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If Snyder/Cerrato feel that Zorn is in over his head and won't be able to turn this around then yes, his job could be in jeopardy. Not saying this is what I would want personally, I just wouldn't rule it out.

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[quote=skinsfan69;511769]Zorn has made plenty of mistakes but you just can't fire the guy after one year. Look how poor Gibbs was in 04?[/quote]

I would stand by a decision to keep Zorn, but I'm skeptical of his abilities. The offense looks as bad, if not worse, than Spurrier's offenses and Spurrier was working with less talent. Jason Campbell has regressed. The team is making boatloads of dumb mistakes. The locker room is apparently starting to come apart. Players are openly questioning Zorn in the media. A win or two would go a long way to helping cure some of our problems, but right now it doesn't look like we can beat anyone.

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[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;511759]If Zorn's job isn't in jeopardy, it should be. Zorn was brought in to turn Campbell into a star and make our offense productive again. It looks like he is failing in both departments. This team looks very, very sloppy and mistake-prone, the hallmark of poor coaching.[/quote]
Weren't the same things being said during Gibbs' tenure after a frustrating loss with a bunch of mistakes/penalties? How can the HC be responsible for fumbles, mis-communication on defense, A [B]dumb-ass[/B] show-boating penalty....WHEN WE'VE BEEN GETTING OUR ASSES HANDED TO US!!! Constant Special Teams penalties. Does the team need more discipline, absolutely, but it's not entirely Zorn's fault.

Let's not forget that much of the coaching staff was in place for "stability" when Zorn was given the HC job. The position coaches need to shoulder a lot of the blame and I think many will be gone. Firing Zorn now when he hasn't been given a chance to truly put his stamp on the team, even if we finish 7-9 is a terrible mistake. Any promising coordinators will not want to come here because if they hit a rough stretch they know they'll be canned. It also sends a bad message to the players, that this will be a franchise in constant turmoil.

What needs to happen is the FO needs to stay with Zorn through next year. Let him bring in assistants he wants to coach the OL, WRs, Specials and if Blache wants to reture, bring in a new DC or promote Olivadotti. Zorn needs to delegate the QB coaching to Meidt and concentrate on being a HC/OC, not a QB coach. Snyder needs to "close his door" to players and not give them an opportunity to undermine the coach and GM (Cerrato)

Here's where we find out if Snyder really learned anything from Gibbs in terms of leading the franchise.

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;511777]Weren't the same things being said during Gibbs' tenure after a frustrating loss with a bunch of mistakes/penalties? How can the HC be responsible for fumbles, mis-communication on defense, A [B]dumb-ass[/B] show-boating penalty....WHEN WE'VE BEEN GETTING OUR ASSES HANDED TO US!!! Constant Special Teams penalties. Does the team need more discipline, absolutely, but it's not entirely Zorn's fault.

Let's not forget that much of the coaching staff was in place for "stability" when Zorn was given the HC job. The position coaches need to shoulder a lot of the blame and I think many will be gone. Firing Zorn now when he hasn't been given a chance to truly put his stamp on the team, even if we finish 7-9 is a terrible mistake. Any promising coordinators will not want to come here because if they hit a rough stretch they know they'll be canned. It also sends a bad message to the players, that this will be a franchise in constant turmoil.

What needs to happen is the FO needs to stay with Zorn through next year. Let him bring in assistants he wants to coach the OL, WRs, Specials and if Blache wants to reture, bring in a new DC or promote Olivadotti. Zorn needs to delegate the QB coaching to Meidt and concentrate on being a HC/OC, not a QB coach. Snyder needs to "close his door" to players and not give them an opportunity to undermine the coach and GM (Cerrato)

Here's where we find out if Snyder really learned anything from Gibbs in terms of leading the franchise.[/quote]

Amen brother!! Well said.

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As pissed as I am at Zorn and his absolute inability to ever question his own decisions, getting rid of him would be a disaster for Jason Campbell. Starting over with yet another new offense is not the answer. Address our needs on both lines and you'll see significant improvement for both the O and the D.

