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[quote=Pocket$ $traight;573287]I don't think that Eli's contract is that ridiculous. He is a proven clutch QB. Now if you want to look at idiotic contracts I would discuss Nate Clements, Asomugha or Stafford's deal before I would focus on Eli's.

I think that Eli owes a lot of this deal to Burress and a great offensive line but I don't think that the Giants made a terrible move by locking him up. In a few years this contract probably won't look so out of line.[/quote]

I think the owners would have a lockout, but could you imagine if they play with an uncapped season in 2010? Some of these owners will spend money like drunken sailors in a nudie bar and that $97MM might seem like a "bargain".

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[quote=GTripp0012;573275] McNabb's contract says: you're are quarterback of the present, we're going to pay you to win while we build for the future, while Eli's screams, "we have no plan so please win us some games this year."[/quote]


LOL..........??? HUH?:doh:

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Seriously...the argument is basically "yeah but he has a ring?" HE DIDN'T WIN THEM THEIR SB. If you want to argue that he did then do so...but the fact that they won a SB with as QB. in and of itself, is not reason to give him a bank breaking deal. Is he worth it? Does paying him that money make sense? To me, no. I'd rather pay a ringless QB of comparable skill and value half that and use the other half to find some offensive weapons to help my new QB win us another SB. But that's just me I guess.

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[quote=FRPLG;573298]Seriously...the argument is basically "yeah but he has a ring?" [B]HE DIDN'T WIN THEM THEIR SB.[/B] If you want to argue that he did then do so...but the fact that they won a SB with as QB. in and of itself, is not reason to give him a bank breaking deal. Is he worth it? Does paying him that money make sense? To me, no. I'd rather pay a ringless QB of comparable skill and value half that and use the other half to find some offensive weapons to help my new QB win us another SB. But that's just me I guess.[/quote]

Eli didn't crumble under pressure like Romo does, either. He's gotten it done when it counts and not every middle-of-the-road qb can do that.

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[quote=FRPLG;573298]Seriously...the argument is basically "yeah but he has a ring?" HE DIDN'T WIN THEM THEIR SB. If you want to argue that he . But that's just me I guess.[/quote]

The argument is what I posted in #154 but yes he did win their super bowl,he was the only Giant QB to take a snap and has the MVP trophy to prove it.

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I personally don't think he's worth that massive contract, but at least he has proven that he can win the superbowl. If the contract is not cap-friendly then it ties more money into one player, which is good for the redskins. But a redskins fans like myself can't really say much considering the Haynesworth deal. Now if the redskins win the superbowl, then I will do much more trash talking.

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[quote=warriorzpath;573312]I personally don't think he's worth that massive contract, but at least he has proven that he can win the superbowl. If the contract is not cap-friendly then it ties more money into one player, which is good for the redskins. But a redskins fans like myself can't really say much considering the Haynesworth deal. Now if the redskins win the superbowl, then I will do much more trash talking.[/quote]


I have a couple of issues with the "what is Haynesworth making?" argument:

One - Eli is making a lot more. Haynesworth's deal is basically 4 for $48M and I don't think they overpaid because multiple teams were in the same ballpark. The reason the Redskins landed him was they offered more guaranteed.
Two - Haynesworth is seen as the absolute best player at his position in the National Football League. He has tools that no one else at his spot possess.
Three - Our team needed a pass rusher. He fit the bill perfectly. All the early results look like he was money well spent.

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[quote=Pocket$ $traight;573329]I have a couple of issues with the "what is Haynesworth making?" argument:

One - Eli is making a lot more. Haynesworth's deal is basically 4 for $48M and I don't think they overpaid because multiple teams were in the same ballpark. The reason the Redskins landed him was they offered more guaranteed.
[B]Two - Haynesworth is seen as the absolute best player at his position in the National Football League. He has tools that no one else at his spot possess[/B].
Three - Our team needed a pass rusher. He fit the bill perfectly. All the early results look like he was money well spent.[/quote]

Is there still any doubt about this? If there is, I think it will be cleared up soon enough.

Re: Eli Manning's 6-Year, $97.5 Million Extension One of NFL's Biggest Deals
 

[quote=Pocket$ $traight;573287]I don't think that Eli's contract is that ridiculous. He is a proven clutch QB. Now if you want to look at idiotic contracts I would discuss Nate Clements, Asomugha or Stafford's deal before I would focus on Eli's.

I think that Eli owes a lot of this deal to Burress and a great offensive line but I don't think that the Giants made a terrible move by locking him up. In a few years this contract probably won't look so out of line.[/quote]

I'm not buying the clutch argument. I've said it before- he had a great stretch run in 2007 that carried on into the playoffs, and he won the big one. He was also part of possibly the greatest play in Super Bowl history. I'm not trying to diminish any of that.

