Re: Pacman suspended for entire 2007 season!
 

Here we go..... sheesh..

Re: Pacman suspended for entire 2007 season!
 

[quote=Mattyk72;296016]no worse than booze, only difference is one is legal and one isn't.[/quote]


Right Pacman, I mean Mat, they both make your smarter to I'm quite sure.......LOL

1 YEAR!

Re: Pacman suspended for entire 2007 season!
 

[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;296023]I'll agree that marijuana laws are kinda dumb[I] to me[/I], but the fact is that they represent community standards. They can be repealed as soon as enough people apply pressure to their state legislatures to do so. Moreover, the penalties for possession of marijuana are really light and typically involve paying a relatively small fine. Almost no one does "time" for simple possession.

Dmek, with regard to the suppression of evidence, the law is pretty fair and evidence usually will not be suppressed without a damn good reason. In your hypo, the gun would be admissible in any jurisdiction with which I'm familiar.

I'm no legal scholar, but my limited experience with the law has led me to believe that it's getting a bad rap. Matty, you probably feel the same way about the insurance industry.[/quote]


Actually, whether or not the penalites for pot possession are light depends on where you are. In my state, first offense of <15 grams of pot is automatic probation. After that, first "freebie" a simple possession charge is not less than 90 days, no more than 6 months in jail regardless if its pot, coke, whatever. If you throw in an intent to deliver, now we have a felony. So, whether or not pot is penalized depends on your jurisdicition, but there are people that do time for possession. Dmek, the gun would come into evidence.

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I'm not going to try to defend anything Pacman Jones has done. However, I think his conduct is an indictment of the way young athletes are treated throughout their lives. Pacman's problems are not new...he was getting into trouble at WVU. Everyone knew it then, he has a problem. He can't stay outta trouble. No one ever did anything about it at West Virginia, all they did was enable him. All so they could make their millions of dollars by exploiting their players, but that's another topic. Pacman had trouble with the law at WVU and everyone around the university did everything they could to keep him on the field so they could make money. All he's ever learned is that as long as he performs on the field, his problems will go away off of it. As much as he made his own decisions, I feel sorry for a lot of the kids who grow up without the advantages most of the people judging them have enjoyed. Especially since, if they didn't have a father, the only males they really see are their coaches and they're too busy trying to figure out how to keep him on the field, rather than out of trouble. It's a little disturbing. I'm not condoning any of Pacman's actions, but I think there's a problem with this society, just as much as with him.

Another thought, Henry and Jones were both disciplinary problems in college. They also went to the same college, West Virginia. Why isn't Rich Rodriguez held accountable in any way? He did nothing about this when they were there. Where the hell was he? He just made sure they kept making the university money by taking them to a bowl game, it's bullshit.

Somehow, I don't think taking a troubled kid and making him a millionaire is the best way to solve people's problems. People should have seen this coming. I feel sorry for Pacman Jones.

Re: Pacman suspended for entire 2007 season!
 

[quote=skinsfan_nn;296025]Right Pacman, I mean Mat, they both make your smarter to I'm quite sure.......LOL

1 YEAR![/quote]

Regardless, killing brain cells should be a personal choice.

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[quote=Mattyk72;296036]Regardless, killing brain cells should be a personal choice.[/quote]


Oh and it is. Just not legally.........kill on

Re: Pacman suspended for entire 2007 season!
 

If Sean Taylor got suspended for 1 year by the NFL would we be happy?

Pacman is a thug but hasn't been convicted of any crime, yet?

Suspension is a political one for the media. Total Bullshit and way too long!

What about Jamal Lewis? Why didn't the NFL suspend him?

Herb should be legal though.......that's not bullshit!

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[QUOTE=hesscl34;296024]Here we go..... sheesh..[/QUOTE]

Nothing like a woman to ruin a man's sad attempt to pontificate on top of his soap box. :)

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What does a conviction have to do with anything? He makes the league look bad by getting in all this trouble. To rely on our justice system to create the proper scenario where he can be suspended is naive. He has behaved very badly and should be punished for it whether he gets off legally or not.