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;511777]Weren't the same things being said during Gibbs' tenure after a frustrating loss with a bunch of mistakes/penalties? How can the HC be responsible for fumbles, mis-communication on defense, A [B]dumb-ass[/B] show-boating penalty....WHEN WE'VE BEEN GETTING OUR ASSES HANDED TO US!!! Constant Special Teams penalties. Does the team need more discipline, absolutely, but it's not entirely Zorn's fault.

Let's not forget that much of the coaching staff was in place for "stability" when Zorn was given the HC job. The position coaches need to shoulder a lot of the blame and I think many will be gone. Firing Zorn now when he hasn't been given a chance to truly put his stamp on the team, even if we finish 7-9 is a terrible mistake. Any promising coordinators will not want to come here because if they hit a rough stretch they know they'll be canned. It also sends a bad message to the players, that this will be a franchise in constant turmoil.

[B]What needs to happen is the FO needs to stay with Zorn through next year.[/B] Let him bring in assistants he wants to coach the OL, WRs, Specials and if Blache wants to reture, bring in a new DC or promote Olivadotti. Zorn needs to delegate the QB coaching to Meidt and concentrate on being a HC/OC, not a QB coach.[B] Snyder needs to "close his door" to players and not give them an opportunity to undermine the coach and GM (Cerrato)[/B]

Here's where we find out if Snyder really learned anything from Gibbs in terms of leading the franchise.[/quote]

ABSOLUTELY SAMMY! I could not agree more. One of the best posts I've ever read!

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;511777]Weren't the same things being said during Gibbs' tenure after a frustrating loss with a bunch of mistakes/penalties? How can the HC be responsible for fumbles, mis-communication on defense, A [B]dumb-ass[/B] show-boating penalty....WHEN WE'VE BEEN GETTING OUR ASSES HANDED TO US!!! Constant Special Teams penalties. Does the team need more discipline, absolutely, but it's not entirely Zorn's fault.

Let's not forget that much of the coaching staff was in place for "stability" when Zorn was given the HC job. The position coaches need to shoulder a lot of the blame and I think many will be gone. Firing Zorn now when he hasn't been given a chance to truly put his stamp on the team, even if we finish 7-9 is a terrible mistake. Any promising coordinators will not want to come here because if they hit a rough stretch they know they'll be canned. It also sends a bad message to the players, that this will be a franchise in constant turmoil.

What needs to happen is the FO needs to stay with Zorn through next year. Let him bring in assistants he wants to coach the OL, WRs, Specials and if Blache wants to reture, bring in a new DC or promote Olivadotti. Zorn needs to delegate the QB coaching to Meidt and concentrate on being a HC/OC, not a QB coach. Snyder needs to "close his door" to players and not give them an opportunity to undermine the coach and GM (Cerrato)

Here's where we find out if Snyder really learned anything from Gibbs in terms of leading the franchise.[/quote]

Very well said.

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STOP IT. Zorn is not the problem. Same excuses every year. Give me a break! Just a month ago Zorn was god. This is and has been Snyders inability to hire competent scouts and let the coaches do there job.

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The big question is whether or not the team is quitting. Everything else is peripheral at this point. While I don't know the answer definitively, it has neither sounded nor looked good recently. It's easy to preach continuity and learning from Gibbs and all that, and I am inclined to agree to an extent, but bringing back a guy who is sure to face the same problems next season merely for continuity's sake is worse than firing someone too quickly.

Losing is one thing. But Zorn is currently captaining a full scale implosion. If the team loses out and the locker room continues to unravel and the playcalling continues to be impotent I don't understand how a change can not be on the table.

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Who trades Champ Bailey? Decisions like these make no sence. He was the closest thing to Green we've had. Why are recievers returning punts? Why do we trade Thrash when he's great and get him back when he sucks? Why do we not have a line worthy to be called the Hogs. What's up with Alexander? On and on and on... I wonder why we suck?