But if Eli's career thus far has shown us anything, it's that that phenomenal stretch in late 2007 was more an anomaly than the norm. His career passer rating is very middle of the road, and he's thrown 74 INTs in just 4 full seasons as a starter. Not to mention his yardage total last year was nearly identical to Campbell's. How clutch was he down the stretch last year? He was playing behind the best line in football with THREE very good RB's, and he still couldn't manage to throw a TD to a WR in the last 4 games. Their offense faltered, and it culminated with a downright ugly performance in a 1st round playoff loss.

He's a good QB, don't get me wrong. But he's not great, and he sure as hell doesn't deserve to be the highest paid QB in the league. Not even close really.

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[quote=GMScud;573374]I'm not buying the clutch argument. I've said it before- he had a great stretch run in 2007 that carried on into the playoffs, and he won the big one. He was also part of possibly the greatest play in Super Bowl history. I'm not trying to diminish any of that.

But if Eli's career thus far has shown us anything, it's that that phenomenal stretch in late 2007 was more an anomaly than the norm. His career passer rating is very middle of the road, and he's thrown 74 INTs in just 4 full seasons as a starter. Not to mention his yardage total last year was nearly identical to Campbell's. How clutch was he down the stretch last year? He was playing behind the best line in football with THREE very good RB's, and he still couldn't manage to throw a TD to a WR in the last 4 games. Their offense faltered, and it culminated with a downright ugly performance in a 1st round playoff loss.

He's a good QB, don't get me wrong. But he's not great, and he sure as hell doesn't deserve to be the highest paid QB in the league. Not even close really.[/quote]

I think this tells it pretty straight. :goodjob:

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Eli got the going market rate for winning super bowl QB's.

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[quote=Giantone;573408]Eli got the going market rate for winning super bowl QB's.[/quote]Such as Trent Dilfer's walking papers, and Brad Johnson's mythical contract extension.

Oh, you meant Brady/Peyton/Roethlisberger. Well, there's a fun game of "which one of these isn't like the others."

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[quote=GTripp0012;573410]Such as Trent Dilfer's walking papers, and Brad Johnson's mythical contract extension.

Oh, you meant Brady/Peyton/Roethlisberger. Well, there's a fun game of "which one of these isn't like the others."[/quote]

Thank you. The SB is so thin.

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[quote=GMScud;573374]I'm not buying the clutch argument. I've said it before- he had a great stretch run in 2007 that carried on into the playoffs, and he won the big one. [B]He was also part of possibly the greatest play in Super Bowl history[/B]. I'm not trying to diminish any of that.

But if Eli's career thus far has shown us anything, it's that that phenomenal stretch in late 2007 was more an anomaly than the norm. His career passer rating is very middle of the road, and he's thrown 74 INTs in just 4 full seasons as a starter. Not to mention his yardage total last year was nearly identical to Campbell's. How clutch was he down the stretch last year? He was playing behind the best line in football with THREE very good RB's, and he still couldn't manage to throw a TD to a WR in the last 4 games. Their offense faltered, and it culminated with a downright ugly performance in a 1st round playoff loss.

He's a good QB, don't get me wrong. But he's not great, and he sure as hell doesn't deserve to be the highest paid QB in the league. Not even close really.[/quote]

[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]The greatest play in SB History was 70 Chip. It has just been overshadowed by the ballerina escape and circus catch which were more recently executed.[/FONT][/COLOR]
[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR]
[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]You cannot tell me that a play that goes for a touchdown is less spectacular than a play merely set up one.[/FONT][/COLOR]

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[quote=Mattyk72;573189]You certainly can't be putting Tyree and Manning in the same category of player.[/quote]

Reading comprehension, sir. Read the last sentence. :)


So something scary is coming to light here...the admin of a Skins board by his own admission "does not hate the Cowboys" and now seems to be a fan of the Giants QB. What's next, you invite Philly fans to your home for BBQs on the weekends? ;)

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[quote=Angry;573435][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana][B]The greatest play in SB History was 70 Chip.[/B] It has just been overshadowed by the ballerina escape and circus catch which were more recently executed.[/FONT][/COLOR]

[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]You cannot tell me that a play that goes for a touchdown is less spectacular than a play merely set up one.[/FONT][/COLOR][/quote]

My daily Redskins desk calendar today actually says that is the greatest play in SB history. Serious. :)

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[quote=Buster;573443]Reading comprehension, sir. Read the last sentence. :)


So something scary is coming to light here...the admin of a Skins board by his own admission "does not hate the Cowboys" and now seems to be a fan of the Giants QB. What's next, you invite Philly fans to your home for BBQs on the weekends? ;)[/quote]

I never said Eli was great by winning the SB. My point is once a champ always a champ, and nobody can take that away, and as a QB it adds something pretty significant to your resume. Still not sure what your point is by putting him and Tyree in the same sentence.

