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I want Bodden, Kelvin Hayden, Chris Johnson or Ron Bartell (all cornerbacks) above all other free agents. After that, I'd like to see Lechler here. No one player in the free agent market would make a bigger impact on our team than Shane Lechler, considering he would turn a main weakness into a strength basically overnight.

Outside of that, I'd chase a few centers, thinking either Geoff Hangartner or Jason Brown. But I wouldn't be in a rush to spend money after I shore up CB and Punter.

Ray Willis, a 27 year old OT from Seattle, might be a better (and a little older) version of Stephon Heyer, and there's the obvious Zorn connection.

And then I would mention the name Leonard Weaver, the Fullback from the Seahawks, who could be a FB/HB/STeamer combo for us. He's just a great player, though he doesn't fill a need.

But the key is, after CB and Punter, lets let the market set itself. Then lets try to upgrade the team on the cheap.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;526380]Whatever team signs Haynesworth will be making one of the biggest mistakes in the history of free agency. Haynesworth will not be THAT young when the season starts. hes only got another 4-5 years of production similar to what weve seen the past two years, but theres no garauntee he will continue to perform at a high level. by all appearances, hes been motivated soley by the prospect of a big payday. Haynesworth wants to be the highest paid defensive player in league history. whoever pays him that kind of money for the maximum potential of another 4-5 years of performance similar to what he did in 2007 and 2008 is an idiot.

Id rather have Chad Johnson buy the team and name us the Washington Ocho Cincos than have us bring Haynesworth here.[/quote]

I think that's the nature of the sport and in this business there are risks that both players and teams take. Teams like the Chiefs and Tampa Bay have a lot of cap room and have the luxury of taking their chances on a good player that will cost a lot $$. Just as there's a chance that Haynesworth won't produce as much as he has before, there's a chance that he will produce and will turn a team's defense around.

Just because Washington has been plagued by hyped free agents who end up a bust, doesn't necessarily mean that the same is going to happen everywhere. Besides, organizations like the Chiefs and Tampa Bay have to do something that shows that they are working towards improving their teams. And you're not going to tell me that $$ is not a huge driving factor in the performance of most if not all NFL athletes? Another factor is also making it to the playoffs and winning a Superbowl. Team owners and front offices also want to earn money, go to the playoffs, and make it to the SB; so there will be plenty of teams that will pay for Haynesworth.

With that said, I don't think the Redskins should get Haynesworth, but not because [B]I know[/B] that he's going to be bust (I don't, no one knows); but because the team has other needs (i.e. the offensive line that broke down in the second half of the season), doesn't have the cap room, and well it appears that the team is not going after splashy free agents.

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doesn't Haynesworth remind anyone of Dana Stubblefield? just say no

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;526380]Whatever team signs Haynesworth will be making one of the biggest mistakes in the history of free agency. Haynesworth will not be THAT young when the season starts. hes only got another 4-5 years of production similar to what weve seen the past two years, but theres no garauntee he will continue to perform at a high level. by all appearances, hes been motivated soley by the prospect of a big payday. Haynesworth wants to be the highest paid defensive player in league history. whoever pays him that kind of money for the maximum potential of another 4-5 years of performance similar to what he did in 2007 and 2008 is an idiot.

Id rather have Chad Johnson buy the team and name us the Washington Ocho Cincos than have us bring Haynesworth here.[/quote]

Haynesworth is a risk reward player but he has shown me enough to make an offer to him. Why wouldn't you think he might have just gotten better in those two years. Being a superstar doesn't come overnight, it takes practices, and seasons to become great. Until his production slips then I'll admit I was wrong. Comparing him to Stubblefeild is ridiculous. The guy was juiced the season before we signed him in FA. As far as I know Haynesworth didn't take any steroids to get better. Judge him in '09 to tell whether he's bust or a sucess.