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[quote=djnemo65;511819]The big question is whether or not the team is quitting. Everything else is peripheral at this point. While I don't know the answer definitively, it has neither sounded nor looked good recently. It's easy to preach continuity and learning from Gibbs and all that, and I am inclined to agree to an extent, but bringing back a guy who is sure to face the same problems next season merely for continuity's sake is worse than firing someone too quickly.

Losing is one thing. But Zorn is currently captaining a full scale implosion. If the team loses out and the locker room continues to unravel and the playcalling continues to be impotent I don't understand how a change can not be on the table.[/quote]

This is when your veteran players leadership comes into play. Guys like Fletcher, Samuels, etc. need to tell the malcontents to get with the program or get the **** out!!

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[quote=44ever;511820]Who trades Champ Bailey? Decisions like these make no sence. He was the closest thing to Green we've had. Why are recievers returning punts? Why do we trade Thrash when he's great and get him back when he sucks? Why do we not have a line worthy to be called the Hogs. What's up with Alexander? On and on and on... I wonder why we suck?[/quote]

Champ wanted out, it was the right thing to do.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;511823]Champ wanted out, it was the right thing to do.[/quote]


Not exactly. Champ would have stayed if Snyder opened up his wallet for him, but they couldn't have kept both Bailey and Lavar Arrington.

So they chose Lavar. What forsight.

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[quote=jamf;509923]Colt Brennen will be the next redskins coach.[/quote]

Colt Brennan, the new Babe Laufenberg.

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[quote=djnemo65;511819]The big question is whether or not the team is quitting. Everything else is peripheral at this point. While I don't know the answer definitively, it has neither sounded nor looked good recently. It's easy to preach continuity and learning from Gibbs and all that, and I am inclined to agree to an extent, but bringing back a guy who is sure to face the same problems next season merely for continuity's sake is worse than firing someone too quickly.

Losing is one thing. But Zorn is currently captaining a full scale implosion. If the team loses out and the locker room continues to unravel and the playcalling continues to be impotent I don't understand how a change can not be on the table.[/quote]

dj I think u r seeing the forest through the trees for sure. I see everybody debating the importance of the record, debating how much leniency has to be given a rookie HC, etc etc. I don't want to say those are necessarily stupid things to talk about, but there importance is nil compared w/ that of Zorn's [B][I]ability [/I][/B]to lead a team. I believe it is painfully obvious he has lost this team w/ the exception of JC. To the novice fan's eye this offense plays like it detests being on the field. There's zero intensity w/ sporadic exceptions from Sellers, Portis and maybe Moss. (This includes JC - i understand he's never been Favrelike in his demeanor - but now his lack of passion/intensity is a liability IMHO for a team in desperate need of a leader).

Getting back to the big picture I don't think it's a stretch to say Zorn is the worst coach in the league right now. He has the luxury of concentrating almost solely on the offense because of Blache and yet we have had the absolute worst offense in football since the beginning of November (we've averaged about 10 points a game, which to my knowledge is the worst in football over that period of time.) What is critical is whether Zorn can begin to lead the team over the next two games. I don't care about winning/losing at this point. I am talking about whether he can get 11 guys on the field to play like professionals, in fact that's all we can hope for at this point. If Zorn cannot do that his status as an HC is unjustified. There is no reason to believe he'll be able to lead/motivate the same group of guys next year he failed to lead/motivate this year.

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Zorn proved today, by not having his team up for this critical game, that he's not ready to be a head coach in the NFL. How did you feel when Zorn was named head coach? I was shocked; it's like going to a guy you hired to be a manager and making him CEO. Snyder made a mistake, and he'll try to undo it ASAP. I bet he offers Cowher $10 million/year.
I know another major change sucks, but since it's bound to happen, why not now? As long as Danny is coach, change will be a constant with the Skins.

