though, he's ultimately 100% incorrect, and doesn't even know it.

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[quote=over the mountain;1120872]30 - if you were gruden and you had Kirk under center and no desean, how would you game plan for the rams?

I imagine running the ball regardless of result, but what else?[/quote]Good question. Prolly gonna be a long answer.

But, you're right I would start with the run. The Rams run def is tough but not impossible and if the run game is gonna be our identity (like I believe it should and will be) we gotta run the ball.

However; I would like to see our base run game move to nickle personnel. Our TEs are receiving TEs and they have a ways to go before they're not a liablility. We gotta avoid failed edge runs or holding calls because we ask the TEs to block the POA or holding calls.

I don't want to see a lot base personnel runs. Spread to run.

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[quote=NoCalHail;1120871]It's a Redskins message board and Griffin is a member of the team for now.[/quote]

but this is such an exhasted topic and we are essentially talking about a 3rd string QB.

Should we next talk about Kendric Golston? Its pretty clear Golston isnt going to be starting at DE/DT, but wouldnt u at least give him a chance? His use doesnt conform to the scheme, but maybe there is a way if we gave him a look and coached him up...Well maybe if Jay loses his job Golston finally gets that opportunity.

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[quote=OnceWeWereKings;1120869]Seriously, 30....why are you still talking griffin? It's over. This is the titanic, and your playing the violin.
No one is listening to you.
Your like the commercials during a game that was dvr'd.[/quote]

:lol:

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[quote=OnceWeWereKings;1120869]Seriously, 30....why are you still talking griffin? It's over. This is the titanic, and your playing the violin.
No one is listening to you.
Your like the commercials during a game that was dvr'd.[/quote]

I don't want to be Debbie Downer, but this is the redskins we are talking about.

For all we know, Gruden could get fired and the next HC could inherit Griffin, who he ends up starting....stranger things than that have happened here....

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[quote=Chico23231;1120877]but this is such an exhasted topic and we are essentially talking about a 3rd string QB.

Should we next talk about Kendric Golston? Its pretty clear Golston isnt going to be starting at DE/DT, but wouldnt u at least give him a chance? His use doesnt conform to the scheme, but maybe there is a way if we gave him a look and coached him up...Well maybe if Jay loses his job Golston finally gets that opportunity.[/quote]

chico just won the thread. good game sir.

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[quote=SolidSnake84;1120879]I don't want to be Debbie Downer, but this is the redskins we are talking about.

For all we know, Gruden could get fired and the next HC could inherit Griffin, who he ends up starting....stranger things than that have happened here....[/quote]

That's fair. And the conversation, I'm sure, would be revisited at that point. But talking about our inactive, 3rd string qb is like talking about not finishing up that one time I got an escort. It was fun when it was going on, but there's no...uhh...end.