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Khalif Barnes would be a Vinny type move and a steal for the Raiders. Barnes is horrible, he seems to hold on every play and is also a hot head notorious for stupid penalties. Don't make that trade.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;927440] Barnes is horrible, he seems to hold on every play and is also a hot head notorious for stupid penalties. Don't make that trade.[/quote]Maybe, but he would still be an upgrade from Jammal Brown.

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[quote=SmootSmack;927428]but 7 out of 7 days I'll take Garcon over Winston if we had to choose one or the other. First because as solid as he is Winston is coming off of off-season ankle surgery (I understand it was minor), wanted one of the biggest contracts ever for a RT and his strength is run blocking (we are not a run heavy team). And also because I tend to think a top flight WR is more important than a RT.[/quote]Well since we're rehashing.
I would have happily paid Winston 4 for $22 million he would have turned an area of weakness into an area of strength.
Run or pass Winston has been one of the best: [url=http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2012/03/13/eric-winston-hits-the-market/]Eric Winston Hits the Market. Really? | ProFootballFocus.com[/url]

Imo QB success is linked to the quality of the OL and especially for rookie QB who typically are even more dependent upon pass protection.
People look at Cam's success and forget how good his OL was, Cam had all day back there.
Imo the quality of play at the point of attack is the easiest/surest way to ensure success or failure.


And this isn't a slight against Garcon, I think he's gonna be a good player.
But, I think the development of a franchise QB begins inside out.
In year 1 having solid OL/pass protection is more important then upgrading the WR corps.
Also, I think there was greater depth in the WR market place then there was in the RT.

I like the potential of our young OL/RT and at this stage I would rather go with what we got then chase after Barnes or a Barnes like player.
Forester just knows going in that RT might be an area that needs help schematically but how different would that be from when Jammal Brown was starting?

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[quote=The Goat;927412]That's fantastic one of the best posts in 2012[/quote]

I think it would have been like the Hershal Walker trade was for the Cowboys.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;927439]I would take that bet everday and twice on Sunday. Name your real wager on Garcon, Morgan - what do they have to do to help the team more than Winston would have?



Who? ... and please, please, don't put Gafney into the discussion.[/quote]

But why not? Gaffney is like the T.O. of average receivers. He'll never want too much money because he'll never go above 1000 yards in a season, and he's still pretty young (on a scale of 1-100 early-mid 30's is still young) plus think of all the media coverage we'll get when he goes on a Twitter rant. You're thinking about this from all the wrong angles.

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I dont really get why Allen would say he was talking about a trade with Oakland. Allan and Shanahan seem pretty tight lipped about stuff. Is there any benefit for him to have mentioned a trade before a trade? Just seems wierd.

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[quote=mlmpetert;927450]I dont really get why Allen would say he was talking about a trade with Oakland. Allan and Shanahan seem pretty tight lipped about stuff. Is there any benefit for him to have mentioned a trade before a trade? Just seems wierd.[/quote]

This struck me as odd too.

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I'd hate to see Cooley go anywhere. I don't think he's finished producing. Also, one of my favorite Redskins.


Lets look at what O-linemen the Raiders could offer to help our RT problem:

Stefen Wisniewski - Struggled at LT, but could play RT. They're planning on moving him to Center this season. Could be a RT or across-the-line reserve for us.

Khalif Barnes - bad last year but they didn't trade another tackle. He's their starting RT with no replacement. We could trade Brown to them in the deal but he won't be available for them.

Joseph Barksdale - competition for Barnes, but not starter material. He's slow. RT is already the weakest position on their line, I don't see them moving either RT.

Jared Veldheer - comparable value for a healthy Cooley but why would they trade their starting LT? NO team would do that, right?

Ed Wang - I'd buy his Redskins jersey, especially if he gets #69...but he played himself off TWO teams in his rookie training camps. Definitely not a help to us.

Cooper Carlisle - has history as a zone-blocking guard, but can he play tackle?

Mike Brisiel - definitely talented at guard but they wouldn't part with a key member of their line. He's from the Texans so he'd fit in well for us at guard but they JUST signed him to a big deal so I;d say he's off the table.


So, if I had to put my money on an O-linemen from them, I'd pick[B] Wisniewski[/B]. He has tackle experience, even though he struggled on the left side. Could be worth a shot at RT and if not, he is versatile enough to use somewhere else.

However, I still hate the idea of trading Cooley for him. Cooley's cap number is probably going to be his ticket out though. He was worth the money, when he was on the field.

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[quote=mlmpetert;927450]I dont really get why Allen would say he was talking about a trade with Oakland. Allan and Shanahan seem pretty tight lipped about stuff. Is there any benefit for him to have mentioned a trade before a trade? Just seems wierd.[/quote]

Well, it's because he had slipped and said Raider Nation then kind of threw in that it was because he was talking to the Raiders about a trade this morning that's why he had Raiders top of mind. It wasn't "off air" but it was essentially throw away conversation between questions.

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Any news to report with who we are potentially looking to acquire, offload?

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Okay that makes a lot more sense to me.

Im wondering if it really is Cooley, or for a o-line man. Unless they plan on releasing Cooley, he seems like we wouldnt get much in return for the man in the oline category. Maybe back when Al was running things but isnt the Raiders FO a lot more reasonable now?

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[quote=mlmpetert;927460]Okay that makes a lot more sense to me.

Im wondering if it really is Cooley, or for a o-line man. Unless they plan on releasing Cooley, he seems like we wouldnt get much in return for the man in the oline category. Maybe back when Al was running things but isnt the Raiders FO a lot more reasonable now?[/quote]

If they somehow manage to swing Veldheer for Cooley that would be incredible but I'm not sure how they (Raiders) view Veldheer or if that would even be an option. A million times no to Cooley for Barnes. Get a 3rd or 4th round pick in that case if you're hell bent on trading Cooley.

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Got it. Trade Cooley for Heyer. RT problem solved.

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[quote=Dirtbag59;927466]Got it. Trade Cooley for Heyer. RT problem solved.[/quote]

Heyer is no longer with the Raiders unfortunately...

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[quote=Dirtbag59;927464]If they somehow manage to swing Veldheer for Cooley that would be incredible but I'm not sure how they (Raiders) view Veldheer or if that would even be an option. A million times no to Cooley for Barnes. Get a 3rd or 4th round pick in that case if you're hell bent on trading Cooley.[/quote]


Would be bitter sweet but awsome. But no way the raiders do that.