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Why is it that everyone blames Zorn and not the FO (Vinny) look at teams with rookie coaches and the men behind the scenes in the FO. Atlanta (Demetriov), Miami (Parcells), Baltimore (Newsome) and Washington (Cerrato). This is the difference. Dan Snyder if you are reading this board do us all a favor and fire Vinny or hire him as your chauffeur, butler, cook whatever, anything but GM of the Washington Redskins.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;511845]Why is it that everyone blames Zorn and not the FO (Vinny) look at teams with rookie coaches and the men behind the scenes in the FO. Atlanta (Demetriov), Miami (Parcells), Baltimore (Newsome) and Washington (Cerrato). This is the difference. Dan Snyder if you are reading this board do us all a favor and fire Vinny or hire him as your chauffeur, butler, cook whatever, anything but GM of the Washington Redskins.[/quote]

The front office holds a lot of blame, but Danny ain't going to fire his friends. And we're stuck with Danny. After this season, I'm not sure Zorn was ready even to be a offensive coordiator (though his play-calling is offensive ; )

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[quote=Beemnseven;511825]Not exactly. Champ would have stayed if Snyder opened up his wallet for him, but they couldn't have kept both Bailey and Lavar Arrington.

So they chose Lavar. What forsight.[/quote]

Yeah, but there was plenty more to Champ's decision than just football.

On a separate note, I don't think we actually traded Thrash did we? Didn't he go as a free agent to Philly for some ridiculous contract?

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[quote=Twilbert07;511839]Zorn proved today, by not having his team up for this critical game, that he's not ready to be a head coach in the NFL. How did you feel when Zorn was named head coach? I was shocked; it's like going to a guy you hired to be a manager and making him CEO. Snyder made a mistake, and he'll try to undo it ASAP. I bet he offers Cowher $10 million/year.
I know another major change sucks, but since it's bound to happen, why not now? As long as Danny is coach, change will be a constant with the Skins.[/quote]

If Zorn goes theirs no way Campbell is going to make it here. Everyone complains about JC but, every year he gets a new offense. You can'tchange the offense every year and expect it to get better.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;511845]Why is it that everyone blames Zorn and not the FO (Vinny) look at teams with rookie coaches and the men behind the scenes in the FO. Atlanta (Demetriov), Miami (Parcells), Baltimore (Newsome) and Washington (Cerrato). This is the difference. Dan Snyder if you are reading this board do us all a favor and fire Vinny or hire him as your chauffeur, butler, cook whatever, anything but GM of the Washington Redskins.[/quote]

Thank You!

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ditto

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[quote=WaldSkins;511855]If Zorn goes theirs no way Campbell is going to make it here. Everyone complains about JC but, every year he gets a new offense. You can'tchange the offense every year and expect it to get better.[/quote]

If Cowher or any new coach comes in, you have to open up the QB competition. If JC wins it, good.

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I still think Zorn deserves another year but one issue I have: we have had[B] [B]9[/B][/B] 1st quarters out of 14 where we got [B]ZERO[/B] point compare that to our opponents first drive (seemed like they got a TD every time but I don't know their stats)
That definitely seems like motivation issues. Maybe to much medium?

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[quote=Twilbert07;511839]Zorn proved today, by not having his team up for this critical game, that he's not ready to be a head coach in the NFL. [B]How did you feel when Zorn was named head coach? I was shocked; it's like going to a guy you hired to be a manager and making him CEO.[/B] Snyder made a mistake, and he'll try to undo it ASAP. I bet he offers Cowher $10 million/year.
I know another major change sucks, but since it's bound to happen, why not now? As long as Danny is coach, change will be a constant with the Skins.[/quote]

That was sort of the general consensus if memory serves. After Danny had 4 years w/ Gibbs I would have expected more maturity and competence so I guess I figured Danny had found a diamond in the rough. Zorn, I hoped, would have the kind of leadership quality we all saw from Gibbs but take the offense to a higher level. I think instead Danny found someone who sort of interviewed like a super optimistic yes-man: the exact opposite of Gregg Williams incidentally.

