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How did tmz come into owning the video?

So the big bad nfl couldn't get the footage but tmz did?

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Chico i would say that the casino closing opened up an employee looking to make a pay day.

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I think TMZ has been in possession of the video for a while....maybe waiting for the perfect timing to release it like opening week....:Smoker: and then boom goes the dynamite :Smoker:

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Looks like the Ravens have had experience sweeping domestic abuse under the table:

[url=http://blacksportsonline.com/home/2014/09/when-will-the-ravens-be-releasing-terrell-suggs/]Why The Ravens Won't Cut Terrell Suggs | Robert Littal Presents BlackSportsOnline[/url]

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[quote=CrustyRedskin;1081724]I think TMZ has been in possession of the video for a while....maybe waiting for the perfect timing to release it like opening week....:Smoker: and then boom goes the dynamite :Smoker:[/quote]

The fact that the public has essentially relied on evidence provided by TMZ to have the league to do the right thing is a problem in and of itself.

In a way it reminds me of the Allies enlisting the help of the Soviets during WW2.

[quote=Chico23231;1081712]How did tmz come into owning the video?

So the big bad nfl couldn't get the footage but tmz did?[/quote]

For better or worse it seems TMZ has people who are very good at gathering dirt.

Though I imagine in cases like this its a situation where someone with access to evidence (law enforcement or a casino employee) being sickened by a situation like this and being all too willing to help leak the tape. In short a whistle blower.

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[quote=Dirtbag59;1081731]The fact that the public has essentially relied on evidence provided by TMZ to have the league to do the right thing is a problem in and of itself.

In a way it reminds me of the Allies enlisting the help of the Soviets during WW2.



For better or worse it seems TMZ has people who are very good at gathering dirt.

Though I imagine in cases like this its a case of someone with access to evidence (law enforcement or a casino employee) being sickened by a situation like this and being all too willing to help leak the tape.[/quote]


lol truer words have never been typed!

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[quote=Ruhskins;1081729]Looks like the Ravens have had experience sweeping domestic abuse under the table:

[url=http://blacksportsonline.com/home/2014/09/when-will-the-ravens-be-releasing-terrell-suggs/]Why The Ravens Won't Cut Terrell Suggs | Robert Littal Presents BlackSportsOnline[/url][/quote]

And there you go!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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[quote=Ruhskins;1081729]Looks like the Ravens have had experience sweeping domestic abuse under the table:

[url=http://blacksportsonline.com/home/2014/09/when-will-the-ravens-be-releasing-terrell-suggs/]Why The Ravens Won't Cut Terrell Suggs | Robert Littal Presents BlackSportsOnline[/url][/quote]

In what world do u treat a woman like that? Oh the nfl that's right

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Listening to ESPN Radio apparently TMZ has more info to put out tomorrow as a followup. If true this thing may go even bigger. Of course it is TMZ so we have to wait and see if its real or not

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[quote=Chico23231;1081736]In what world do u treat a woman like that? Oh the nfl that's right[/quote]

But there's no video so i guess its all good. I couldn't open the link but im guessing it's something like the one below.

[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/12/15/terrell-suggs-marries-woman-who-accused-him-of-domestic-violence/]Terrell Suggs marries woman who accused him of domestic violence | ProFootballTalk[/url]

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I havent heard a single person mention this on tv or anywhere else,he actually slugs her in the face twice.The first time he just knocks her sideways a little bit and after that first punch is when she gets pissed and rushes at him then he gets in the knockout blow.

I saw a tweet that Harvey Levin from TMZ says he has evidence the NFL had saw the video.Hard to believe the police would withhold the video from them or they couldnt obtain it but TMZ can,total bullshit.I've never had a problem with any commissioners before but I cant stand Goodell,I hope he gets caught in a lie and gets bent over

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The NFL NEVER contacted the casino to request video of Ray Rice brutalizing his fiancee ... TMZ Sports has learned. Commissioner Rodger Goodell made his disciplinary decision in the dark, which raises the question ... Is that the way he wanted it?

Sources connected with the Revel Hotel and Casino in Atlantic City tell TMZ Sports ... NO ONE from the NFL ever asked for the video inside the elevator ... video that was compelling enough to get Rice instantly fired.

Sources who worked at the casino at the time of the incident tell us ... if the NFL had asked for the video, they would have gladly complied.

Without video ... Goodell blindly justified the initial 2-game suspension, based on the only evidence they had -- from the two people in the elevator, who called it mutual combat.

Multiple sources tell TMZ Sports ... the casino made a copy of the elevator surveillance video for police. We're also told Rice's lawyer had a copy of the video, which he got in the criminal case.

An NFL source tells us they requested "any and all information" from law enforcement in the criminal case but got nothing because it was a pending case. But the NFL had other options ... namely going to the casino or Rice's lawyer -- but the NFL never bothered to ask.

BTW ... it may sound crazy for Rice's lawyer to voluntarily hand over the video, but the NFL had a lot of leverage ... in the form of severe penalties if Rice didn't ante up the tape.

So the question ... does the NFL have incompetent investigators, or was it just easier to protect a player and turn a blind eye to video that would have forced Goodell's hand? Both scenarios are pretty disgusting.


Thats on TMZ sports front page.

So did the NFL see the first video of the dragging off the elevator? Sounds like Goodell stance is we didnt want to see the other video because it would force his hand to take a stance. Pretty damn poor by the NFL.

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[quote=Chico23231;1081787]The NFL NEVER contacted the casino to request video of Ray Rice brutalizing his fiancee ... TMZ Sports has learned. Commissioner Rodger Goodell made his disciplinary decision in the dark, which raises the question ... Is that the way he wanted it?

Sources connected with the Revel Hotel and Casino in Atlantic City tell TMZ Sports ... NO ONE from the NFL ever asked for the video inside the elevator ... video that was compelling enough to get Rice instantly fired.

Sources who worked at the casino at the time of the incident tell us ... if the NFL had asked for the video, they would have gladly complied.

Without video ... Goodell blindly justified the initial 2-game suspension, based on the only evidence they had -- from the two people in the elevator, who called it mutual combat.

Multiple sources tell TMZ Sports ... the casino made a copy of the elevator surveillance video for police. We're also told Rice's lawyer had a copy of the video, which he got in the criminal case.

An NFL source tells us they requested "any and all information" from law enforcement in the criminal case but got nothing because it was a pending case. But the NFL had other options ... namely going to the casino or Rice's lawyer -- but the NFL never bothered to ask.

BTW ... it may sound crazy for Rice's lawyer to voluntarily hand over the video, but the NFL had a lot of leverage ... in the form of severe penalties if Rice didn't ante up the tape.

So the question ... does the NFL have incompetent investigators, or was it just easier to protect a player and turn a blind eye to video that would have forced Goodell's hand? Both scenarios are pretty disgusting.


Thats on TMZ sports front page.

So did the NFL see the first video of the dragging off the elevator? Sounds like Goodell stance is we didnt want to see the other video because it would force his hand to take a stance. Pretty damn poor by the NFL.[/quote]

Can the NFL just go ask for that video? The NFL is not the court system.

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[quote=mredskins;1081788]Can the NFL just go ask for that video? The NFL is not the court system.[/quote]

They can ask for the video. They cant subpoena anyone if the answer is no, but they can definitely ask for a copy of it or to see it.

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[quote=mredskins;1081788]Can the NFL just go ask for that video? The NFL is not the court system.[/quote]

The NFL certainly can ask for it. NFL Security has a strong, long standing partnership with the FBI, for the NFL to simply say they didnt see it and werent aware is truely laughable.