Re: Is Brian Orakpo career as a Redskin possibly over
 

I would say he is done. Guy can't stay healthy unfortunately. Farewell 1/2 Sackpo.

Re: Is Brian Orakpo career as a Redskin possibly over
 

[quote=Mattyk;1090440]Until Murphy proves himself I think it's a legit concern.[/quote]

Yup. Haven't seen the impact out of Murphy yet that I hoped for. Now would be a great time for him to shine, it would show that we have one less problem to worry about for next year.

Re: Is Brian Orakpo career as a Redskin possibly over
 

I'm still amazed at how many fanboys think that Rak is our best defensive player... :doh:

Re: Is Brian Orakpo career as a Redskin possibly over
 

[quote=Mattyk;1090429]I'd at least make a modest offer to Rak, but if someone wants to pay him more so be it.[/quote]

What is your idea of a "modest" contract? Just curious at the numbers involved.




Me, I said last year 9.5mil/yr was about all I would be willing to offer, but I overshot that by a lot. I wouldn't offer him anything over 5.5-6mil/yr to be honest.

Re: Is Brian Orakpo career as a Redskin possibly over
 

90% chance Orakpo is gone next year.

70% chance he signs in the NFC East.

50% chance he burns us at some point in the future.

Re: Is Brian Orakpo career as a Redskin possibly over
 

[quote=NC_Skins;1090446]What is your idea of a "modest" contract? Just curious at the numbers involved.




Me, I said last year 9.5mil/yr was about all I would be willing to offer, but I overshot that by a lot. I wouldn't offer him anything over 5.5-6mil/yr to be honest.[/quote]

What's the going rate for 3-4 OLB's that do nothing spectacularly but several things well? Who, due to injury, have missed the majority of two of the last four years?

I guess 5M/year. I dunno. I was thinking 4 yrs @ 4m/yr, 8M SB or something along those lines. I have no clue if that is realistic or a vast overpayment.

Re: Is Brian Orakpo career as a Redskin possibly over
 

[quote=NC_Skins;1090446]What is your idea of a "modest" contract? Just curious at the numbers involved.




Me, I said last year 9.5mil/yr was about all I would be willing to offer, but I overshot that by a lot. I wouldn't offer him anything over 5.5-6mil/yr to be honest.[/quote]

Maybe 6 or 7 per... although if Murphy shows he's capable just let him walk

Re: Is Brian Orakpo career as a Redskin possibly over
 

[quote=Mattyk;1090452]Maybe 6 or 7 per... although [B]if Murphy shows he's capable just let him walk[/B][/quote]

... and to be capable, he needs to show (1) an ability to cover in space; and (2) that he can keep folks from consistently doubling Kerrigan and/or Hatcher.

By the end of the year, if Murphy can win some 1 on 1's as a rusher and handle the coverage duties of an OLB in a 3-4 system w/o being a liability, Rak is pretty much superfluous.

Re: Is Brian Orakpo career as a Redskin possibly over
 

As usual, excellent analysis by Keim:

[url=http://espn.go.com/blog/washington-redskins/post/_/id/12120/assessing-brian-orakpos-redskins-career]Assessing Brian Orakpo's Washington Redskins career - ESPN[/url]

[quote]Rushing the passer is about more than sacks, and Orakpo influences the pass rush. But when you're being paid $11.45 million for one season and when you want to be paid even more, then you have to do more than set up others. You have to make game-changing plays. . . .

This is a playmakers' league, and Orakpo didn't make enough plays. He played the run well and didn't have any coverage mishaps, though he dropped an easy interception versus Arizona. . . .

In his first five seasons, Orakpo intercepted one pass and forced six fumbles (while recording 39.5 sacks). Some linebackers being paid the kind of money Orakpo seeks have forced the same number of turnovers in one season. . . .

He was a good player. The Redskins needed him to be great.[/quote]

Re: Is Brian Orakpo career as a Redskin possibly over
 

[quote=Mattyk;1090452]Maybe 6 or 7 per... although if Murphy shows he's capable just let him walk[/quote]

I'm with you on Murphy. He's not shown it yet, and I have my doubts he ever will. I think he lacks the athletic ability to get the job done on the right side. He's better coming up the middle than on the sides.

Re: Is Brian Orakpo career as a Redskin possibly over
 

Can't overpay for production, good teams would walk away. He is making superstar money on the 1 year tender. We'd have been a lot better off it that money was spent on 2 or 3 decent players. Maybe he will end up in DeAngelo Hall territory, where no one is interested in him except us.

Re: Is Brian Orakpo career as a Redskin possibly over
 

[quote=SFREDSKIN;1090252]This is who we should sign if the Lions don't franchise him:

Ndamukong Suh[/quote]

no no no no no

Re: Is Brian Orakpo career as a Redskin possibly over
 

[quote=JoeRedskin;1090455]As usual, excellent analysis by Keim:

[url=http://espn.go.com/blog/washington-redskins/post/_/id/12120/assessing-brian-orakpos-redskins-career]Assessing Brian Orakpo's Washington Redskins career - ESPN[/url][/quote]

pretty much my point. 6 forced fumbles in his career? this is his 6th season, 1 per year. that is so far from elite its ridiculous. he has forced 7 turnovers in his nfl career. rob jackson has 8 career forced turnovers...that puts that in perspective.

Re: Is Brian Orakpo career as a Redskin possibly over
 

[quote=CrazyCanuck;1090448]90% chance Orakpo is gone next year.

70% chance he signs in the NFC East.

50% chance he burns us at some point in the future.[/quote]

Lol yup. Watch him go straight to Philly or NY, and then when Polumbus gets his job back by some miracle Rak will go ham on him, and make everyone go, "why the hell did we let him go?"

I think Rak could still be an effective player, but his best shot will be with a 4-3 team. He just ain't cutting it here.

Re: Is Brian Orakpo career as a Redskin possibly over
 

[quote=mooby;1090474]Lol yup. Watch him go straight to Philly or NY, and then when Polumbus gets his job back by some miracle Rak will go ham on him, and make everyone go, "why the hell did we let him go?"

I think Rak could still be an effective player, but his best shot will be with a 4-3 team. He just ain't cutting it here.[/quote]

Rak plays on the right side. He'd be facing Trent Williams. Name me a single time in his career he has beat a top LT for a sack. I'll be waiting.