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[quote=dmek25;526390]doesn't Haynesworth remind anyone of Dana Stubblefield? just say no[/quote]

I've been guilty of this, making the statement that Haynesworth smells like a bust, and some people have made the comparisons to Stubblefield, who came to our team and sucked it up big time. My question for us is...well how do we know this? I did some homework and looked at Stubby's stats before he came to Washington, and looked at Haynesworth stats for the past three seasons:

[B]Stubby before coming to the Redskins[/B]
Yr/Team/Tackles/Solo/Sacks/FF/INTs – Def Rank/Team Record
1995/SF/34/27/4.5/0/1 – 2nd/ 11-5
1996/SF/ 33/26/1.0/1/1 – 6th/ 12-4
[I][B]1997SF/61/49/15.0/3/0 – 12th/ 13-3[/B][/I]

[B]Haynesworth’s last three seasons[/B]
Yr/Team/Tackles/Solo/Sacks/FF/INTs – Def Rank/Team Record
2006/TEN/30/23/2.0/0/0 – 27th/ 8-8
2007/TEN/40/32/6.0/0 – 21st/ 10-6
2008/TEN/51/41/8.5/3/0 – 7th/ 13-3

Stubby's last season in San Fran was incredible...61 Tkls (49 Solo), 15 sacks, and 3 force fumbles. Can anyone honestly tell me that you wouldn't have picked this guy? I ask again, how do you know that someone is going to be a bust? Stubblefield came to the Redskins and only played 7 games in his first season and did not have the same type of production (I guess now we prob know that he probably went off the juice). I mean other than completely staying away from any big time free agent, that's the only way I feel you can avoid having a bust.

Once again, I am not advocating for Haynesworth to come to Washington. I just find it funny that free agents are a hit or miss. Sometimes I feel teams could have done better homework, but I would say most of the time teams just have bad luck.

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The texans & Jags just released some fairly big names.:

[url=http://espn.go.com/nfl/]NFL Football Teams, Scores, Stats, News, Standings, Rumors - National Football League - ESPN[/url]

I liked Jerry Porter until his bust year in J'ville, but maybe his hamstring is fully healed now. I doubt Zorn & Vinny will try & sign him, but I'm sure they'll look into it.

The guys that might be cheap & helpful are Greenwood & Florence. Not saying any of these guys is a priority, or that the Skins will sign them, but based on these cuts & some others, it looks to be a fairly flooded market for free agents.

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Jerry Porter is universally hated in every locker room he enters. TO gets the pub, but everything I've heard says JP is much worse.

Wasn't Florence a guy that was repeatedly rumored to be here last off-season?

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I would put my typical "I am not suggesting for x-player to come to the Redskins", but that tends to be a futile attempt. But anyway, I just saw this on ESPN and thought to myself, what a pity that these talented receivers (Boldin, Burress, and CJ) have such character issues. I wonder if any of these receivers will get traded.

[url=http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3900946]Report: Agent for Plaxico Burress shopping receiver - ESPN[/url]

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[quote=Ruhskins;526503]I would put my typical "I am not suggesting for x-player to come to the Redskins", but that tends to be a futile attempt. But anyway, I just saw this on ESPN and thought to myself, what a pity that these talented receivers (Boldin, Burress, and CJ) have such character issues. I wonder if any of these receivers will get traded.

[URL="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3900946"]Report: Agent for Plaxico Burress shopping receiver - ESPN[/URL][/quote]
While Burress & CJ's character issues are well documented, I don't believe Boldin has any character problems (unless I'm missing something). The only issue Boldin has is wanting to get a new contract. I know teammates will protect each other in the media, but Larry Fitzgerald's statements of reworking his contract and his statements on the sideline at the Pro Bowl seem to be a true endorsement of Boldin.

P.S. While he's a very good WR, I don't see him coming here, nor am I suggesting the Skins pursue him.

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;526508]While Burress & CJ's character issues are well documented, I don't believe Boldin has any character problems (unless I'm missing something). The only issue Boldin has is wanting to get a new contract. I know teammates will protect each other in the media, but Larry Fitzgerald's statements of reworking his contract and his statements on the sideline at the Pro Bowl seem to be a true endorsement of Boldin.