Snyder still strikes me as a total enigma. The ultra-successful typically have a great talent for recognizing talent, for prognosticating what others are capable of. Snyder appears to be the least perceptive "self-made man" in the country - he is absolutely ****ing terrible at recognizing/managing talent.

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[quote=SmootSmack;511852]Yeah, but there was plenty more to Champ's decision than just football.

On a separate note, I don't think we actually traded Thrash did we? Didn't he go as a free agent to Philly for some ridiculous contract?[/quote]

Right. Something about another woman? How is it that wasn't an issue in Denver but it would have been in Washington? Oh well.

Thrash I'm not sure about. How about that illegal formation penalty against him today? Hasn't he been in the league for 12 years or so? It used to be that he got a free pass around here for his great special teams play. He's wearing out that pass too.

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[quote=Beemnseven;511867]Right. Something about another woman? How is it that wasn't an issue in Denver but it would have been in Washington? Oh well.

Thrash I'm not sure about. How about that illegal formation penalty against him today? Hasn't he been in the league for 12 years or so? It used to be that he got a free pass around here for his great special teams play. He's wearing out that pass too.[/quote]

Maybe the woman lives in the DC area...

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[quote=djnemo65;511819][B]The big question is whether or not the team is quitting.[/B] Everything else is peripheral at this point. While I don't know the answer definitively, it has neither sounded nor looked good recently. It's easy to preach continuity and learning from Gibbs and all that, and I am inclined to agree to an extent, but bringing back a guy who is sure to face the same problems next season merely for continuity's sake is worse than firing someone too quickly.

Losing is one thing. But Zorn is currently captaining a full scale implosion. If the team loses out and the locker room continues to unravel and the playcalling continues to be impotent I don't understand how a change can not be on the table.[/quote]

After that effort today the answer might be becoming quite clear.

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I said yes.

This team has essentially played 2 good games...both in the first month.
We struggled but won after that, then struggled and lost by a score after that.
Then we started blowing critical NFC East games and we got dominated a few times on national TV...can it get worse....sure....at least we'll never get beat by the Bengals......
OOPS.

This team has been progressively getting worse since the first quarter was over.
Why were we good early on?
1 of 2 possibilities.
1...new playcalling, no one had film on us.
2...perhaps our team had Gibbs guts carrying over from last year.

Bottom line, this team isn't incredibly talented.
Yes we have Portis, Moss and Fletcher but thats it.
The only way to make a team with average talent win is by exceptional coaching.
I don't see that right now....therefore, Zorn may be in trouble...expecially if we don't win another game which is a good possibility.

I really think he'll get another season, if for no other reason, so Danny can keep the haters down.

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[quote=Mattyk72;511870]Maybe the woman lives in the DC area...[/quote]

Okay, so what? She decides not to raise hell because he moved to Denver?

Maybe I'm missing something with the story here, somebody will have to fill me in with the details.

I always thought he wanted out of Washington because he was sick of playing for a loser. A big paycheck might have convinced him otherwise though.

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[quote=Mattyk72;511872]After that effort today the answer might be becoming quite clear.[/quote]There's no quit in a team that gets down 17-0 and then comes back to basically tie the game.

It's unfortunate that the call got overturned and later we fumbled, because we had basically done all the work it takes to get back in the game. But even the fumble was a bad call because Sellers was clearly stopped for two or three seconds before they blew the whistle and ruled touchback. Great job, morons. Way to play it off like you didn't screw up either.

Remember, our offense only got into trouble when we tried to rely on the running game. Our passing game had it's way with them. They had no pressure on Campbell, and he picked the intermediate zones apart.

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[quote=skinsnut;511874]I said yes.

This team has essentially played 2 good games...both in the first month.
We struggled but won after that, then struggled and lost by a score after that.
Then we started blowing critical NFC East games and we got dominated a few times on national TV...can it get worse....sure....at least we'll never get beat by the Bengals......
OOPS.

