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[quote=SFREDSKIN;376805]The only Dumb ass I see is you wanting a coaching change. Just ask Parcells how he feels not being there coaching the team he built and Wade Phillips getting the credit. You wake up!![/quote]

How do you know they would be 8-1 with Parcells as the coach? Maybe Wade Phillips and his staff are just better, did you ever think of that? Ok I will sit here and just take this bullshit over and over again until you guys realize this isnt the same Joe Gibbs who took us to four superbowls, unfortunately you all still think he is. Difference is, Old Gibbs teams wouldnt have been in that situation, a poor eagles team would have been put away by halftime.

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[quote=Grim21Reaper;376811]O.k. Who has turned an 8-1 team into a 5-4 team? Wasn't Parcells.

Time to wake up and smell the coffee people. Do we want to win the marketing game, or football games?[/quote]8-1? What the heck?

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[quote=GTripp0012;376815]No, just wondering what in the heck you are complaining about regarding the jumbo formation.[/quote]

Do you know anything about football?

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[quote=GTripp0012;376820]8-1? What the heck?[/quote]


O.k. time to sit on the Reaper's knee...

Giants game.... better coaching, win.
Packers game....better coaching, win.
Today's game....better coaching, win.

Smarten' up.

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[quote=Grim21Reaper;376817]Bottom line, fourth quarter 4 minutes and change left. They run 50 gut, it's over. I firmly believe that. No, we have to run right. Lose 2 yards and are forced into a pass. Dance with who brung you. You would think a Hall of Famer would realize that.[/quote]Maybe, maybe not.

I think it's pretty nitpicky to argue outside run vs. inside run. Hindsight is 20-20.

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[quote=GiantsSuck703;376822]Do you know anything about football?[/quote]

Actually, no, he doesn't.

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[QUOTE=Grim21Reaper;376811]O.k. Who has turned an 8-1 team into a 5-4 team? Wasn't Parcells.

Time to wake up and smell the coffee people. Do we want to win the marketing game, or football games?[/QUOTE]

Which 8-1 team are you talking about?

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[quote=GiantsSuck703;376822]Do you know anything about football?[/quote]Do you?

You seem to know a lot about talking in riddles, but I'm not sure how far that takes you on a football fourm.

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[quote=SouperMeister;376809]So you don't think that a draw play on 3rd and goal from the 7 is conservative??? The only way you could have played that any safer would be to have Campbell take a knee before the field goal.[/quote]
Brandon Jacobs scored on a 3rd down draw play inside the 10 today.

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[QUOTE=GiantsSuck703;376819]How do you know they would be 8-1 with Parcells as the coach? [/QUOTE]

The only thing better, is that Jerry Jones not Wade Phillips hired Jason Garrett as the Offensive Coordinator. Parcells is a winner just like Gibbs whether you believe it or not. Show me Phillips coaching record compared to Parcells, oh that's right I'm living in the past.

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While we're discussing play calling, I would have LOVED to have seen at least a few screen passes with all that pressure they were trying to bring.

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[quote=GTripp0012;376824]Maybe, maybe not.

I think it's pretty nitpicky to argue outside run vs. inside run. Hindsight is 20-20.[/quote]

Well guess what, Mr. Hindsight. Throwing away three games that you dominated your opponent leaves you in no man's land.

Detroit is probably a playoff team this year. We are head and shoulders above them. Anyone with a pulse could tell you that.

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[quote=GTripp0012;376827]Do you?

You seem to know a lot about talking in riddles, but I'm not sure how far that takes you on a football fourm.[/quote]

Lets see, a Jumbo package is a play you run from the goal line to punch it into the endzone, because your inches away. Jumbo is not a formation you run from the 8 yard line because your bunching the entire offense into one area and even if you get a little bit of a push Portis will more than likely fall over one of his own men, by god, thats what exactly happened. But then again I only talk in riddle because I have no clue what im talking about.

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[quote=Grim21Reaper;376831]Well guess what, Mr. Hindsight. Throwing away three games that you dominated your opponent leaves you in no man's land.