P.S. While he's a very good WR, I don't see him coming here, nor am I suggesting the Skins pursue him.[/quote]

I guess some teams would see Boldin's demand for a contract as a character issue, but you are correct Burress and CJ are the ones with the character issues. I must say though that I think with Fitz's plea and willingness to restructure his contract, Boldin is going to come out as the bad guy if he doesn't stay with AZ. Well I'm sure the media will portray him that way.

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The Falcons are expected to release WLB Keith Brooking before February 23, when he is due a $1 million roster bonus.
SLBs Michael Boley and Coy Wire are also free agents. Feb. 12 - 11:56 am et

Keith Brooking or Michael Boley, would be make a good stap gap for 1-2yrs at SLB once
Marcus Washington is released..Picking up an OLB like Mckenzie or Freeman in the 3rd round makes sense

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[quote=ChickenMonkey;526750]The Falcons are expected to release WLB Keith Brooking before February 23, when he is due a $1 million roster bonus.
SLBs Michael Boley and Coy Wire are also free agents. Feb. 12 - 11:56 am et

Keith Brooking or Michael Boley, would be make a good stap gap for 1-2yrs at SLB once
Marcus Washington is released..Picking up an OLB like Mckenzie or Freeman in the 3rd round makes sense[/quote]

Keith Brooking would either be our latest version of Randall Godfrey or Jessie Armstead. Either way he's definitely the type of guy that wouldn't surprise me should we sign him.

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I think i posed this question in another thread, but i cant find it so i apologize if its already been answered...

Ive seen some discussion that we should move Jansen to guard this year and get a new RT in free agency or the draft. I guess the idea is that

1) Jansens going to be on the roster making alot of money, so we might as well get some use out of him.
2) Jansen would be able to prolong his career at guard
3) We wouldnt have to look to free agency or the draft to sign a new guard.

But my question is, didnt we already try to put Jansen at guard before and it was a miserable failure? Didnt we find that he couldnt adjust to playing on the inside?

Thanks.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;526858]I think i posed this question in another thread, but i cant find it so i apologize if its already been answered...

Ive seen some discussion that we should move Jansen to guard this year and get a new RT in free agency or the draft. I guess the idea is that

1) Jansens going to be on the roster making alot of money, so we might as well get some use out of him.
2) Jansen would be able to prolong his career at guard
3) We wouldnt have to look to free agency or the draft to sign a new guard.

But my question is, didnt we already try to put Jansen at guard before and it was a miserable failure? Didnt we find that he couldnt adjust to playing on the inside?

Thanks.[/quote]

I'd be all for moving him to left guard. Especially after hearing that Bugel isn't all that high on Rinehart.

I don't think they have tried it before. They did try him as the backup center last year.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;526858]I think i posed this question in another thread, but i cant find it so i apologize if its already been answered...

Ive seen some discussion that we should move Jansen to guard this year and get a new RT in free agency or the draft. I guess the idea is that

1) Jansens going to be on the roster making alot of money, so we might as well get some use out of him.
2) Jansen would be able to prolong his career at guard
3) We wouldnt have to look to free agency or the draft to sign a new guard.

[B]But my question is, didnt we already try to put Jansen at guard before and it was a miserable failure? Didnt we find that he couldnt adjust to playing on the inside? [/B]

Thanks.[/quote]

I think that was Todd Wade.

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you're right - it was wade. wed be much better off moving jansen to guard as opposed to paying him over 6 million to be a backup tackle.

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The way Buges talks, Jansens injuries and age are catching up to him. He said he never was 100% last year and hopes he'll be better this year. I hope he's tried at guard but unfortunately if he doesn't get healthier we may have seen the last of Jansen in a starting role.

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Jansen is still smallish compared to today's massive guards but he actually brings a little more mass to the line than Kendell. His struggle at tackle has looked to more in lateral movement than anything - he's still quite strong when run blocking - so I'd like to think working in the interior where there's less space for defenders to beat him will be to his advantage. Anyway, i like the thinking of mr bighair... let's get what we can from him at the guard position. He knows our schemes through and through.

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What do people think about Bart Scott? He probably will go to a 3-4 defense, but I'm curious to know what people would think about him coming here.

