Re: Portis v. Betts: The Grass is Always Greener
 

[quote=GTripp0012;370866]Again, though, that doesn't excuse failure in the open field.

Portis hasn't been good for us this year. He looks like he's too hurt to improve in the short term.

Plenty of guys can fail behind this offensive line, we don't need to keep on chuggin' until Portis can succeed.[/quote]

Problem is he's not even able to get to the open field, sometimes he's lucky to just get back to the LOS.

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[quote=Mattyk72;370875]Problem is he's not even able to get to the open field, sometimes he's lucky to just get back to the LOS.[/quote]Oftentimes, yes.

And when he does get the oppertunity, he gets tripped up by whatever blew across in the breeze.

I'm not making this up, he's really struggling to gain postive yardage in similar situations to plays that he would break wide open two years ago.

Re: Portis v. Betts: The Grass is Always Greener
 

So with the updated Cap Sheets up there, it's pretty easy to see why guys start talking about Betts over CP right now. You may say, "Betts isn't any better than Portis!" or "Portis is by far the better, more complete players!", and you may be right.

But, I think we're all looking at that glistening $41m of remaining contract and thinking, "wow... Ladell makes a quarter of that?"

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[QUOTE=GTripp0012;370882]Oftentimes, yes.

And when he does get the oppertunity, he gets tripped up by whatever blew across in the breeze.

I'm not making this up, he's really struggling to gain postive yardage in similar situations to plays that he would break wide open two years ago.[/QUOTE]

I don't think that there is a big difference between how we see this issue GTripp. But, I cannot agree that Betts will be better than Portis (unless the O-line improves). I also cannot agree that Portis is getting tripped up by whatever blew across in the breeze. The guy is still one damn physical back and he usually doesn't go down by just getting touched.

Dgack,

I am definitely disappointed in Portis' production. However, I think 90% of his woes have to do with the piss-poor play of the O-line and the fact that defenses know that we are going to run left a disproportionate amount of the time. I do agree though that Portis' numbers don't justify his salary. With regard to Betts, I think we can all agree that we signed him at rock-bottom prices.

I heard a lot of people saying Edge had "lost IT" after he went to Arizona. Now that Russ Grimm is coaching Arizona's line, surprise, surprise, the Edge has IT again. IMO, if our line starts playing better, we will see Portis start posting great numbers again and he will have rediscovered IT.

Finally, I hope you know that I am not pissy with you. You have presented coherent arguments. I have enjoyed talking with people like you and GTripp about this subject. I just can't the posters who write things like "Porits stikns , he is being the worstest back ever."

Re: Portis v. Betts: The Grass is Always Greener
 

Bring John Riggins out of retirement!!!

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Re: Portis v. Betts: The Grass is Always Greener
 

I'm not going to get into the argument over why Portis is playing so terrible. I'm sure it's a combination of many things including contract year and previous injuries. Honestly though I would love to see Betts start getting more reps. I know when he has gotten them this season he really hasn't done anything with them but I think he just needs to find his rhythm out there like he did last year.

Whatever it is though the bottom line is this:
Portis isn't performing even close to what he should be and if our running game doesen't get started either this week or next, I think it is time for a change.

Re: Portis v. Betts: The Grass is Always Greener
 

[QUOTE=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;370989]I don't think that there is a big difference between how we see this issue GTripp. But, I cannot agree that Betts will be better than Portis (unless the O-line improves). I also cannot agree that Portis is getting tripped up by whatever blew across in the breeze. The guy is still one damn physical back and he usually doesn't go down by just getting touched.

Dgack,

I am definitely disappointed in Portis' production. However, I think 90% of his woes have to do with the piss-poor play of the O-line and the fact that defenses know that we are going to run left a disproportionate amount of the time. I do agree though that Portis' numbers don't justify his salary. With regard to Betts, I think we can all agree that we signed him at rock-bottom prices.

I heard a lot of people saying Edge had "lost IT" after he went to Arizona. Now that Russ Grimm is coaching Arizona's line, surprise, surprise, the Edge has IT again. IMO, if our line starts playing better, we will see Portis start posting great numbers again and he will have rediscovered IT.

Finally, I hope you know that I am not pissy with you. You have presented coherent arguments. I have enjoyed talking with people like you and GTripp about this subject. I just can't the posters who write things like "Porits stikns , he is being the worstest back ever."[/QUOTE]

Nice reference about Edge....and very true. I've just read through all 5 pages of this thread, and I actually think most of these points are valid. Obviously with the O line injuries, the running game isn't working great...but it does seem to me that Portis isn't what he used to be....he's not making anyone miss and most of the time is brought down by 1 guy, granted a lot of times that guy is in the backfield, but he doesn't seem to have that quickness and burst like he used to....and the same thing goes for Moss as well....neither of them look right. I just hope it is some small injury or something and not attitude or something like that.

