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[QUOTE=RobH4413;227652]Especially with Rock presenting to be a solid kick returner. I

I think Betts may be pretty good trade bait next year but we'll see. (does anyone know how many years he's got left on his contract?)[/QUOTE]



Betts is also a free agent come season's end.

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[quote=SouperMeister;227654]Both Betts and Duckett are free agents after this season. If Duckett never sees the light of day and signs elsewhere, giving up a 3rd rounder will have to go down as one of our worst trades.[/quote]

mos def

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[quote=That Guy;226981]like waiting a month and getting lloyd for free... "but we have a 3rd and a 4th, and uh, we don't really want to USE them, now do we?"[/quote]I think we tendered him for a year, so you guys would have had to wait a year to get him if not for the trade.

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[quote=Oakland Red;227086]Mistakes have been made, and right now releasing Walt Harris could be one of the biggest ones.[/quote]
To my surprise Walt has been good at #2 Corner. I really didn't think the move was that great in the offseason but Harris has been the MVP of our mostly trash defense.

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[quote=SouperMeister;227654]Both Betts and Duckett are free agents after this season. If Duckett never sees the light of day and signs elsewhere, giving up a 3rd rounder will have to go down as one of our worst trades.[/quote]
Thanks, I knew Duckett was on the last leg of his contract but didn't know about betts.

It's going to be interesting to see who they sign once they're left with the choice of one or the other.

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I am shocked that Duckets contract is over. I knew about Betts, this comes as a shock to me. This is exactly what I am talking about, what is the front office thinking?

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[quote=chris36;227702]I am shocked that Duckets contract is over. I knew about Betts, this comes as a shock to me. This is exactly what I am talking about, what is the front office thinking?[/quote]
Which gets back to my original comment in the thread - our front office tosses draft choices like confetti. We probably have more guys who were selected in the first round than any team in the league. In a perverse way, this can be a bad thing, since every one of those guys has gotten at least on large signing bonus, and may not be as hungry as the 3rd and 4th rounders fighting to establish their careers so they can cash in. Antonio Pierce (an undrafted FA) is a great example of a guy who was hungry to improve while he was here. I'd take guys with that work ethic and desire over many of the overpaid former 1st rounders currently wearing burgundy and gold - Rumph, Archuleta, Carter, and Wynn are prime examples on our leaky defense.

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[QUOTE=Longtimefan;227605]Plus, keep in mind many in Philly did not consider McNabb a superior QB, as a matter of fact they didn't want the team to draft him, they wanted Ricky Williams instead. They took McNabb, drveloped him, and he has paid dividens for them, and again he was their player. We took Jason Campbell, and instead of developing him the way most teams would have, he's still at square one mainly because of our overwhelming desire to "win now". I could live with a loosing season if it meant we were attempting to develop a QB of the future. The QB is the heart and soul of every team from an offensive standpoint, it would serve us well to start thinking in that direction starting now.[/QUOTE]

It didn't hurt Palmer to sit for a year, and it doesn't appear to be hurting Rivers to sit out two years. Campbell is going to be a great QB, but I don't know that there's any definitive proof that he'd be better off long-term playing right now. Didn't Delhomme sit a few years as well?

What I would like is for Campbell to play in NFL Europe next spring

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betts leaving could hurt...i think betts is great...when Portis runs good, he sees that and i think he is inspired to do better, and he does.....now duckett....jesus, it hurts to even talk about, so many missed oppurtunities to use him in the way we got him for, short yard 3rd/4th downs and goaline....
if duckett AND betts go, then we fucked up....period.

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[quote=chris36;227702]I am shocked that Duckets contract is over. I knew about Betts, this comes as a shock to me. This is exactly what I am talking about, what is the front office thinking?[/quote]

All they had to do is re-sign one of them.

Should the team not trade for someone unless they're under a long-term deal or something? In that case we wouldn't have gotten Moss.

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we need quality football stars

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Just a heads up, with the DL banged up it's likely that TJ won't dress again this weekend. Chalk it up to the conspiracy I guess.

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maybe even the conspiracy is a conspiracy!

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[quote=BrunellMVP?;227102]i can respect your theory that we are living in a "what have you done for me recently" type world...but couldn't the same be said for you guys, and your support of brunell? i mean, sure he did well (tossing the short balls) against houston and jacksonville but [U]the overall trend is that he can't beat you down field...his receivers may be able to, but he can't.[/U] when was the last time we had several sucessful LONG BOMBS? not 10 yard slants or screens that went for big plays...(not dimishing the value of these plays)??? the fact is he hasn't tossed big bombs, when it counts, in a LONG LONG time...
i wouldn't argue that long throws make the QB, but i woudl argue that you can't enjoy sustained sucess without it...what is mcnabb doing these days? manning? any of the other elite qbs?[/quote]

As a quarterback with smaller receivers, you can't just throw the ball up for grabs. Those guys have to get open, create separation. They haven't been able to do that for the most part yet.

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[quote=RiggoRules;227101]I think TJ for a 3rd rounder was a steal. We have needed a bruising, between the tackles and short yardage back for a while. But I don't get why we aren't using him.

As far as the 4th and 1 against the Giants, where we should have used him was on the 3rd and 1.[/quote]

I agree with you 100%. But, here is what Joe Bugel had to say about it:


"[In last Sunday's game against the Giants], we told our offensive football team before the game that we were going to throw the ball on our first 3rd-and-1 play because we were 100 percent run on 3rd-and-1 going into the game. They accepted that, and our first 3rd-and-1 play was in the third quarter.

"It turned out to be a big play because we didn't make it. It was a short pass to Chris Cooley. I'll tell you what, [the Giants] must have heard the play in the huddle because they played that pass really well.
"As coaches, you can't second-guess that call. You can't what-if it. Our players didn't second-guess it, either. I think, when you ask offensive linemen, they always want to run on 3rd-and-1. We told them we were going to take a shot on this pass play on 3rd-and-1, and we didn't make it. So be it.

Personally I think that is ridiculous to make that decision before the game. In my opinion you have to see how the flow of the game is going, how successful have we been running so far, etc. Dumb dumb dumb. I mean I can see scripting the first series of the game or whatever, but to make the decision to pass on the first 3rd and 1 before the game even starts is ridiculous.