[url=http://www.examiner.com/x-2962-Baltimore-Sports-Examiner~y2009m2d13-Suggs-optimistic-Woodson-says-Lewis-career-as-a-Raven-would-be-over-if-he-reaches-market]Baltimore Sports Examiner: Suggs optimistic; Woodson says Lewis' career as a Raven would be over if he reaches market[/url]

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[quote=Ruhskins;526898]What do people think about Bart Scott? He probably will go to a 3-4 defense, but I'm curious to know what people would think about him coming here.

[url=http://www.examiner.com/x-2962-Baltimore-Sports-Examiner~y2009m2d13-Suggs-optimistic-Woodson-says-Lewis-career-as-a-Raven-would-be-over-if-he-reaches-market]Baltimore Sports Examiner: Suggs optimistic; Woodson says Lewis' career as a Raven would be over if he reaches market[/url][/quote]

he's going to cost way too much. not worth it by a long shot.

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[quote=Ruhskins;526898]What do people think about Bart Scott? He probably will go to a 3-4 defense, but I'm curious to know what people would think about him coming here.

[url=http://www.examiner.com/x-2962-Baltimore-Sports-Examiner~y2009m2d13-Suggs-optimistic-Woodson-says-Lewis-career-as-a-Raven-would-be-over-if-he-reaches-market]Baltimore Sports Examiner: Suggs optimistic; Woodson says Lewis' career as a Raven would be over if he reaches market[/url][/quote]

I'm not really sold on Scott. Not sure he'll do as well somewhere else as he's
done with the Ravens.

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Anyone thinking we should sign Jacobs......the Giants just put the franchise tag on him.

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[quote=53Fan;526974]Anyone thinking we should sign Jacobs......the Giants just put the franchise tag on him.[/quote]

No way 53. But Ward might be available!

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Ward is not a speed back like we need, he a just like betts so no

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[quote=Nflnick11;527262]Ward is not a speed back like we need, [B]he a just like betts[/B] so no[/quote]

First off who says we need a "speed back" yea I seen Sproles too and yea it would be nice to have "him" but Betts is no Ward and never will be.

A Portis/Ward combo would knock the crap out of any defense.

Wards stats [url=http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/6994]Derrick Ward - New York Giants - NFL - Yahoo! Sports[/url]
Betts stats [url=http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/5942]Ladell Betts - Washington Redskins - NFL - Yahoo! Sports[/url]

Ward put up over 1000 yards and he had to share the stage with Jacobs who only put up 60 more yards than Ward. Jacobs put up 1089 yards. Together they put up 2100 yards.

If you put Portis and Ward together in 2008 with there respected yardage we would have had 2500 rushing yards. Ill take that any day.

Ward also avg 5.6 YPC vs Betts 3.4 YPC
No contest here my friend.

FYI Ward is not my FA pick. I was just responding to 53fan post on Jacobs. But I wouldnt say no to Ward thats for sure

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[quote=44ever;527266]First off who says we need a "speed back" yea I seen Sproles too and yea it would be nice to have "him" but Betts is no Ward and never will be.

A Portis/Ward combo would knock the crap out of any defense.

Wards stats [url=http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/6994]Derrick Ward - New York Giants - NFL - Yahoo! Sports[/url]
Betts stats [url=http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/5942]Ladell Betts - Washington Redskins - NFL - Yahoo! Sports[/url]

Ward put up over 1000 yards and he had to share the stage with Jacobs who only put up 60 more yards than Ward. Jacobs put up 1089 yards. Together they put up 2100 yards.

If you put Portis and Ward together in 2008 with there respected yardage we would have had 2500 rushing yards. Ill take that any day.

Ward also avg 5.6 YPC vs Betts 3.4 YPC
No contest here my friend.

FYI Ward is not my FA pick. I was just responding to 53fan post on Jacobs. But I wouldnt say no to Ward thats for sure[/quote]

Ward has one of the best, if not the best lines in the league, that's pretty much why he has such good stats...

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[quote=Nflnick11;527319]Ward has one of the best, if not the best lines in the league, that's pretty much why he has such good stats...[/quote]

Many people outside of the Redskins fandome would argue that the Skins have one of the better rushing offensive lines as well.

