Re: Can we now officially call Romo a choke artist?
 

[quote=Redskin;407283]Lets see manning is 7-6 in the playoffs, counting the superbowl but the difference he has never bobbled the snap of a 10 yard FG for the game winner. Romo may not be a choke artist but flying down to mexico with your girlfriend the week before the big game is no way of increasing your chances of victory. Peyton, or Brady would never do that.[/quote]

You took what I said a little out of context. The major discussion is whether or not it is too soon to call Romo a choke artist. My answer is yes it is premature. I used Peyton as an example of a guy who always got crap for not winning playoff games consistently. I am not saying that Romo is Peyton, but it is too early to tell who will have the better career when it is all over. The vacation issue that you brought up has no bearing on the thread question. Going on vacation does not earn you the label of "choker". It just means that you [B]may[/B] have questionable work ethic or priorities. Either way it is not my place to decide. That is between him, his co-workers, and his boss; and has zero relevance to this conversation.

Re: Can we now officially call Romo a choke artist?
 

If romo had come out and blew this game, I'd say we'd have a case to call him a choker, but that's not what happened. Not even close. He played well. Definitely well enough to win. It's not his job to catch passes or pass block. Or call the plays. How Garrett got away from running the ball in the second half, I'll never know. I'm supremely happy they lost, but I don't lay this on Romo. THe int was with 10 seconds left when he had to force it. At that point, he was counting on a receiver to make a play and, just as they had all day, they failed.

Re: Can we now officially call Romo a choke artist?
 

Regarding Romo and Simpson:

If his girlfriend was any anonymous woman, no one would have even cared that he was in Cabo. If anyone did find out they probably would've been happy because he took Witten and some other teammate along with him after being told by coach to get away from the game for a week. This b.s. is all smoke, no fire.

Re: Can we now officially call Romo a choke artist?
 

[quote=BleedBurgundy;407304]If romo had come out and blew this game, I'd say we'd have a case to call him a choker, but that's not what happened. Not even close. He played well. Definitely well enough to win. It's not his job to catch passes or pass block. Or call the plays. How Garrett got away from running the ball in the second half, I'll never know. I'm supremely happy they lost, but I don't lay this on Romo. THe int was with 10 seconds left when he had to force it. At that point, he was counting on a receiver to make a play and, just as they had all day, they failed.[/quote]

He had a couple dropped passes, but still, 50% completion percentage? He didn't play that well at all. Most of those completions were for short gains too.

Re: Can we now officially call Romo a choke artist?
 

yeah, but how many of those incompletions were drops or throwing off his back foot because he had a Giant's Dlineman in his face. He was under duress the entire 2nd half after the giants wore down his o line. Don't get me wrong, he's still a douche but I don't think he choked.

Re: Can we now officially call Romo a choke artist?
 

I'm starting to agree with GTripp on this one. This thread is...(Schneed?)

Re: Can we now officially call Romo a choke artist?
 

Yeah but this isn't something you evaluate with numbers. Romo's career is so young, and he's played only two playoff games. So looking at stats obviously isn't going to tell you much. What we do know, though, is that Tony Romo has started off the last two seasons absolutely red hot, but then played like asscrack coming down the stretch. He's not a choke artist because of his playoff performances, he's a choke artist because:

1) His December performances have been awful.

2) Like Matty said, he was not acting one bit like a leader in the 4th quarter yesterday. He was bitching at his guys. He was panicking. He was playing frantically. There was no poise whatsoever, no confident calm to his demeanor. You can just tell by looking at the guy - he's a decent QB with decent talent - but he has no intangibles. He's got an unorthodox delivery and a gunslinger's mentality just like Brett Favre, but none of Favre's take-charge leadership. That doesn't reflect in the numbers, you can only see that by watching the game and paying attention to human behavior.

So far in his young career, he's definitely a choke artist. He's got plenty of time to turn that around, but I honestly don't like his chances in the NEXT heat of the moment - he's just not a leader.