For the people that were talking about the $$$ that Portis is making vs. Betts, to me the money wasted right now is on Saunders. This play calling is nothing spectacular by any means, and I honestly feel that IF Joe was still calling the plays....there wouldn't be much difference....hell it may be even better and he'd be more involved and might give this offense an identity that it certainly does not have right now.

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[QUOTE=Cowell;371028]I'm not going to get into the argument over why Portis is playing so terrible. I'm sure it's a combination of many things including contract year and previous injuries. Honestly though I would love to see Betts start getting more reps. I know when he has gotten them this season he really hasn't done anything with them but I think he just needs to find his rhythm out there like he did last year.

Whatever it is though the bottom line is this:
Portis isn't performing even close to what he should be and if our running game doesen't get started either this week or next, I think it is time for a change.[/QUOTE]

As I said earlier, I think Betts needs to get more reps. That said, why should we make a switch before we see that Betts can actually do a better job than Portis after getting more reps?

Re: Portis v. Betts: The Grass is Always Greener
 

Well obviously if Betts has the around the same or worse production with his reps then I say keep it how it is because Portis is the better back. I would still like to see Betts get more reps though, something has to give.

Re: Portis v. Betts: The Grass is Always Greener
 

boy i'm sure glad portis miss training camp to keep him fresh for the regualr season. Because its sure paying off now. Instead of doing the dirty work the rest of the team had to do.

Re: Portis v. Betts: The Grass is Always Greener
 

Skins need to do more zone blocking, something Portis enjoyed in Denver while averaging 5.5 yards over 2 seasons . . . Gibbs has him running inside like he's Larry Brown. Unfortunately, Portis is taking Brown-like punishment.

Re: Portis v. Betts: The Grass is Always Greener
 

i was going to comment on the backs, but i think that it's an o-line issue. we went from having one of the top o-lines to one of the worst in 2 games. thomas and jansen aren't just bodies in there, they're all-pro linemen.

i think we forget too fast the game is won in the trenches. part of reason our D has been playing so well, yesterday aside, is that we've been getting pressure from our front four. heck we even sacked brady yesterday.

while unforunate, i wouldn't expect either betts or portis to do significantly better than the other. remember this was supposed to be the year of the two back league; we've just been fucked royally with injuries.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;370561]One of the biggest myths in Redskins history is that Betts is a power back.[/QUOTE]

And Portis is a franchise back as well.

Re: Portis v. Betts: The Grass is Always Greener
 

[QUOTE=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;370754]To repeat what has been repeated many times before, Champ Bailey was not going to stay in D.C. He told the coaches that they HAD to leave D.C. So, we can complain about losing Bailey all we want, but it was going to happen anyways. And, I distinctly remember everyone being estatic when Portis came to town. Finally, the guy totalled more than 3,000 yards in his first two seasons in D.C. and broke the franchise rushing record. So, I have no reason why people still insist on complaining about the trade.[/QUOTE]

Everyone?????:eek:

The fact is and I am going to sum this whole debate up here and now, Portis is nothing more than a third down change of pace type back, or a big time back in Denver take your pick, I believe Portis's problem now is the fact that he starting to realize he wasnt as good as he, or a lot of others thought he was coming out of Denver, now he has his tail between his legs because he knows he can not take the pounding of tough running. He needs to be with Denver where he can run in space for big gains, like when he amassed almost 500 yds and 7-8 TD's against none existent defenses like he did against KC twice a year when he was in Denver. We were had by Shanahan, he saw Gibbs coming a mile away, just like the Jags and Brunell.

As for Bailey, yes he wanted out but we were under no obligation to give him away as we did, we could have franchised him, received 2 #1 picks, and kept our 2nd rd pick we threw in with the Portis deal, that would have brought back a whole lot of talent if utilized properly, lets start with a RB in that draft by the name of Stephen Jackson, I think he would have fit in with Gibbs type of pound the ball running game, we could have drafted some O-linemen to help him out as well with all those picks, maybe we wouldn't be in such a mess right now with our o-line if we properly addressed it and built real quality depth. What am I thinking Portis is worth all that and more, now I am making myself laugh!

3 words for Portis, DENVER, SYSTEM, BACK!

Re: Portis v. Betts: The Grass is Always Greener
 

[QUOTE=offiss;371234]And Portis is a franchise back as well.[/QUOTE]

You are entitled to your opinion. You are also entitled to post pretty much whatever you want to post on this site. You also might be one fine human being. So, I hope you don't take this post as me getting all bent out of shape, but I cannot understand why exactly you post here.

All of your posts are the same (i.e., bitch about our players, make jokes about Gibbs' senility, etc.). Your take on the state of the team is almost always the same. I personally don't understand how people can never change their opinions about issues that are constantly changing (like the state of the team).

I have personally called out the coaches and various players. I have also given the coaches and the players. I call it like I see it. I think you, on the other hand, call things before you even see them. Ever since Ramsey was benched by Gibbs, you haven't been quite the same.

Again, I don't mean to personally attack you. I just can't get over how your posts are like a broken record.