We ourselves might not believe it, but that is what the analysts were saying when Portis was hot last year. Most of them were crediting the Oline play (before all of the injuries).

I tend to agree that Derrick Ward is an upgrade over Betts. Betts is a poor man's Portis. They combine for a 1-1 punch. Portis and Ward would combine for a 1-2 punch. Nothing against Betts but he has no role unless Portis is hurt. Ward could coexist with Portis because he brings a different running style.

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I think his name has come up before, but I wonder if it would be worth looking at Stacy Andrews if he doesn't sign with Cincy. He could come fairly cheap, since he's rehabbing from an injury. However, if the team sets up a contract with incentive clauses, we may be able to snag him up. Well, unless there's a team dumb enough to sign him to a big contract. It sounds like he would be ready to go by the time training camp comes around.

[url=http://news.cincinnati.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2009902150439]Andrews proving a fast healer | Cincinnati Enquirer | Cincinnati.Com[/url]

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chris mcalister is now on the market too. the ravens just released him. Maybe a possilbe pickup depending what corners we bring back?

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[quote=Bubba305-ST21-;527344]chris mcalister is now on the market too. the ravens just released him. Maybe a possilbe pickup depending what corners we bring back?[/quote]

Why bring another Shawn Springs. McAllister has had back-to-back season ending injuries.

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Shayne Graham. Kicker for Cincinatti has been tagged.

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Id kill to get McCallister,cut Springs and his 8 million salary
as well as Smoot....McCallister can play the nickle with Hall and Rogers starting
McCallister brings a real tough veteran presence and he knows how to win....

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Why get another Springs (McCallister), and we could always go for a cheap deal for stacy andrews, especially if andrews plays G and T.

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[quote=Nflnick11;527360]Why get another Springs (McCallister), and we could always go for a cheap deal for stacy andrews, especially if andrews plays G and T.[/quote]

Dude, are you recycling my posts? LOL.

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Robertson went from a 3-4 defense, where he wasn't a good fit to a terrible defense in Denver. I wonder if it would be worth picking him up for cheap. He's 27 yrs. old and he seems to be talented. He has had a history of injuries, but played 15 games last season. Any thoughts?

[url=http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3912089]Denver Broncos cut ties with expensive defensive tackle Dewayne Robertson - ESPN[/url]

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I don't think it'd hurt to talk to him. He's been a disappointment considering where he was drafted but he's young and he's got talent

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[quote=SmootSmack;527429]I don't think it'd hurt to talk to him. He's been a disappointment considering where he was drafted but he's young and he's got talent[/quote]

Plus he played in a terrible Denver defense, maybe he'd do better for us. But once again, for the right price.

On another note, here's another link about AZ tagging Dansby...

[url=http://blogs.nfl.com/2009/02/16/cardinals-expected-to-franchise-lb-dansby/]NFL.com Blogs » Blog Archive Cardinals expected to tag LB Dansby, not QB Warner «[/url]

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[quote=SmootSmack;527429]I don't think it'd hurt to talk to him. He's been a disappointment considering where he was drafted but he's young and he's got talent[/quote]

it couldnt hurt, but i dont see him as being an upgrade over either Golston or Monty. Between Golston, Monty, Alexander, and Evans, we have plenty of "depth" on our d-line. what we need a truly dominant starter... something i doubt we find this year in free agency and the draft.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;527454]it couldnt hurt, but i dont see him as being an upgrade over either Golston or Monty. Between Golston, Monty, Alexander, and Evans, we have plenty of "depth" on our d-line. what we need a truly dominant starter... something i doubt we find this year in free agency and the draft.[/quote]

I agree with that. But one thing that's kind of being overlooked is the free agents we have. Evans and Montgomery are both UFAs, Golston is an RFA. Griffin and/or Daniels could be cap casualties. I don't think there's a high demand for any of them and we're probably bring most, if not all, back. But it's not out of the realm of possibility that if the Redskins think there's a better alternative out there they'll let some of their free agents walk.

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Saints release RB McAllister to create cap room