Re: Can we now officially call Romo a choke artist?
 

[quote=Mattyk72;407072]0-2 in the playoffs, a 13-3 team gets bounced from the divisional round, what do you think?

Does Romo = choker?[/quote]\

STUPID THREAD. Why is it that most of the Redskin fans just don't like Romo and Brady? I think it's personal just cause they date hot women, they are good at what they do and they are good looking guys. Personally I don't think Romo is all that good looking, but that's me. A long time ago we had a QB just like these guys. His name was Joe Thiesmann.

Did you actually watch the game? If so how can you call Romo a choker? The guy was under serious pressure all game long. Give the Giants some credit cause they can rush the passer with their front 4. What about throwing some blame to Crayton for dropping a potential TD? What about Jason Garrett who IMO called a shitty game and seemed to go away from the running game? I'm with TO on this one. It's a total team loss!

Re: Can we now officially call Romo a choke artist?
 

[QUOTE=BleedBurgundy;407305]Regarding Romo and Simpson:

If his girlfriend was any anonymous woman, no one would have even cared that he was in Cabo. If anyone did find out they probably would've been happy because he took Witten and some other teammate along with him after being told by coach to get away from the game for a week. This b.s. is all smoke, no fire.[/QUOTE]

I agree with most of what you said,I dont think romo played well,but I dont think he choked,he was on his back most of the 2nd half.
Your probably right that no one would have cared if his girlfriend was anonymous,but she wasnt,he knew that,he knew about the critisism he got from the eagles game,he should have known better

Re: Can we now officially call Romo a choke artist?
 

[QUOTE=Schneed10;407335]Yeah but this isn't something you evaluate with numbers. Romo's career is so young, and he's played only two playoff games. So looking at stats obviously isn't going to tell you much. What we do know, though, is that Tony Romo has started off the last two seasons absolutely red hot, but then played like asscrack coming down the stretch. He's not a choke artist because of his playoff performances, he's a choke artist because:

1) His December performances have been awful.

2) Like Matty said, he was not acting one bit like a leader in the 4th quarter yesterday. He was bitching at his guys. He was panicking. He was playing frantically. There was no poise whatsoever, no confident calm to his demeanor. You can just tell by looking at the guy - he's a decent QB with decent talent - but he has no intangibles. He's got an unorthodox delivery and a gunslinger's mentality just like Brett Favre, but none of Favre's take-charge leadership. That doesn't reflect in the numbers, you can only see that by watching the game and paying attention to human behavior.

So far in his young career, he's definitely a choke artist. He's got plenty of time to turn that around, but I honestly don't like his chances in the NEXT heat of the moment - he's just not a leader.[/QUOTE]

Nice post.

Re: Can we now officially call Romo a choke artist?
 

[quote=skinsfan69;407336]\

STUPID THREAD. Why is it that most of the Redskin fans just don't like Romo and Brady? I think it's personal just cause they date hot women, they are good at what they do and they are good looking guys. Personally I don't think Romo is all that good looking, but that's me. A long time ago we had a QB just like these guys. His name was Joe Thiesmann.

Did you actually watch the game? If so how can you call Romo a choker? The guy was under serious pressure all game long. Give the Giants some credit cause they can rush the passer with their front 4. What about throwing some blame to Crayton for dropping a potential TD? What about Jason Garrett who IMO called a shitty game and seemed to go away from the running game? I'm with TO on this one. It's a total team loss![/quote]

Because he was bitching at his offensive line, playing frantically when under pressure, was taking huge sacks (10-12 yard losses) instead of standing in, stepping up in the pocket, and taking the sack for just a 5 yard loss. He also got called for a key intentional grounding penalty helping to kill one of his drives. He was in the pocket and purposely heaved it practically into the stands. Then on another play, he had rolled out of the pocket but failed to throw the ball away (which would not have been intentional grounding) and instead took a huge sack. You could tell he was rattled and wasn't using his head.

