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not a fan of colt mccoy...i really hope we don't draft him

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we need to take the best player on the board. with a pick this high we simply can't draft for need. if that pick happens to be berry then we should take him. if it's the guy from ok state then take him. if it's bradford then take him. best player end of discussion. but if it is bradford then we had better start him right away.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;653056]1st - Sam Bradford - QB - Oklahoma - Campbell might be the starter next year but team needs a guy that can be a franchise player in the future. I think that under Shannahan Bradford can easily be that guy. I think his NFL equivelant in terms of talent will be Phillip Rivers.

2nd - Charles Brown - OT - USC - Former Tight End converted to Tackle. Great footwork and seems born to play in a zone blocking scheme. Unlike Heyer Brown knows how to bend his knees. A steal in the second round. In reading his scouting report I believe he might be a better fit then Okung.

4th - Sergio Rendar - OG - VT - While not tailor made for a zone blocking scheme the fact of the matter is he does have the desirable attributes.[/quote]

Although I think we should go OT with the first 2 picks, unless Suh or Berry fall to us, I wouldn't be too upset with this.

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[quote=The Goat;652722]Admittedly I'm not much of a college ball fan, but from the bits I saw there isn't much to be excited about at the QB position. Clausen actually reminds me a bit of JC...looks very strong most of the time but struggles under pressure situations. He's the only prospect I hear positive things about from nearly every corner.

I won't be surprised if Shanny looks to develop a guy who's not a rookie. I mean it seems little narrow to assume his focus on QB is limited to college prospects.[/quote]
Good point.. whoever the next guy is wouldn't be the only guy Shanahan has taken and made better.. though they were already on the team when he did so. He may think he can do something with Leinart, Quinn, or something.

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[quote=wilsowilso;652799]I say McCoy is going to be a second day pick.[/quote]I agree; though the 2nd day this year is the 2nd and 3rd, the 1st gets its own night. 4-7 will be on the 3rd day (Saturday).

I guess it gives teams a bit more time to negotiate trades between rounds and whatnot.

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[quote=12thMan;652802]Like I said, stranger things have happened.

By the way, how serious is his injury. Talk about a fragile dude. I was just dumbfounded how he got hurt after watching the hit several times.


EDIT: Looks like Colt has a pinched nerve, so that's not the end of the world.[/quote]

Yeah based on the hit he took and him mentioning lack of feeling I was wondering if that's all that it was going to be.

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What makes everyone think that Colt McCoy and Bradford would be any better then Campbell or Brennan? Neither of these guys seem all that great of QB's to me that we should use our first round draft pick on them. We need offensive line and a great receiver. I honestly think the year we get rid of Campbell he will make the playoffs with another team.

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[quote=TheMark;653170]What makes everyone think that Colt McCoy and Bradford would be any better then Campbell or Brennan? Neither of these guys seem all that great of QB's to me that we should use our first round draft pick on them. We need offensive line and a great receiver.[B] I honestly think the year we get rid of Campbell he will make the playoffs with another team.[/B][/quote]

Maybe, but it's not like he's gonna be the reason they make it there.

Question: Which one of these QB's didn't lead the redskins to the playoffs?
A.Brunell
B.Campbell
C.Collins

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Aw, you can't be that black and white about it...

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[quote=Dirtbag359;653056]1st - Sam Bradford - QB - Oklahoma - Campbell might be the starter next year but team needs a guy that can be a franchise player in the future. I think that under Shannahan Bradford can easily be that guy. I think his NFL equivelant in terms of talent will be Phillip Rivers.

2nd - Charles Brown - OT - USC - Former Tight End converted to Tackle. Great footwork and seems born to play in a zone blocking scheme. Unlike Heyer Brown knows how to bend his knees. A steal in the second round. In reading his scouting report I believe he might be a better fit then Okung.

4th - Sergio Rendar - OG - VT - While not tailor made for a zone blocking scheme the fact of the matter is he does have the desirable attributes.[/quote]

Basically on the same page as you

[url]http://www.thewarpath.net/649973-post26.html[/url]

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[quote=TheMark;653170]What makes everyone think that Colt McCoy and Bradford would be any better then Campbell or Brennan? Neither of these guys seem all that great of QB's to me that we should use our first round draft pick on them. We need offensive line and a great receiver. I honestly think the year we get rid of Campbell he will make the playoffs with another team.[/quote]

What makes you so sure that a guy that you've never seen take an NFL snap will be a bust?

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My new dream draft day is VERY Active. San Francisco trades up and gives us their 2 first rounders for our number 4 to get Eric Berry. We pick up Bruce Campbell OT Maryland and with the 13th pick take Mike Iupati Gaurd Idaho with the 17th. In the second round we take Colt McCoy. and in the fourth we take LeGarrette Blount RB Oregon. Hopefully his character issues causes him to fall that far or maybe trade up to get him.

