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I respect the opinions of others but an owner shouldn't put together a staff before a head coach unless he just wants to bring in a yes man coach.

Most successful coaches are going to want to do things their own way. They are going to get the praise and blame so why not do it on their own terms.

My theory is that DS is too meddlesome and VC is a below average executive vice president.

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[quote=redsk1;413557]I respect the opinions of others but an owner shouldn't put together a staff before a head coach unless he just wants to bring in a yes man coach.

Most successful coaches are going to want to do things their own way. They are going to get the praise and blame so why not do it on their own terms.

My theory is that DS is too meddlesome and VC is a below average executive vice president.[/quote]He probably didn't hire the coordinators without his HC's approval. He's got his guy, we just don't know who it is yet.

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[quote=GTripp0012;413561]He probably didn't hire the coordinators without his HC's approval. He's got his guy, we just don't know who it is yet.[/quote]
You know what your probably right....he's got the guy we just don't know who it is...and alot of people have been really quiet

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are there any other coaches that left too? is burns, bugel, or broux gonna be around next year. im guessing that the defense staff will all be back?

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[quote=GTripp0012;413561]He probably didn't hire the coordinators without his HC's approval. He's got his guy, we just don't know who it is yet.[/quote]

Maybe, but really that's a guess. We're going to interview Spagnuola so he's our new coach? He's approved our o and d coord's? I didn't think we're were allowed to speak w/ him yet.

I hope they have a probable HC that has approved these deals but w/ DS/VC's history i'm not sure.

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[QUOTE=GTripp0012;413561]He probably didn't hire the coordinators without his HC's approval. He's got his guy, we just don't know who it is yet.[/QUOTE]

Well, if they already made the hire, why not make it public? If it's one of the SB coaches and they're doing this under the table, then the crap's going to hit the wall if it's announced. Cries of "tampering" would be made and the Skins would have to compensate either the Pats of the G-Men (probably with draft picks). I hope that this really isn't the path they are on.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;413170]Alright I'm going to toss my hat in the ring and toss out this theory as to what the plan is.

With Gibbs out of the picture, the nice and easy solution would have been to retain Williams as HC and leave the rest of the staff relatively intact.

Here's the hitch though, this staff was Joe Gibbs' staff. He put it together and let's face it, it wasn't exactly a staff built for the long term. I'm not sure of the average age of the staff, but it's got to be right at the top for one of the oldest, errr, I mean experienced staffs in the league. Again, not a staff built for the long term and not one that was picked by Williams.

So what I'm saying is, even if Williams took over, there was going to be some pretty significant changes. Saunders was probably outta here no matter what, and guys like Breaux and Burns weren't going to stick around with Gibbs out of the picture. You promote GW, you need a new DC, so that's another open spot on the staff. A few other coach's have contracts that are up, so who knows if they would have been retained as well.

There have always been rumblings that Williams and Snyder weren't exactly best buddies the past few years, and Gibbs was the buffer between the two. Just look at Williams' style. Tough guy, disciplinarian, on the arrogant side, sound familiar? Sounds a little like another coach that Snyder didn't play nice with... Marty Schottenheimer. In summary, Williams and Snyder probably weren't going to last in the long run. Eventually their egos would have clashed (probably sooner rather than later), and then where would that have left things? In search of another new HC and more turmoil? If you ask me, if Snyder has any doubt about working with Williams for the long run, the right move is to not even try to go there. Cut the head off this thing now and move on rather than trying to avoid the inevitable. He tried this once with Marty and we all know how that worked out. He doesn't want to go down that road again.

So ultimately I think the plan is to put together a staff for the long run. If that means taking a step backwards now in order to take steps ahead in the future, this is what has to be done. It certainly isn't pretty, but it seems like this is what needs to happen in order for Snyder to have a staff in place that he is comfortable with going forward with.

I have to say that I already like the Zorn hiring, and before you jump all over this notion that why did they hire an OC without having a HC first, let's just point out that Dallas did the same exact thing last year when they hired Garrett before Phillips. Zorn was reportedly high on the lists of all the potential HC's, so it was a no-brainer. I think we're going to see some more quality hirings too and in the end once the dust settles we just might like the looks of the new staff. Give it some more time, stay patient, and let's judge the entire package once everything is in place. Did anyone see the Zorn hiring coming a few weeks ago? I sure didn't. That tells me that someone is doing their homework in this search to turn up quality assistants and they're not just shooting for the big names. Look at some of the other names that have been floated out there. Schwartz, Meeks, Spagnola... not exactly the sexy big names that we always blame Snyder for going after.

Feel free to agree or disagree, but let's just keep things civil. There seems to be this notion that the moderators here don't want to hear any dissenting opinions. That's simply not true, what we're looking for is less emotional over the top stuff and more civil rational discussion.

Fire away. :)[/QUOTE]

Thanks for finally coming around to my way of thinking about the Gibbs staff and the staff of the future.

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Spot On.

[QUOTE=redsk1;413557]I respect the opinions of others but an owner shouldn't put together a staff before a head coach unless he just wants to bring in a yes man coach.