I'm not a fan of Eli anymore than I am of anyone else, I just think he gets a bad rap and people love to hate on him.

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[quote=Pocket$ $traight;573329]I have a couple of issues with the "what is Haynesworth making?" argument:

One - Eli is making a lot more. Haynesworth's deal is basically 4 for $48M and I don't think they overpaid because multiple teams were in the same ballpark. The reason the Redskins landed him was they offered more guaranteed.
Two - [B]Haynesworth is seen as the absolute best player at his position in the National Football League. He has tools that no one else at his spot possess[/B].
Three - Our team needed a pass rusher. He fit the bill perfectly. All the early results look like he was money well spent.[/quote]

I'll buy this argument; that makes sense to me. I can also add that I think Haynesworth may be the absolute best [B]overall[/B] defensive player in the league in terms of impact on the game.

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[quote=Mattyk72;573455]I never said Eli was great by winning the SB. My point is once a champ always a champ, and nobody can take that away, and as a QB it adds something pretty significant to your resume. Still not sure what your point is by putting him and Tyree in the same sentence.

I'm not a fan of Eli anymore than I am of anyone else, I just think he gets a bad rap and people love to hate on him.[/quote]

Throw in a couple of steroid allegation and an affair with a hooker and lets watch what happens.

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[quote=Angry;573435][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]The greatest play in SB History was 70 Chip. It has just been overshadowed by the ballerina escape and circus catch which were more recently executed.[/FONT][/COLOR]

[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]You cannot tell me that a play that goes for a touchdown is less spectacular than a play merely set up one.[/FONT][/COLOR][/quote]

You're right. It is. I said Eli's play was "possibly" the greatest. I guess it's debatable (not amongst Skins fans though:)).

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[quote=GMScud;573515]You're right. It is. I said Eli's play was "possibly" the greatest. I guess it's debatable (not amongst Skins fans though:)).[/quote]



Now that we have gotten that cleared up. Who cares what Eli got? It's more money against their cap number. I wish that they would have given him even more now that I think about it.

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Sorry if this is in the thread at an earlier post (I only read a few pages), how does everyone think this will impact JC's contract talks if he has a good year & we get to the playoffs?

I don't see JC getting as much, but I think JC is about on par w/Manning at this point but has more upside due to his running ability.

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[quote=Angry;573516]Now that we have gotten that cleared up. Who cares what Eli got?[B] It's more money against their cap number. I wish that they would have given him even more now that I think about it.[/B][/quote]

Oh no doubt. I'm glad they're overpaying him. He's just not worth it, that's all.

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[quote=GMScud;573522]Oh no doubt. I'm glad they're overpaying him. He's just not worth it, that's all.[/quote]

LOL........I was thinking the same thing when you guys signed Haynsworth.:food-smil

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[quote=FRPLG;573426]Thank you. The SB is so thin.[/quote]


Seems though that to some, the losses are far more often his fault and the wins are somebody else's credit. Can't really have it both ways. So if Rivers gets the same money,then what should Campbell get?

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[quote=Giantone;573591]LOL........I was thinking the same thing when you guys signed Haynsworth.:food-smil[/quote]
Yea but when our 100 million dollar man takes out your 97.5 million dollar man it will have been worth every pennny.

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[quote=firstdown;573597]Yea but when our 100 million dollar man takes out your 97.5 million dollar man it will have been worth every pennny.[/quote]

:woot: Absolutely. Haynesworth has been the best at his position the last 2 years and will have an immediate impact. He's earned it and will continue to do so. Throwing money at Eli doesn't make him any better. But really I couldn't care less what the Giants do with their money. Good move. Congratulations. :laughing2

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[quote=53Fan;573602]:woot: Absolutely. Haynesworth has been the best at his position the last 2 years and will have an immediate impact. He's earned it and will continue to do so. . :laughing2[/quote]

LOL...we agree to disagaree.:smashfrea

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[quote=firstdown;573597]Yea but when our 100 million dollar man takes out your 97.5 million dollar man it will have been worth every pennny.[/quote]

Well if he takes him out ,I hope he picks a good resturant, Old Ebbit Grill maybe!:food-smil

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[quote=Giantone;573609]Well if he takes him out ,I hope he picks a good resturant, Old Ebbit Grill maybe!:food-smil[/quote]

:laughing- You're a funny dude Giantone. It's a shame you're a Giants fan. We all have character defects I guess. If you ever want to leave the darkside, you're welcome here. :food-smil

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[quote=53Fan;573612]:laughing- You're a funny dude Giantone. It's a shame you're a Giants fan. We all have character defects I guess. If you ever want to leave the darkside, you're welcome here. :food-smil[/quote]


"Character defects"........lol,you and my wife need to talk,if you think this is a defect ya ain't seen nothing!:lol:

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Question?...Does anyone think that Eli is even a top 50 player in the league? Yet he is paid like the top dog! His jacked up contract is only gonna hurt us when JC out performs his ass this year and gets a big contract.