Detroit is probably a playoff team this year. We are head and shoulders above them. Anyone with a pulse could tell you that.[/quote]I agree with that Detroit statement.

What makes you think we won't be ahead of them at the end of the year?

What does Marinelli do that Gibbs doesn't?

It's not like you know anything about the Lions...so I don't expect you to answer, but it'd be kind of cool if you would defend your argument intelligently for once instead of BSing your way around these parts for a few hours.

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[QUOTE=GMScud;376830]While we're discussing play calling, I would have LOVED to have seen at least a few screen passes with all that pressure they were trying to bring.[/QUOTE]

We did have some screen passes in there.

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[quote=GiantsSuck703;376833]Lets see, a Jumbo package is a play you run from the goal line to punch it into the endzone, because your inches away. Jumbo is not a formation you run from the 8 yard line because your bunching the entire offense into one area and even if you get a little bit of a push Portis will more than likely fall over one of his own men, by god, thats what exactly happened. But then again I only talk in riddle because I have no clue what im talking about.[/quote]Well, what IS a formation that a team should run from the seven yard line, and why is that necessarily better than the Jumbo?

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;376829]The only thing better, is that Jerry Jones not Wade Phillips hired Jason Garrett as the Offensive Coordinator. Parcells is a winner just like Gibbs whether you believe it or not. Show me Phillips coaching record compared to Parcells, oh that's right I'm living in the past.[/quote]

Parcells was a winner, just like Joe Gibbs was a winner, but Parcells accomplished nothing in his return to the sideline with the cowboys and the only thing Joe Gibbs has done is make people shake there heads.

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[quote=skinsguy;376816]Nope, it was a great play. The Eagles defense was sending the kitchen sink after Campbell on that play, and the only way we had a chance to score was to hand it to Portis on a draw. If Campbell had dopped back to pass, he would've gotten blown up.[/quote]You clearly weren't watching the game if you think the Eagles threw the kitchen sink at Campbell on 3rd and 7. I just replayed that play to be sure that I saw it correctly the first time. They in fact rushed ONLY the front four, with two LB's dropping back after faking blitz. It should not have come to that play if Cooley stays onside the play before, but still a ridiculously conservative call on third and long.

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[quote=skinsguy;376835]We did have some screen passes in there.[/quote]
One of them lost 3 yds on the drive after Westbrook scored.

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Ahh, nothing like a good rant thread to make us all feel better! ;)

Losing sucks. And losing to an NFC East team, at home, when we we're winning in the 4th sucks worse. And seeing McNabb hug the Walrus on the sideline was the worst of all. Nasty.

The skins are a team that causes great pain to its fans. The difference in feeling between winning and losing this game is gigantic, given everything else going on.

Here's what I think: no one is going to get fired during the year. No one. We're going to play out the season, and Gibbs himself, as well as his high-paid assistants, will have to seriously look in the mirror and do what's best for the team. I think we're not all that far from being good--close loses in games we've been winning, but for one. Injuries have hurt--that's not an excuse, but a fact. So in appraising things, it should be taken into consideration.

To me, the offense looked good this week, but for the goal line fiasco, and that's encouraging. The D is another story, but I do think the loss of Taylor and Rogers, as wel as Marcus, hurts.

Here's what I'd do if it were my team: keep the staff, if they want to stay, and strengthen the D in draft and FA. Try to get some o-line depth and another--hopefully bigger--WR. And proceed under the assumption that JC will continue to grow, and will be the future for this team. Given that, and an improved D, I think it will come. We can move the ball, and the coaches are getting more confidence in JC--in the no-huddle, JC called the plays. We MUST fix the red zone offense, but that can be done, IMO. I think the D is a few bodies short, especially on the line. We can't dominate the line of scrimmage late, and it shows.

I don't think the fire/tear-down approach will be more fruitful, though it sometimes works. But it sometimes does not, and (apologies to Daseal) our Spurrier experiment is an example of how it can go bad.