A good example: He had marijuana possession charges dropped because his mom magically claimed it was all hers. Even though the stuff was in his bedroom in his house. So because he didn't get convicted for this he shouldn't be punished by the league?

The legal system in this country is far too faulty and often far too permissive to use it as anything more than part of the equation.

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[QUOTE=JDALY27;296076]
What about Jamal Lewis? Why didn't the NFL suspend him? [/QUOTE]

They did, albeit only for 4 games. I think things just reached the tipping point, where there had been so many highly publicized arrests that something dramatic had to be done to send out a warning shot.

Re: Pacman suspended for entire 2007 season!
 

[quote=FRPLG;296088]What does a conviction have to do with anything? He makes the league look bad by getting in all this trouble. To rely on our justice system to create the proper scenario where he can be suspended is naive. He has behaved very badly and should be punished for it whether he gets off legally or not.

A good example: He had marijuana possession charges dropped because his mom magically claimed it was all hers. Even though the stuff was in his bedroom in his house. So because he didn't get convicted for this he shouldn't be punished by the league?

The legal system in this country is far too faulty and often far too permissive to use it as anything more than part of the equation.[/quote]



It sets a dangerous standard of suspension. What is obviously bad PR for the league can change depending on how the NFL interprets those actions. No legal conviction is required so its based on the NFL's opinion. Don't think that Paul Tagli would have handed out such harsh punishments.

Re: Pacman suspended for entire 2007 season!
 

[QUOTE=JDALY27;296092]It sets a dangerous standard of suspension. What is obviously bad PR for the league can change depending on how the NFL interprets those actions. No legal conviction is required so its based on the NFL's opinion. Don't think that Paul Tagli would have handed out such harsh punishments.[/QUOTE]

The Commish isn't dumb, he's not going to start suspending players left and right and booting guys outta clubs because that would simply hurt the NFL's image even more and its bottom line. I wouldn't be too fearful that things will get out of control.

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the thing about pacman is even if the union fights this and gets the suspension shortened, the Titans can suspend him based on the fact he didn't disclose two arrests that happened in another state. So either way, he is done for the year. The titans suspension can not be challenged due to Pacman failure to disclose those arrests.

Henry on the other hand could get his shortened if the union fought it. I dont think they will though. They would get huge backlash from every direction if they did.

Both of these idiots played at WVU (sorry to say I am a WVU guy at this point) so most of their issues were swept under the rug while they were in college. Both got into some trouble but never paid the price for it. Now they are learning their actions do have consequences.

Good job commish!!

Re: Pacman suspended for entire 2007 season!
 

[QUOTE=JDALY27;296076]If Sean Taylor got suspended for 1 year by the NFL would we be happy?

Pacman is a thug but hasn't been convicted of any crime, yet?

Suspension is a political one for the media. Total Bullshit and way too long!

What about Jamal Lewis? Why didn't the NFL suspend him?

Herb should be legal though.......that's not bullshit![/QUOTE]

You make a valid point. As long as the NFL and Goodell apease the media waving Jones around like a mascot for everything that 's wrong with NFL, and never addressing the solution to the problem which lies in the rookie orientation seminars that should have been emphasized to every player coming out of college. Instead Goodell, met with Jones to show how fair and concerned he is about this lingering situation making up rules as he goes along. Hypocrisy has become the order of the day when it comes to young players and out of touch commissoners! (i.e., Stern, Goodell)

Re: Pacman suspended for entire 2007 season!
 

[QUOTE=JDALY27;296092]It sets a dangerous standard of suspension. What is obviously bad PR for the league can change depending on how the NFL interprets those actions. No legal conviction is required so its based on the NFL's opinion. Don't think that Paul Tagli would have handed out such harsh punishments.[/QUOTE]

The NFL's opinion is the only thing that should matter. It is their league and these are their employees. I maintain that using thr US justice system as anything other part of the equation is much too lenient. Guys like Henry and Pacman are bad for the league, the other players, the teams and the union. But by your standard no one should do anything about Pacman since he hasn't been convicted. That is silly.