Re: Holmgren on Campbell
 

[quote=The Goat;556296]Haha. Kind of ironic how many of us tend to agree the OL is the central cog of an offense yet we're basically relying on everyone else to step up because the line didn't get much attention (again) this offseason. Maybe it's the sunshine but i'm optimistic about the situation. While i expect the right side of the line to really struggle again JC will still find a way to improve and our WR corp should be at the next level. [B]Altogether we should be an offense capable of a winning season.[/B][/quote]

Yes. I have no expectations of seeing something like the Greatest Show on Turf and certainly expect the offense to struggle at times, but I think the offense will be improved enough so that we are quite competitive.

Re: Holmgren on Campbell
 

Yeah Holmgren's advice was pretty straight forward( almost a no brainer). JC h as the tools for sure, just has to get the mental crap down pat and more importantly, get a healthy O line plus guys that can actually catch the ball(other than Moss).

Re: Holmgren on Campbell
 

[quote=CRedskinsRule;556288]Actually, Jason had had a problem with fumbling/ints so yes for that it was a breakout year as Lotus said. You then harped on yards and TDs, which Lotus also said he was not including, but hopes for that part this year. Also, our whole offense stalled at the 50 to 20, and even Zorn acknowledged that that was an area HE was looking to improve his playcalling in. I don't see a redzone stat on pro football reference, but I think our numbers were not below average, we just didn't get there enough.[/quote]

we were 21st in total yards....thats below average. 28th in scoring....

Re: Holmgren on Campbell
 

[quote=redskins1974;556317]we were 21st in total yards....thats below average. 28th in scoring....[/quote]

CRedskinsRule was talking specifically about the red zone.

Re: Holmgren on Campbell
 

[quote=redskins1974;556317]we were 21st in total yards....thats below average. 28th in scoring....[/quote]Unfortunately, your knowledge of our offense last year seems to end at this, so color us unconvinced at your argument.

Re: Holmgren on Campbell
 

[quote=GTripp0012;556325]Unfortunately, your knowledge of our offense last year seems to end at this, so color us unconvinced at your argument.[/quote]

You're so cold Tripp. :)

Re: Holmgren on Campbell
 

Obviously, he was talking to Snyder. Holmgren had like 6 years in Seattle and finally made the BIg Game. Zorn won't have that long. Campbell definitley won't. I like Holmgren, though. He was Gibbs' best friend among the current coaches. He's into cars.

Re: Holmgren on Campbell
 

[quote=53Fan;556327]You're so cold Tripp. :)[/quote]There's really nothing else to say. If he's convinced that a limited understanding of offensive totals can be blamed entirely on the QB, there's no reason to waste more than two lines on him.

Re: Holmgren on Campbell
 

[quote=GTripp0012;556330]There's really nothing else to say. If he's convinced that a limited understanding of [B]offensive totals can be blamed entirely on the QB[/B], there's no reason to waste more than two lines on him.[/quote]

Unfortunately that is a view shared by way too many.

Re: Holmgren on Campbell
 

[quote=Mattyk72;556094]If things don't work out this year with Zorn why the hell not? I'm hoping it doesn't come to that obviously.[/quote]
You think he'd come here after we got rid of Zorn? That's not a rhetorical question, but an actual one.

And how much do we think what Holmgren was saying was about Cambpell? Possible he's just trying to help buy Zorn more time, plus knows that the offense takes awhile? I mean even Zorn said he doesn't know if Campbell will end up being the guy, but said he has faith that he can be.

I doubt that Holmgren has studied Campbell anywhere near the level that Zorn has. Doesn't appear he really even spoke on any of Campbell's abilities. I think that just ties in with him not having studied Campbell as well though, not trying to say Campbell can't get it done.

Re: Holmgren on Campbell
 

[quote=SOUL-SKINS;556006][URL="http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/"]http://http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/[/URL][/quote]

Maybe if Holmgren comes back to coach with a different team he can take Campbell off our hands.

Re: Holmgren on Campbell
 

[quote=tryfuhl;556358]You think he'd come here after we got rid of Zorn? That's not a rhetorical question, but an actual one.

And how much do we think what Holmgren was saying was about Cambpell? Possible he's just trying to help buy Zorn more time, plus knows that the offense takes awhile? I mean even Zorn said he doesn't know if Campbell will end up being the guy, but said he has faith that he can be.

[B]I doubt that Holmgren has studied Campbell anywhere near the level that Zorn has. Doesn't appear he really even spoke on any of Campbell's abilities. I think that just ties in with him not having studied Campbell as well though,[/B] not trying to say Campbell can't get it done.[/quote]

I don't think he needs to study him extensively, the facts are pretty commonly known and despite JC detractors efforts to minimize them, are legitimate factors in his "slow" development. Multiple offenses in a short period of time. Lack of multiple playmakers in the receiving corp. Inconsistent offensive line play. Give a guy another year in a system that most QB take 3 years to master, he's had one-patience. Give the guys young receivers another year to mature and grow-patience. Give the guy and a new head coach time to adapt and learn each other-patience. As much as we kill Snyder for his impatience, Redskins fans are a bunch of mini-mes in that regard.

Re: Holmgren on Campbell
 

[quote=Paintrain;556387]I don't think he needs to study him extensively, the facts are pretty commonly known and despite JC detractors efforts to minimize them, are legitimate factors in his "slow" development. Multiple offenses in a short period of time. Lack of multiple playmakers in the receiving corp. Inconsistent offensive line play. Give a guy another year in a system that most QB take 3 years to master, he's had one-patience. Give the guys young receivers another year to mature and grow-patience. Give the guy and a new head coach time to adapt and learn each other-patience. [B]As much as we kill Snyder for his impatience, Redskins fans are a bunch of mini-mes in that regard.[/B][/quote]

:food-smil

Re: Holmgren on Campbell
 

Is holmgren looking for a front office gig.I think we should replace some people there. Not just for the qb offseason deal, we have a revolving door on coaches and offenses but some how there never a shake up in the front office. Holmgren on Campbell i think he might know a little bit on the matter i just hope the front office listens 2 him.

Re: Holmgren on Campbell
 

[quote=GTripp0012;556325]Unfortunately, your knowledge of our offense last year seems to end at this, so color us unconvinced at your argument.[/quote]

well smart guy, convince me our offense was above average. you going to blame Portis for our lack of scoring? i do know the offense..JC wasnt the only problem, true, but he didnt step up very often outside the saints game. Defenses dont fear him in the least.