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I like the scenario, but with 13th pick I take CJ Spiller, and like Dirtbag359 I like Sergio Render in the 4th..

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[quote=Eknox;653272]I like the scenario, but with 13th pick I take CJ Spiller, and like Dirtbag359 I like Sergio Render in the 4th..[/quote]

Well Shanahan doesn't pick first round RBs...it looks like it is either going to be a QB or an offensive lineman. I hope that we take a lineman and honestly I feel like this is a win-win scenario (provided the right lineman is there at #4), here's the method to my madness:

- We need a franchise tackle, and you typically find that in the 1st round (Jake Long, Ryan Clady, Jordan Gross, Joe Thomas, D'Bricksaw Ferguson, etc., etc.). A Russell Okung will be able to start right away.

- I know that this is not the best reason, but by picking a tackle (instead of the sexy pick of a QB), Shanahan and Allen can take a huge step in burying the notion that Snyder is meddling into the operations of the team.

- Shanahan's last first round pick? Ryan Clady.

- By building the offensive line and getting a better running game, Shanahan can make Campbell successful.

- If Campbell is not successful, then he can draft a first-round QB in 2011. The difference between drafting a QB in 2010 vs. 2011, is that a 2011 rookie QB will come into an established line and running game (see Mark Sanchez) and could be successful right away.

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[B] Question for everyone.[/B]
What if we pick up Marcus McNeill in FA. What do we do with the 4th pick then? (Assuming that we don't trade down). Do we still go with Okung if available or do we pick up Bradford. I would go with Okung to immediately improve our oline. Then go with Spiller in the 2nd or J. Dwyer. What do you guys think?

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After reading his scouting report and the analysis of other people here, i don't think there's any way we take okung. He just doesn't fit Shanahan's zone blocking system. However, i do think there is a strong possibility that both Okung and Bradford are still on the board when we pick - which greatly increases the likelyhood that another team will want to trade up to our slot.

There appear to be a plethora of good (but not great) zone-blocking linemen in the draft, so if we can trade down and get more picks in rounds 1-3, we should be in excellent position. I like dhs2982's suggestion of trading with san francisco. I would LOVE to work out something with new england. while they generally arent one to trade UP in the draft, if memory serves me they have about 4 or 5 2nd round picks in the draft... so they definitely have the ammunition should they want to trade up for an elite defensive player.

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For anyone calling for RBs, if Shanny stays the way he was with Denver, we won't be picking too many backs in the early rounds...

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[quote=tryfuhl;653244]What makes you so sure that a guy that you've never seen take an NFL snap will be a bust?[/quote]
What makes you think a guy that you've never seen take an NFL snap will be any good?

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[quote=diehardskin2982;653265]My new dream draft day is VERY Active. San Francisco trades up and gives us their 2 first rounders for our number 4 to get Eric Berry. We pick up Bruce Campbell OT Maryland and with the 13th pick take Mike Iupati Gaurd Idaho with the 17th. In the second round we take Colt McCoy. and in the fourth we take LeGarrette Blount RB Oregon. Hopefully his character issues causes him to fall that far or maybe trade up to get him.[/quote]

Not so sure, we'll get 2 first rounders for the 4th pick. Maybe a 1st rounder and either a second or third.

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Based off of the draft value chart its is 1800 (skins) vs. 2100 (49ers), the difference is 300 points or a late second round in the skins favor. Carolina traded their 1st to the 49ers for a second round pick in 2009. So it can definately happen... Who is to say, the 49ers may see Berry as the next Ed Reed or Ronnie Lott. Or they may want a new QB.

draft chart:
[url=http://www.sportznutz.com/nfl/draft/draft_point_value_chart.htm]NFL Draft Point Value Chart[/url]

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Just wanted to let you all know that Maurkice Pouncey the very good Center from Florida is declaring for the draft. He, I believe, is the number 1 center now in the draft.
[url=http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft10/news/story?id=4815630]Maurkice Pouncey of Florida Gators to enter NFL draft; source says Carlos Dunlap to enter draft, too - ESPN[/url]

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Who else runs zone blocking schemes? Who is our competition for zone blocking offensive linemen?

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^ The Texans and I also remember Atlanta did for a while, I dunno if they still run that type of offense.

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Most teams run some zone schemes at least part of the time.