Re: Can we now officially call Romo a choke artist?
 

[quote=Schneed10;407335]Yeah but this isn't something you evaluate with numbers. Romo's career is so young, and he's played only two playoff games. So looking at stats obviously isn't going to tell you much. What we do know, though, is that Tony Romo has started off the last two seasons absolutely red hot, but then played like asscrack coming down the stretch. He's not a choke artist because of his playoff performances, he's a choke artist because:

1) His December performances have been awful.

2) Like Matty said, he was not acting one bit like a leader in the 4th quarter yesterday. He was bitching at his guys. He was panicking. He was playing frantically. There was no poise whatsoever, no confident calm to his demeanor. You can just tell by looking at the guy - he's a decent QB with decent talent - but he has no intangibles. He's got an unorthodox delivery and a gunslinger's mentality just like Brett Favre, but none of Favre's take-charge leadership. That doesn't reflect in the numbers, you can only see that by watching the game and paying attention to human behavior.

So far in his young career, he's definitely a choke artist. He's got plenty of time to turn that around, but I honestly don't like his chances in the NEXT heat of the moment - he's just not a leader.[/quote]

C'mon Schneed. The O-line was getting manhandled. The center kept screwing up. You can't blame him for getting frustrated with the O-line. I've seen Farve get on his guys for running the wrong routes. But it's funny when Farve does it it's leadership. Romo could have played better. No doubt about it. But it didn't seem like he was getting much help.

Can anyone around here actually give the NYG some credit?? 9 straight road wins in the NFL is just ridiculous.

Re: Can we now officially call Romo a choke artist?
 

[QUOTE=Mattyk72;407072]0-2 in the playoffs, a 13-3 team gets bounced from the divisional round, what do you think?

Does Romo = choker?[/QUOTE]"The Cowboys did not choke. The Giants choked them..."-Mike Vaccaro, NY Post

Re: Can we now officially call Romo a choke artist?
 

[quote=Schneed10;407341]Because he was bitching at his offensive line, playing frantically when under pressure, was taking huge sacks [I][B](10-12 yard losses) [/B][/I]instead of standing in, stepping up in the pocket, and taking the sack for just a 5 yard loss. He also got called for a key intentional grounding penalty helping to kill one of his drives. He was in the pocket and purposely heaved it practically into the stands. Then on another play, he had rolled out of the pocket but failed to throw the ball away (which would not have been intentional grounding) and instead took a huge sack. You could tell he was rattled and wasn't using his head.[/quote]

If I'm a Cowboys fan this would drive me NUTS about him. People have figured out that he's going to run away from pressure and try to throw on the run rather than in the pocket. He keeps running back ten to twenty yards and either heaves it up, PRAYING someone comes down with it or takes a HUGE sack.

And no skinsfan69, it's not because they date hot chicks, most of us here date or are married to hot chicks. It's because they are total douches, and at least Brady unlike Romo takes some responsibility for his team.

Re: Can we now officially call Romo a choke artist?
 

[quote=Schneed10;407341]Because he was bitching at his offensive line, playing frantically when under pressure, was taking huge sacks (10-12 yard losses) instead of standing in, stepping up in the pocket, and taking the sack for just a 5 yard loss. He also got called for a key intentional grounding penalty helping to kill one of his drives. He was in the pocket and purposely heaved it practically into the stands. Then on another play, he had rolled out of the pocket but failed to throw the ball away (which would not have been intentional grounding) and instead took a huge sack. You could tell he was rattled and wasn't using his head.[/quote]

I agree. He was rattled. But I don't see many QB's in the NFL that don't get rattled when they are under pressure. No question he screwed up. But what about Dallas getting beat on special teams? Allowing two big returns that set up NYG scores? All the blame gets thrown to Romo. He should get some blame but to call him a choker is just going too far.