This team has been progressively getting worse since the first quarter was over.
Why were we good early on?
1 of 2 possibilities.
1...new playcalling, no one had film on us.
2...perhaps our team had Gibbs guts carrying over from last year.

Bottom line, this team isn't incredibly talented.
Yes we have Portis, Moss and Fletcher but thats it.
The only way to make a team with average talent win is by exceptional coaching.
I don't see that right now....therefore, Zorn may be in trouble...expecially if we don't win another game which is a good possibility.

I really think he'll get another season, if for no other reason, so Danny can keep the haters down.[/quote]


"Gibbs Guts" -- I like that.

How about possibility #3: The most crucial part of any offense, the O-line, had peaked, began to get hit with injuries to aging players whose skills were starting to diminish anyway, and due to front office neglect, they had nobody waiting in the wings to step up.

You still count Santana Moss as 'incredible talent'? Honestly I don't know what there is to see about him anymore.

It's funny that his pathetic endzone celebration was shining shoes. That's about all he's been good for since 2005.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;511821]This is when your veteran players leadership comes into play. Guys like Fletcher, Samuels, etc. need to tell the malcontents to get with the program or get the **** out!![/quote]
Agreed 100%.

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[quote=Beemnseven;511882]"Gibbs Guts" -- I like that.

How about possibility #3: The most crucial part of any offense, the O-line, had peaked, began to get hit with injuries to aging players whose skills were starting to diminish anyway, and due to front office neglect, they had nobody waiting in the wings to step up.

You still count Santana Moss as 'incredible talent'? Honestly I don't know what there is to see about him anymore.

It's funny that his pathetic endzone celebration was shining shoes. That's about all he's been good for since 2005.[/quote]

what was up with the shoe thing? I could see doing that on a wining team that was killing a loser team like Cincy but we were down 17 points and sucking wind, Moss is embarrassing.

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[quote=WaldSkins;510012]Firing the coach is not going to get our lines to play better.[/quote]

Actually, it may.
Gibbs adjusted his playcalling to provide max protect.
Our same line last year was considered a strength....hmmm....
That is the difference in a hall of fame coach and a rookie....adjustments.

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I think Zorn might have worked since he inherited a decent team at the time. Now to ask this virgin head couch to rebuild a whole franchise, I think you are asking too much of him. Here is where you need a Cower type person who couches and does front office. Vinny needs to go. IF we are going to change gears do it right after the season give Cower or who ever enough time to evaluate the draft and FA.

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[quote=GTripp0012;511881]There's no quit in a team that gets down 17-0 and then comes back to basically tie the game.[/quote]

I'd say a team has quit when it gets down 17-0 to the Bengals in the first place.

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[quote=SmootSmack;510037]I think Blache and Bugel will almost definitely retire (remember Blache wanted to at the end of last season). Hixon, Smith, and probably Palermo will be let go. Gray will move up to DC. Olivadotti will take over the line or possibly special teams. Jim Lind comes over from the Seahawks to take over Buge's spot.[/quote]

Smootsmack...
This is ballsy speculation...I will hold you to this.
Blache AND Bugel retire?
Wow.

I can see smith and hixon being cut though...they have done a poor job

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[quote=Beemnseven;511900]I'd say a team has quit when it gets down 17-0 to the Bengals in the first place.[/quote]

If it quit it wouldn't have scored 13 points. Bottom line, Sellers screwed up with that fumble.

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[quote=skinsnut;511902]Smootsmack...
This is ballsy speculation...I will hold you to this.
Blache AND Bugel retire?
Wow.

I can see smith and hixon being cut though...they have done a poor job[/quote]

If the running game was our strength and we ran the Gibbs system with the WCO on passing. Then the most logical choice would be to bring in Russ Grimm not the Seahawks OL coach. Why change the strength of your team with yet another running game system?