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[quote=Giantone;573591]LOL........I was thinking the same thing when you guys signed Haynsworth.:food-smil[/quote]

At least Haynesworth is without question the best player in the league at his position. Can't say that about Eli. Not even close really.

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[quote=mrreddman;573641]Question?...Does anyone think that Eli is even a top 50 player in the league? Yet he is paid like the top dog! His jacked up contract is only gonna hurt us when JC out performs his ass this year and gets a big contract.[/quote]


Uh... Eli is a pretty good quarterback. Look at the Giants record since he has been there.

I may be going out on a limb here, but I have an inkling the last thing that Daniel Snyder will do is give Campbell a hundred million dollar contract.

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I think calling Eli a clutch quarterback is kinda simplifying the entire picture, in the sense that while Eli has been clutch in the past, mostly in regular season games, as well as in points of the '07 postseason including the Super Bowl, he's also had his share of bad performances as well.

I wouldn't say that Eli is a bad quarterback either. His career stats aren't that great but we all know they don't tell the whole story. Eli has led them to wins in games where they were behind, so he is clutch to a certain degree. But I'm not gonna call him clutch in the postseason considering every year besides '07 he has contributed to the Giants being one and done in the postseason. It's just in '07 he was good enough and he was a decent contributor to their Super Bowl run. You can't count him out simply because he was the guy that led them down the field when they absolutely had to score, and you can't also say the guy has been clutch every time they've needed him to be either. So basically he's a middle of the ground quarterback who's had his high moments and his low moments.

The only reason he got paid like an elite quarterback is the fact that his highest moment came at the right time on the biggest stage of the NFL. I'm sure that any other quarterback who did that and has had several clutch moments (mostly regular season though) would be getting paid like he did as well.

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[quote=GMScud;573646]At least Haynesworth is without question the best player in the league at his position. Can't say that about Eli. Not even close really.[/quote]

yeahhhh righttttt, Eli has started 72 games straight.Oh all of Alberts seasons how many times has he played a whole 16(straight) games,and the quote "he is the best at his position" ...well maybe he was the best avaliable at the time ,I agree with that.
1. Kevin Williams - Minnesota Vikings

94 games started, 42.5 sacks, 4 INTs, 5 forced fumbles, 4 TDs, 223 tackles, *4-time Pro Bowler and All-Pro

Kevin Williams is without question the very best defensive tackle in the entire NFL.
....and has only mised 2 games in his whole career.

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[quote=Giantone;573683]yeahhhh righttttt, Eli has started 72 games straight.Oh all of Alberts seasons how many times has he played a whole 16(straight) games,and the quote "he is the best at his position" ...well maybe he was the best avaliable at the time ,I agree with that.
1. Kevin Williams - Minnesota Vikings

94 games started, 42.5 sacks, 4 INTs, 5 forced fumbles, 4 TDs, 223 tackles, *4-time Pro Bowler and All-Pro

Kevin Williams is without question the very best defensive tackle in the entire NFL.
....and has only mised 2 games in his whole career.[/quote]Kevin Williams has a decent claim at best DT in the league, but given that from 2005-2007 that he was the second best DT [I]on his own team[/I], I'm inclined to believe that Haynesworth is the more dominant of the two.

I think Kevin passed Pat last year as best 'Williams' on the Vikings, but I think most would agree that Haynesworth is more dominant, if a little less durable.

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[quote=GTripp0012;573684]Kevin Williams has a decent claim at best DT in the league, but given that from 2005-2007 that he was the second best DT [I]on his own team[/I], I'm inclined to believe that Haynesworth is the more dominant of the two.

I think Kevin passed Pat last year as best 'Williams' on the Vikings, but I think most would agree that Haynesworth is more dominant, if a little less durable.[/quote]

Thank you. Having Giants fans on a Redskins board is funny enough. Having Giants fans with such limited football knowledge is even funnier.;)

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We should not forget that Eli's contract is a long one and wages go up every year. By the end of the deal Eli likely will not be close to being the best-paid qb because other contracts will have surpassed his by then.

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[quote=Lotus;573709]We should not forget that Eli's contract is a long one and wages go up every year. By the end of the deal Eli likely will not be close to being the best-paid qb because other contracts will have surpassed his by then.[/quote]

Without a doubt,and I will bet there will be a Redskin QB who is one of them>:food-smil