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[QUOTE=GiantsSuck703;376838]Parcells was a winner, just like Joe Gibbs was a winner, but Parcells accomplished nothing in his return to the sideline with the cowboys and the only thing Joe Gibbs has done is make people shake there heads.[/QUOTE]

Talk to you at the end of the year, by then you'll be praising Gibbs.

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[quote=GTripp0012;376837]Well, what IS a formation that a team should run from the seven yard line, and why is that necessarily better than the Jumbo?[/quote]

If you plan on running it 6 times in a row from the 7 yard line, then you run a spread formation, which would not allow the eagles to stack the box and key in on Portis, they would have to play honest and it would give him more room to run the ball.

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[quote=Grim21Reaper;376831]Well guess what, Mr. Hindsight. Throwing away three games that you dominated your opponent leaves you in no man's land.

Detroit is probably a playoff team this year. We are head and shoulders above them. Anyone with a pulse could tell you that.[/quote]

Detroit being a playoff team is still to be seen.

For what reason are we "head and shoulders above them" last I checked that was determined by wins and losses. They have more wins than we do at this point.

Explain.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;376842]Talk to you at the end of the year, by then you'll be praising Gibbs.[/quote]

And I would absolutely love to believe that. I would love for Gibbs to turn this around and make us a team to reckon with, but I just dont see it happening.

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[quote=skinsfan_nn;376844]Detroit being a playoff team is still to be seen.

For what reason are we "head and shoulders above them" last I checked that was determined by wins and losses. They have more wins than we do at this point.

Explain.[/quote]

Did you watch the game? Just checking. My four year old could answer your question.

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[QUOTE=SouperMeister;376839]You clearly weren't watching the game if you think the Eagles threw the kitchen sink at Campbell on 3rd and 7. I just replayed that play to be sure that I saw it correctly the first time. They in fact rushed ONLY the front four, with two LB's dropping back after faking blitz. It should not have come to that play if Cooley stays onside the play before, but still a ridiculously conservative call on third and long.[/QUOTE]

Those front four were getting through our protection. I did see the play thank you. The linebackers dropped back so there was nowhere to throw the ball to. A draw play at least gave us a chance to score and at least gave us a chip shot field goal. I will take any gain on that play rather than a sack and a loss or worse, Campbell getting hit and fumbling. It was exactly what we should've called on that play.

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[quote=GiantsSuck703;376843]If you plan on running it 6 times in a row from the 7 yard line, then you run a spread formation, which would not allow the eagles to stack the box and key in on Portis, they would have to play honest and it would give him more room to run the ball.[/quote]Yeah, he would have more [I]room[/I], but he also has more unblocked guys. That's not a good idea with Portis who tends to dance.

There are pros and cons to running out of any formation and a lot of it has to do with how the D is going to play it. I don't understand why it's so black and white to you.

It's not like you can't run out of the Jumbo...that's what it is designed for.

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[quote=Grim21Reaper;376847]Did you watch the game? Just checking. My four year old could answer your question.[/quote]But you can't?

LOL. I'm sorry. Seeing you get your panties in a bunch is so much fun.

We're all hurt by the loss. You aren't hurt more by the loss than anyone here. If you aren't going to debate reasonably, at least don't come on here with an attitude. You end up making a fool out of yourself.

While that makes me happy, it creates a lot of BS that the good posters here have to sift through. That's not fair to them.

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With the way Brian Westbrook violated our D, and when Portis was gauging the Eagles run defense, I just wonder why Gibbs didn't go for it when it was fourth and inches two different times.

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[quote=GTripp0012;376851]Yeah, he would have more [I]room[/I], but he also has more unblocked guys. That's not a good idea with Portis who tends to dance.

There are pros and cons to running out of any formation and a lot of it has to do with how the D is going to play it. I don't understand why it's so black and white to you.

