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Re: A question for all Redskins fans.....

Why does everyone always forget about Keenan Robinson?

Re: A question for all Redskins fans.....

[quote=SmootSmack;991608]Why does everyone always forget about Keenan Robinson?[/quote]

Is that the linebacker the Redskins are banking on to replace Fletcher?

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[quote=SmootSmack;991608]Why does everyone always forget about Keenan Robinson?[/quote]

So this dude is penciled in as the heir to Fletch? I mean, thats cool, he really didnt go out there and impress.

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[quote=NC_Skins;991568]This is exactly why you can't bring Fletcher back at a 7.5 mil price tag.

[url]https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2013/01/29/signature-stats-first-downs-allowed-linebackers/[/url]

Even a restructure isn't going to work because you dont' want to push money into the future on a 38 year old dude.[/quote]

This is a pretty misleading stat imo. It doesnt take into account that most linebackers had help. Our corners needed our safeties and our safeties were busy messing up putting more strain on the LB's. How many times did we see Fletcher or Riley on coverage that most teams would have a safety assigned to?

How many times do other teams stop that stat for players on their team? Such as being in 3 and 7 or longer a lot as opposed to being in 3rd and 1 or 2 all the time. If a 3rd and 7 has a pass completed to a TE that a LB is covering and a safety stops him at 6 yards, it makes this completely strange metric look a whole lot different. Yet says nothing about the play of a LB on the field when comparing two separate LB's. In fact, its an easy metric to score the wrong way. Take my example above. 3rd and 7 and the LB gets beat but gets saved by a safety. 3rd and 1 and the LB has very tight coverage but the pass is complete. He still makes an immediate tackle for a 2 yard gain. That metric has the LB who was lost in left field and got saved by a safety as the better player over a LB in a difficult coverage who got beat for a whole 2 yards but ultimately made his own tackle.

Any metric that takes team stats to rate bad players as good and good players as bad should probably just be ignored.

Now, if you want to have the debate over whether London should be cut, thats fine. But I dont think the proof should be that our secondary was terrible and made our MLB's our main pass defenders. If thats the case, we should look at the secondary first before the LB's.

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[quote=Skinzman;991613]This is a pretty misleading stat imo. It doesnt take into account that most linebackers had help. Our corners needed our safeties and our safeties were busy messing up putting more strain on the LB's. How many times did we see Fletcher or Riley on coverage that most teams would have a safety assigned to?

How many times do other teams stop that stat for players on their team? Such as being in 3 and 7 or longer a lot as opposed to being in 3rd and 1 or 2 all the time. If a 3rd and 7 has a pass completed to a TE that a LB is covering and a safety stops him at 6 yards, it makes this completely strange metric look a whole lot different. Yet says nothing about the play of a LB on the field when comparing two separate LB's. In fact, its an easy metric to score the wrong way. Take my example above. 3rd and 7 and the LB gets beat but gets saved by a safety. 3rd and 1 and the LB has very tight coverage but the pass is complete. He still makes an immediate tackle for a 2 yard gain. That metric has the LB who was lost in left field and got saved by a safety as the better player over a LB in a difficult coverage who got beat for a whole 2 yards but ultimately made his own tackle.

Any metric that takes team stats to rate bad players as good and good players as bad should probably just be ignored.

Now, if you want to have the debate over whether London should be cut, thats fine. But I dont think the proof should be that our secondary was terrible and made our MLB's our main pass defenders. If thats the case, we should look at the secondary first before the LB's.[/quote]

Also a big flaw with the stat is it does not seem to take into account 3 down linebackers vs 2 down linebackers. I still think Fletcher had a great year but I do think he showed signs of his age.

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[quote=SmootSmack;991608]Why does everyone always forget about Keenan Robinson?[/quote]

Why didn't you read post #23? :D

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[quote=Chico23231;991611]So this dude is penciled in as the heir to Fletch? I mean, thats cool, he really didnt go out there and impress.[/quote]

He was starting to flash some before he got hurt.

The coaches are high on him.

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[quote=SmootSmack;991608]Why does everyone always forget about Keenan Robinson?[/quote]

Probably because if a guy didn't play this year, because he was behind 1 PB caliber and 1 very good 3rd year starter, well then that guy clearly isn't worth a 2nd look.

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[quote=SmootSmack;991608]Why does everyone always forget about Keenan Robinson?[/quote]

It's more like I remember... Lemar Marshall.

(stole Hog's elipses for effect)

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;991507]No one could have envisioned a 350 pound NT slamming into RG3's leg, which was the root of his knee injury. Anyone who has seen that high light knows that was a freak accident. But it happened and that play alone has a lot to do with why RG3 had surgery on his knee. [B]I'm willing to bet RG3 will dive on those runs from now on and get down on the turf....[/B][/quote]

Has anyone else noticed that even when RG3 slides the defense goes headhunting? This has happened to him thru college as well. Im sure most of you have noticed but for those who may not have, watch some highlights of RG3 running. Some near misses would have ripped his head off. And the refs usually don't seem to give a crap.

So don't expect RG3 to avoid getting hit just because he slides.

Slow motion replay at 0:35 mark
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FgK12g8to7U]Robert Griffin III injured off massive hit - YouTube[/ame]
Watch as the same thing happens on this similar play around the 0:55 mark
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XlsCQA9H3Sw]Robert Griffin III gets hammered, then scores touchdown! - YouTube[/ame]

Re: A question for all Redskins fans.....

[quote=Mattyk;991496]You really need to try a little harder.

Griffin ran 120 times this year.

Newton ran 127 times this year and 126 times last year.

Vick ran 120 times in 2004 and 123 times in 2006.

Tebow ran it 122 times in 2011.

I'm sure there are others.[/quote]

You're brighter than that...you know I was talking yards. He set a record.

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[quote=The Goat;991665]You're brighter than that...you know I was talking yards. He set a record.[/quote]

He set the rookie record.

You still lose.

Re: A question for all Redskins fans.....

Playoffs.Consistently.
Best QB or one of the best QBs in the NFL.
A Superbowl or 2 thrown in there somewhere.

Re: A question for all Redskins fans.....

[quote=44ever;991659]Has anyone else noticed that even when RG3 slides the defense goes headhunting? This has happened to him thru college as well. Im sure most of you have noticed but for those who may not have, watch some highlights of RG3 running. Some near misses would have ripped his head off. And the refs usually don't seem to give a crap.

So don't expect RG3 to avoid getting hit just because he slides.[/quote]

The defense always tries to take the QB's head off. That's not unique to Griffin.