Most successful coaches are going to want to do things their own way. They are going to get the praise and blame so why not do it on their own terms.

.[/QUOTE]

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[quote=DCUNITEDFAN;413877]Spot On.[/quote]

Guess you guys missed this part

[QUOTE]I have to say that I already like the Zorn hiring, and before you jump all over this notion that why did they hire an OC without having a HC first, let's just point out that Dallas did the same exact thing last year when they hired Garrett before Phillips. Zorn was reportedly high on the lists of all the potential HC's, so it was a no-brainer.[/QUOTE]

Re: Theory: Putting together a staff for the future
 

[quote=Mattyk72;413170]Alright I'm going to toss my hat in the ring and toss out this theory as to what the plan is.

With Gibbs out of the picture, the nice and easy solution would have been to retain Williams as HC and leave the rest of the staff relatively intact.

Here's the hitch though, this staff was Joe Gibbs' staff. He put it together and let's face it, it wasn't exactly a staff built for the long term. I'm not sure of the average age of the staff, but it's got to be right at the top for one of the oldest, errr, I mean experienced staffs in the league. Again, not a staff built for the long term and not one that was picked by Williams.

So what I'm saying is, even if Williams took over, there was going to be some pretty significant changes. Saunders was probably outta here no matter what, and guys like Breaux and Burns weren't going to stick around with Gibbs out of the picture. You promote GW, you need a new DC, so that's another open spot on the staff. A few other coach's have contracts that are up, so who knows if they would have been retained as well.

There have always been rumblings that Williams and Snyder weren't exactly best buddies the past few years, and Gibbs was the buffer between the two. Just look at Williams' style. Tough guy, disciplinarian, on the arrogant side, sound familiar? Sounds a little like another coach that Snyder didn't play nice with... Marty Schottenheimer. In summary, Williams and Snyder probably weren't going to last in the long run. Eventually their egos would have clashed (probably sooner rather than later), and then where would that have left things? In search of another new HC and more turmoil? If you ask me, if Snyder has any doubt about working with Williams for the long run, the right move is to not even try to go there. Cut the head off this thing now and move on rather than trying to avoid the inevitable. He tried this once with Marty and we all know how that worked out. He doesn't want to go down that road again.

So ultimately I think the plan is to put together a staff for the long run. If that means taking a step backwards now in order to take steps ahead in the future, this is what has to be done. It certainly isn't pretty, but it seems like this is what needs to happen in order for Snyder to have a staff in place that he is comfortable with going forward with.

I have to say that I already like the Zorn hiring, and before you jump all over this notion that why did they hire an OC without having a HC first, let's just point out that Dallas did the same exact thing last year when they hired Garrett before Phillips. Zorn was reportedly high on the lists of all the potential HC's, so it was a no-brainer. I think we're going to see some more quality hirings too and in the end once the dust settles we just might like the looks of the new staff. Give it some more time, stay patient, and let's judge the entire package once everything is in place. Did anyone see the Zorn hiring coming a few weeks ago? I sure didn't. That tells me that someone is doing their homework in this search to turn up quality assistants and they're not just shooting for the big names. Look at some of the other names that have been floated out there. Schwartz, Meeks, Spagnola... not exactly the sexy big names that we always blame Snyder for going after.

Feel free to agree or disagree, but let's just keep things civil. There seems to be this notion that the moderators here don't want to hear any dissenting opinions. That's simply not true, what we're looking for is less emotional over the top stuff and more civil rational discussion.

Fire away. :)[/quote]

Well thought, well written and well received. I hope you are correct.

Re: Theory: Putting together a staff for the future
 

[quote=redwagonskins;413711]Well, if they already made the hire, why not make it public? If it's one of the SB coaches and they're doing this under the table, then the crap's going to hit the wall if it's announced. Cries of "tampering" would be made and the Skins would have to compensate either the Pats of the G-Men (probably with draft picks). I hope that this really isn't the path they are on.[/quote]
We didnt exactly make joe gibbs hiring very public either.

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All of this is making my head hurt. Just announce the head coach already.

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First, nice to see that we're applauding Snyder for following in Jerry Jones' footsteps. We'll see how much we like it when he names himself GM as Jones has done down in Dallas.

Hiring a staff before you hire a head coach is one sure way to let everyone know who's in charge. Zorn and Blache will be beholden to Snyder, not the head coach. So we've got Blache bringing his style of defense, Zorn with his style of offense, what is the head coach going to do again?

Re: Theory: Putting together a staff for the future
 

[quote=memphisskin;414119]First, nice to see that we're applauding Snyder for following in Jerry Jones' footsteps. We'll see how much we like it when he names himself GM as Jones has done down in Dallas.

Hiring a staff before you hire a head coach is one sure way to let everyone know who's in charge. Zorn and Blache will be beholden to Snyder, not the head coach. So we've got Blache bringing his style of defense, Zorn with his style of offense, [B]what is the head coach going to do again[/B]?[/quote]

Exactly what Gibbs did. Be the face of the staff and provide leadership.