It's not like you can't run out of the Jumbo...that's what it is designed for.[/quote]


You really have no idea what your talking about

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[quote=GTripp0012;376853]But you can't?[/quote]

I think hes referring to the fact that we beat them by 31 points

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[quote=GiantsSuck703;376856]You really have no idea what your talking about[/quote]Fine, you can go on believing whatever crazy theories you want to believe. Don't challenge and not expect a response though. Then you are just waisting the time of those who really want answers.

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[QUOTE=SFREDSKIN;376842]Talk to you at the end of the year, by then you'll be praising Gibbs.[/QUOTE]

Sure. Expect to see the exact same thread next week after an a$$whipping at Dallas.

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[quote=Beemnseven;376854]With the way Brian Westbrook violated our D, and when Portis was gauging the Eagles run defense, I just wonder why Gibbs didn't go for it when it was fourth and inches two different times.[/quote]

Our overall lack of balls is "ridicules." Gibbs always talks about those "momentum changing" plays. Funny how we're never the ones making them. We gotta man up once and while. The only ounce of stones I've seen all year was the on-sides kick last week.

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[quote=GiantsSuck703;376857]I think hes referring to the fact that we beat them by 31 points[/quote]I know, I agreed with him on the Detroit point.

In case you haven't figured it out yet, me and Grim don't agree on very much. In fact, you could say we find each other pretty repulsive. But we are a better football team than Detroit, and we did prove that pretty convincingly on the field.

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[QUOTE=Beemnseven;376854]With the way Brian Westbrook violated our D, and when Portis was gauging the Eagles run defense, I just wonder why Gibbs didn't go for it when it was fourth and inches two different times.[/QUOTE]

The first time, yes, I would've went for it. The second time, no way you go for it. We were only up by 2 points. At least kicking the field goal forced the Eagles to get into the end zone rather than going up by one with a field goal.

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[quote=skinsguy;376848]Those front four were getting through our protection. I did see the play thank you. The linebackers dropped back so there was nowhere to throw the ball to. A draw play at least gave us a chance to score and at least gave us a chip shot field goal. I will take any gain on that play rather than a sack and a loss or worse, Campbell getting hit and fumbling. It was exactly what we should've called on that play.[/quote]On a draw, the tackles should allow the ends to charge upfield, which they did just fine, but with the LBs staying home, that play had ZERO chance of working. I recall a third and goal play just before the half in the first Philly game this year where the coaches trusted Campbell to make a play - that worked out pretty well. FOX even flashed Campbell's red zone stats: 6 TDs, 0 INTs. I trust that if nothing is there he'll throw it out of the end zone - no harm. I just like my chances more with Campbell passing on 3rd and goal from the 7 A LOT MORE than running in that situation. We'll just have to agree to disagree on that count.

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[QUOTE=SouperMeister;376865]On a draw, the tackles should allow the ends to charge upfield, which they did just fine, but with the LBs staying home, that play had ZERO chance of working. I recall a third and goal play just before the half in the first Philly game this year where the coaches trusted Campbell to make a play - that worked out pretty well. FOX even flashed Campbell's red zone stats: 6 TDs, 0 INTs. I trust that if nothing is there he'll throw it out of the end zone - no harm. I just like my chances more with Campbell passing on 3rd and goal from the 7 A LOT MORE than running in that situation. We'll just have to agree to disagree on that count.[/QUOTE]

Fair enough. We'll agree to disagree.

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[quote=GTripp0012;376862]I know, I agreed with him on the Detroit point.

In case you haven't figured it out yet, me and Grim don't agree on very much. In fact, you could say we find each other pretty repulsive. But we are a better football team than Detroit, and we did prove that pretty convincingly on the field.[/quote]

Thats cool, I really have no problems with anyone on here, Im just not that nice of a guy after a loss

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[quote=GiantsSuck703;376868]Thats cool, I really have no problems with anyone on here, Im just not that nice of a guy after a loss[/quote]Few people are.

I'm cool with you, GiantsSuck. When I disagree with you on a point, I'll let you know about it. You've earned your keep around here in a civil manner in the past, so I can deal with some frustration after a loss. That's normal, I guess.