Re: Do You think Betts is Expendable?
 

I like how this thread has a thumbs down just because of the question haha

Re: Do You think Betts is Expendable?
 

[quote=Paintrain;553119]The fumble:carry ratio for Betts is way higher than you'd want from a back you'd count on for any length of time. Portis is nowhere close in that ratio.[/quote]

It's not as bad as you may think.

Betts fumbles once every 73 touches.

Portis fumbles once every 91 touches.

Some other notables:

Adrian Peterson fumbles once every 49 touches. (now this is a fumbling problem)

Edgerrin James fumbles once every 79 touches.

Re: Do You think Betts is Expendable?
 

[quote=Mattyk72;553130]It's not as bad as you may think.

Betts fumbles once every 73 touches.

Portis fumbles once every 91 touches.

Some other notables:

Adrian Peterson fumbles once every 49 touches. (now this is a fumbling problem)

Edgerrin James fumbles once every 79 touches.[/quote]

Good stuff Matty...muchas gracias.

Re: Do You think Betts is Expendable?
 

[quote=Mattyk72;553130]It's not as bad as you may think.

Betts fumbles once every 73 touches.

Portis fumbles once every 91 touches.

Some other notables:

Adrian Peterson fumbles once every 49 touches. (now this is a fumbling problem)

Edgerrin James fumbles once every 79 touches.[/quote]
You and your damn stats and math. Nobody likes a smarty pants. :spank:

Re: Do You think Betts is Expendable?
 

Betts has been around a while and has never broken through. He filled in for clinton and played his ass off in a contract year. He should've been traded after that and we could have got good value for him. Not now though.

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He would be expendable if the Skins drafted properly...but they didn't...so...we need him

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[quote=skinsnut;553280]He would be expendable if the Skins drafted properly...but they didn't...so...we need him[/quote]

Who didn't we draft and where that you would have replaced him with? I'm not a big Betts fan, but just curious.

Re: Do You think Betts is Expendable?
 

[quote=skinsnut;553280]He would be expendable if the Skins drafted properly...but they didn't...so...we need him[/quote]

So if the Skins had drafted a RB in the 3rd round, you would be sending Betts packing? Otherwise you're telling me that you would have been willing to take Knowshon or Wells at #13. How would you have drafted "properly" that right now at this instant you'd be willing to get rid of Ladell Betts.

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The NFL is clearly moving away from the 1 back system. While portis is great, he can't withstand the punishment of an entire NFL season as 25+ carry per game back and still function at the level he's accustomed. Not only do we need a capable backup, we need an explosive robin to Portis' batman. I guess what I'm saying is not only is Betts not expendable, we should be looking for an explosive upgrade.

Re: Do You think Betts is Expendable?
 

[quote=BrunellMVP?;553901]The NFL is clearly moving away from the 1 back system. While portis is great, he can't withstand the punishment of an entire NFL season as 25+ carry per game back and still function at the level he's accustomed. Not only do we need a capable backup, we need an explosive robin to Portis' batman. I guess what I'm saying is not only is Betts not expendable, we should be looking for an explosive upgrade.[/quote]

Well put. I agree.

Re: Do You think Betts is Expendable?
 

Ladell is only expendable...once we acquire a suitable replacement.

Re: Do You think Betts is Expendable?
 

[quote=Mattyk72;553130]It's not as bad as you may think.

Betts fumbles once every 73 touches.

Portis fumbles once every 91 touches.

Some other notables:

Adrian Peterson fumbles once every 49 touches. (now this is a fumbling problem)

Edgerrin James fumbles once every 79 touches.[/quote]

So Betts fumbles at a rate 20% higher than Portis. I may be in the minority, but to me that looks like you just made the point that Betts is a significant downgrade to Portis in that respect. And, the NFL average for 2007 is about 1 per 91 carries (just like CP!)

To put it another way, we can expect Betts to fumble once every 3 games and expect Portis to fumble once ever 4 games (if they have equal carries). If they were equal runners, and I don't think Betts is as good as Portis, Betts statistically could costs us 1 more loss a year than Portis because of fumbles.

I like Betts, but it seems clear that he needs to tighten up the fumble issue. But, that's just me.

Re: Do You think Betts is Expendable?
 

[quote=GoSkins!;553936]So Betts fumbles at a rate 20% higher than Portis. I may be in the minority, but to me that looks like you just made the point that Betts is a significant downgrade to Portis in that respect. And, the NFL average for 2007 is about 1 per 91 carries (just like CP!)

To put it another way, we can expect Betts to fumble once every 3 games and expect Portis to fumble once ever 4 games (if they have equal carries). If they were equal runners, and I don't think Betts is as good as Portis, Betts statistically could costs us 1 more loss a year than Portis because of fumbles.

I like Betts, but it seems clear that he needs to tighten up the fumble issue. But, that's just me.[/quote]

He's had 2 fumbles the last 2 seasons after those 6 in 2006. Seems like he tightened it up to me.

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We all know Portis is the man. Unless he gets hurt.

Betts is a great second stringer. Yes, he filled in admirably while Portis was hurt which is why I would keep him and he has the ability to be utilized as a KR/PR. Unless we find someone else who is as good or better he's on the team.

I totally agree with those of you who keep saying Rock is a leader. No question. I totally agree with those who say Rock is one of the best special teamers. No question. The only issue I have is the fact he is not that great of a RB. The question I pose is if we could find someone else who can do KR and PR as good or better then Rock can we let him go? There is no questoin he's not a great leader, but we have leaders all over the field including special teams. If anyone was expendable in the RB position I would think it would be Rock only cause he is 3rd string, and only performs one job admirably and that being a KR. He does not even do the PR duties.

If the team wanted a slasher/scat back then I would hope it is one of the two Aldridge or Dorsey to take over the 3rd stringer position. Then the team can play Portis, when he gets tired put Betts in, and if they need a change of pace put Aldridge or Dorsey in whoever wins the spot.

Somewhere in there I would like to find a young RB for the future to groom to replace Portis and Betts. Now "IF" Mason should happen to step up and play better then Betts then keep Mason. I doubt that will happen as much of a Mason fan as I am. If they could find another RB who is younger to start to groom then fine. I remember recently the majority of you guys wanted the team to get younger. Now no one is expendable.

Re: Do You think Betts is Expendable?
 

[quote=Mattyk72;553130]It's not as bad as you may think.

Betts fumbles once every 73 touches.

Portis fumbles once every 91 touches.

Some other notables:

Adrian Peterson fumbles once every 49 touches. (now this is a fumbling problem)

Edgerrin James fumbles once every 79 touches.[/quote]

The thing with Betts is... he just seems to fumble at the worst god damn times in games. I can think of 3 times right off the top of my head where it cost us or could have cost us a game. This year vs Seattle, we were running out the clock, two mintues to go... fumble...

2007 vs Philadelphia, we had all the momentum in the world... Betts fumbled.

2006 vs St. Louis ... Granted, this game meant sh*t at the time cause we were way out of it, but right at the end of the game he fubmled, they came down scored, won in OT.

2006, it was at the begining of the game, again another meaningless one, agsint the Giatns to end the season, we were rolling down the field to start the game... Fumble, Giants return it almost the distance.

Thats right off the top of my head too... I mean I like Betts, I dont want to see him go... but the fumbling kills me, because it just happens at the worst times... in addition, I think him and Portis are far to similar. I want to see a change of pace back, which I dont think Betts provides.