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[quote=MTK;1138793]Compared to Trump and Cruz, Rubio is legit, but again that's not saying much. It's like saying Grossman was an upgrade over Beck. Well yeah, but he still sucks.[/quote]

If this is the case, then Obama is clearly RG3.

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^ Without the knee injury maybe.

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[URL="http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2016/01/rubio-less-crazy-than-trump-still-not-moderate.html?mid=twitter_nymag"]Being Less Crazy Than Donald Trump Does Not Make Marco Rubio ‘Moderate’[/URL]

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[quote=MTK;1138781][B]She's still a better option than anyone on the right[/B]. Granted the bar is set extremely low.[/quote]

It is indeed a strong and compelling argument you bring............

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Hillary is in trouble...big time. I didn't watch, but heard last night it was rough again.

It's funny to hear democrats now saying there is a change within the party...

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[quote=Chico23231;1138800]Hillary is in trouble...big time. I didn't watch, but heard last night it was rough again.

It's funny to hear democrats now saying there is a change within the party...[/quote]

[url]https://www.yahoo.com/politics/women-who-support-bernie-sanders-respond-to-234239662.html[/url]

I didn't see the democratic debate, but I saw the Town Hall, and Hillary made a huge push about being the first woman president. Sorry, that's not going to win the campaign, in fact in this article, an attorney (female), had the response I think most women will have (change Sanders to whoever their candidate of choice is):

[quote]“Well, I don’t want to think that I have to vote for a woman, being a woman, because there’s a woman running. They have to be who I would look at as … my best choice,” Giles said. “I’m not trashing Hillary. I’m just saying Bernie is the better of the choices. And I will get a chance to vote for a female president. I would like to see a female president, and there’s plenty out there that I would be very happy to do.”[/quote]

It will be a great time in US politics when race and gender baiting is finally wiped out, and those who use it are gone from the political scene.

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Bernie's tax plan is out...and yes everyone tax's are rising.

I do think the upper tier's should be bracketed more.

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[quote=Chico23231;1138974]Bernie's tax plan is out...and yes [B]everyone tax's are rising[/B].

I do think the upper tier's should be bracketed more.[/quote]

Is it not the Socialist way.........Comrade?

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[quote=Hog1;1138986]Is it not the Socialist way.........Comrade?[/quote]

again, 1950s, tiered taxes extended to something like 95%, 1970s, highest rates were still 70%. because american were all obviously commies during the red scare.

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Dwight Eisenhower that commie pinko

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Higher taxes.....better
Give me what I need...
Fed knows better...sure man...lol

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[quote=That Guy;1138990]again, 1950s, tiered taxes extended to something like 95%, 1970s, highest rates were still 70%. because american were all obviously commies during the red scare.[/quote]

1970s economy, good times right?

The Reagan and Clinton economic policies transitioned our economy and globalization changed everything. Vastly different.



The trump and Bernie support is really good for our political process. Fringe candidates really showing the anger with both parties and the political process in general. We do need change.

I really admire Bernie not taking special interest money and trump self financing. Keeping special interest out of the process should be a reform us as Americans should embrace

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you guys make me laugh with all of this " bernie is raising taxes" talk. can you name 1 POTUS that hasnt raised taxes?

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[quote=Chico23231;1138999]1970s economy, good times right?

The Reagan and Clinton economic policies transitioned our economy and globalization changed everything. Vastly different.



The trump and Bernie support is really good for our political process. Fringe candidates really showing the anger with both parties and the political process in general. We do need change.

I really admire Bernie not taking special interest money and trump self financing. Keeping special interest out of the process should be a reform us as Americans should embrace[/quote]

i'm just saying that raising taxes isn't a 100% socialist endeavor. reagan raised taxes 11 times (though in total the cuts exceeded the raises). reagan also absolutely ballooned the debt and was never able to get it back under control, which is what all those raises were basically trying to do. bush sr also raised taxes. i just don't get this world view where any kind of tax increase is some kind communist experiment.

why not look at the proposal and judge it on it's merits instead... you know, be rational and all that. i guess because that's too much effort (i'm not talking about you chico).

not shilling for bernie, i haven't read his plan yet, but let's retire the tired hyperbolic one liners, please.

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When it comes down to tax talk, why cant tackle major reforms across the board? Individual payer and corporate?

We need major reforms which streamlines the processes, does away with antiquated brackets, etc.

As someone who has to look at people's taxes at their job usually once or twice a week, its really a joke. The "lying ratio" is quite high...and it doesn't discriminate..young, old, and up and down the income line. Shocker: the system allows the biggest cheats to be the folks actually taking home the most money.