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Did you know:
Orakpo has ZERO career sacks against Dallas.
Orakpo has 4.5 total career sacks against all NFC east teams combined.

Josh Wilson has as many career sacks against Dallas as Orakpo.
Josh Wilson has as many career sacks against the Giants as Orakpo (1)

We should be able to pay someone a lot less and get that production.

$40-50Mil would be the max I would give him.

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[quote=los panda;1050992]he's not even 3 years older than orakpo.

[B]you think orakpo won't settle for less than $10m/year[/B]?[/quote]

Probably not and he won't have to. Someone will pay him that easy.

Kruger got 5 yrs $40M last year. You really think Rak is going to settle for that?

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[quote=Mattyk;1050994]Probably not and he won't have to. Someone will pay him that easy.

Kruger got 5 yrs $40M last year. You really think Rak is going to settle for that?[/quote]oh God, i forgot about kruger's robbery.

good point, matty.

whatever it is, we need to give it to him. he'll never be a demarcus ware-type talent, but he's the best we have, and we need to keep him.

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[quote=los panda;1050996]oh God, i forgot about kruger's robbery.

good point, matty.

whatever it is, we need to give it to him. he'll never be a demarcus ware-type talent, but he's the best we have, and we need to keep him.[/quote]

Agreed, we'll have plenty of room to get it done too. No reason to let him go.

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I have a strong suspicion Orakpo could post high teen sacks in a season if he's put in the right system and coached up. IMO that means RDE in the 4-3 and an aggressive scheme and play-caller. Hell, I think even the conservative Blache would have gotten 12-14 sacks out of Rak by now.

Geez I'd love to have that defense back. Can we just please just get quality coaches this time around? It's our turn, gdamnit. It's our turn.

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[quote=The Goat;1051003]I have a strong suspicion Orakpo could post high teen sacks in a season if he's put in the right system and coached up. IMO that means RDE in the 4-3 and an aggressive scheme and play-caller. Hell, I think even the conservative Blache would have gotten 12-14 sacks out of Rak by now.

Geez I'd love to have that defense back. Can we just please just get quality coaches this time around? It's our turn, gdamnit. It's our turn.[/quote]

Take a wild guess who Rak's DC was in 2009

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[quote=Mattyk;1051006]Take a wild guess who Rak's DC was in 2009[/quote]



I knew it was Blache Matty, just saying it would have only gotten better in that defense :)

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I can't wait to get rid of Haslett, but Blache was pretty bad in his own way.

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[quote=Mattyk;1051013]I can't wait to get rid of Haslett, but Blache was pretty bad in his own way.[/quote]



Bad as in boring. In was a stonewall run defense and solid pass defense, but didn't create enough turnovers. He did it well in Chicago before that. In 2008 we ran the 6th best defense:


[url=http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/was/2008.htm]2008 Washington Redskins Statistics & Players - Pro-Football-Reference.com[/url]


Dropped to 18th the next year, but the team had given up by then.


[url=http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/was/2009.htm]2009 Washington Redskins Statistics & Players - Pro-Football-Reference.com[/url]


I would have loved a coaching staff of Williams HC, Blache DC and Saunders OC after Gibbs retired.


Like I say though, it's our turn to hit on the right guy(s).

[quote=los panda;1050996]oh God, i forgot about kruger's robbery.

good point, matty.

whatever it is, we need to give it to him. he'll never be a demarcus ware-type talent, but he's the best we have, and we need to keep him.[/quote]The frustrating thing is that we continually botch the opportunity to draft difference making pass rushers. In 2005, we selected Carlos Rogers when Demarcus Ware was there for the taking. In 2009, Orakpo seemed to be a no-brainer, yet Clay Matthews who was selected 13 picks later has been far more impactful. In 2011, both J.J. Watt AND Robert Quinn were on the board when our pick came up. Shanny traded down, and we took Kerrigan at #16. While Kerrigan is a good player, and a great team citizen, he will probably never play to levels that Watt and Quinn have already displayed. If Rak is signed to big money, let him keep his damn hand in the dirt and go after the QB. He is a liability in coverage, yet this staff insists on putting him in space more than occasionally. I think he could be an excellent 4-3 DE, and hopefully the next regime considers that.

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[quote=SouperMeister;1051049]The frustrating thing is that we continually botch the opportunity to draft difference making pass rushers. In 2005, we selected Carlos Rogers when Demarcus Ware was there for the taking. In 2009, Orakpo seemed to be a no-brainer, yet Clay Matthews who was selected 13 picks later has been far more impactful. In 2011, both J.J. Watt AND Robert Quinn were on the board when our pick came up. Shanny traded down, and we took Kerrigan at #16. While Kerrigan is a good player, and a great team citizen, he will probably never play to levels that Watt and Quinn have already displayed. If Rak is signed to big money, let him keep his damn hand in the dirt and go after the QB. He is a liability in coverage, yet this staff insists on putting him in space more than occasionally. I think he could be an excellent 4-3 DE, and hopefully the next regime considers that.[/quote]

Orakpo and Kerrigan could easily be considered an elite rusher in the right system. The natural tools and raw talent are there. It's time they got coached up and became the best pair of pass rushers in the league.

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[quote=SouperMeister;1051049]The frustrating thing is that we continually botch the opportunity to draft difference making pass rushers. In 2005, we selected Carlos Rogers when Demarcus Ware was there for the taking. In 2009, Orakpo seemed to be a no-brainer, yet Clay Matthews who was selected 13 picks later has been far more impactful. In 2011, both J.J. Watt AND Robert Quinn were on the board when our pick came up. Shanny traded down, and we took Kerrigan at #16. While Kerrigan is a good player, and a great team citizen, he will probably never play to levels that Watt and Quinn have already displayed. If Rak is signed to big money, let him keep his damn hand in the dirt and go after the QB. He is a liability in coverage, yet this staff insists on putting him in space more than occasionally. I think he could be an excellent 4-3 DE, and hopefully the next regime considers that.[/quote]I don't know if Matthews has been far more impactful. He's had the best single season of the two, but he's missed more time, and their overall impacts have been about the same.

[QUOTE=GTripp0012;1051065]I don't know if Matthews has been far more impactful. He's had the best single season of the two, but he's missed more time, and their overall impacts have been about the same.[/QUOTE]

Clay is overhyped he's just an avg player

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1051069]Clay is overhyped he's just an avg player[/quote]Better than average, but easily frustrating. Amazingly unblockable when healthy. But plays on a defense that's been bottom quarter in the league three consecutive years.

Re: The re-sign Orakpo thread
 

[quote=SouperMeister;1051049]The frustrating thing is that we continually botch the opportunity to draft difference making pass rushers. In 2005, we selected Carlos Rogers when Demarcus Ware was there for the taking. In 2009, Orakpo seemed to be a no-brainer, yet Clay Matthews who was selected 13 picks later has been far more impactful. In 2011, both J.J. Watt AND Robert Quinn were on the board when our pick came up. Shanny traded down, and we took Kerrigan at #16. While Kerrigan is a good player, and a great team citizen, he will probably never play to levels that Watt and Quinn have already displayed. If Rak is signed to big money, let him keep his damn hand in the dirt and go after the QB. He is a liability in coverage, yet this staff insists on putting him in space more than occasionally. I think he could be an excellent 4-3 DE, and hopefully the next regime considers that.[/quote]

Yeah Quinn is the type of player we're missing. A difference maker. Rak and Kerrigan are not on his level. But didn't Quinn have issues coming out of NC? Tht's why he dropped in the draft if I remember. It would have been risky pick for us but It sure as hell would've paid off.