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[quote=diehardskin2982;653265]My new dream draft day is VERY Active. San Francisco trades up and gives us their 2 first rounders for our number 4 to get Eric Berry. We pick up Bruce Campbell OT Maryland and with the 13th pick take Mike Iupati Gaurd Idaho with the 17th. In the second round we take Colt McCoy. and in the fourth we take LeGarrette Blount RB Oregon. Hopefully his character issues causes him to fall that far or maybe trade up to get him.[/quote]

I think it's more likely that SF trades one of their Round 1 picks for Donovan McNabb. He has one year left and they're high on Kolb for some reason. The idiot fans are once again asking for Donovan to be traded and we know Vick isn't the replacement. I think they'll shop him and his expiring contract around with teams like SF, Seattle, Cleveland to see if they get a bite while they can still get something in return. If not, he'll get one more year and likely will be benched for Kolb permanently sometime in 2010 at the first stumble.

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[quote=SOUL-SKINS;653299][B] Question for everyone.[/B]
What if we pick up Marcus McNeill in FA. What do we do with the 4th pick then? (Assuming that we don't trade down). Do we still go with Okung if available or do we pick up Bradford. I would go with Okung to immediately improve our oline. Then go with Spiller in the 2nd or J. Dwyer. What do you guys think?[/quote]

Spiller in the 2nd? Doubt he's close to around at that point.

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[quote=hail_2_da_skins;653303]What makes you think a guy that you've never seen take an NFL snap will be any good?[/quote]
I asked first. To say that someone you've never seen play in the NFL won't be as good as someone that we've evaluated for years is kind of ignorant.

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This is no surprise, McClain will enter draft. This guy will be a future franchise cornerstone for somebody a la Ray Lewis.

[url=http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft10/news/story?id=4816604]Alabama Crimson Tide star Rolando McClain opts to enter NFL draft - ESPN[/url]

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[quote=SOUL-SKINS;653299][B] Question for everyone.[/B]
What if we pick up Marcus McNeill in FA. What do we do with the 4th pick then? (Assuming that we don't trade down). Do we still go with Okung if available or do we pick up Bradford. I would go with Okung to immediately improve our oline. Then go with Spiller in the 2nd or J. Dwyer. What do you guys think?[/quote]

Won't happen
A) McNeil will be an RFA
B) If he isn't, he'll be franchised
C) Spiller is DEFINITLEY not a second round pick
D) I think we go with Okung or Bradford with the first pick. Keep in mind Shanahan got Cutler then Clady, not Clady then Cutler.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;653437]Won't happen
A) McNeil will be an RFA
B) If he isn't, he'll be franchised
C) Spiller is DEFINITLEY not a second round pick
D) [B]I think we go with Okung or Bradford with the first pick. Keep in mind Shanahan got Cutler then Clady, not Clady then Cutler.[/B][/quote]

Shanahan had a pretty well established offensive line when he got Cutler in 2006. They team was top 15 in fewest sacked allowed, and top 10 rushing.

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[B][url=http://www.dcprosportsreport.com/articles/washington-redskins/clausen-leads-at-the-4th-spot-in-draft.html]Clausen leads at the 4th spot in Draft[/url][/B]

Clausen takes over the lead as Redskins pick.

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[quote=Buster;653418]I think it's more likely that SF trades one of their Round 1 picks for Donovan McNabb. He has one year left and they're high on Kolb for some reason. The idiot fans are once again asking for Donovan to be traded and we know Vick isn't the replacement. I think they'll shop him and his expiring contract around with teams like SF, Seattle, Cleveland to see if they get a bite while they can still get something in return. If not, he'll get one more year and likely will be benched for Kolb permanently sometime in 2010 at the first stumble.[/quote]

[url=http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4816179]Andy Reid: Donovan McNabb will return next season as Philadelphia Eagles quarterback - ESPN[/url]
This is all lies I guess...

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[quote=CultBrennan59;653437]Won't happen
A) McNeil will be an RFA
B) If he isn't, he'll be franchised
C) Spiller is DEFINITLEY not a second round pick
D) I think we go with Okung or Bradford with the first pick. Keep in mind [B]Shanahan got Cutler then Clady, not Clady then Cutler[/B].[/quote]

I don't think that was based on position. Cutler was his guy & likely 1st priority so he got in position to draft him. I would think the same would apply to this draft. If he likes a guy a lot he'll take him at #4.

It would make sense to me to draft the qb first (if you believe you need one) as they'll typically take longer than an o linemen to develop & start.

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Rolando McClain has officially entered the draft as well as Johnathan Dwyer(RB), Morgan Burnett (S) and Derrick Morgan (DE)of Georgia Tech
[url=http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/football/ncaa/01/11/mcclain-alabama.ap/index.html?eref=sihp]Alabama LB Rolando McClain declares for NFL draft - NCAA Football - SI.com[/url]

[url=http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/football/ncaa/01/11/georgia-tech.ap/index.html]Georgia Tech's Derrick Morgan, Jonathan Dwyer turning pro - NCAA Football - SI.com[/url]

and heres the list of all Juniors who have declared for the draft

[url=http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/football/ncaa/01/06/early-entries/index.html]Underclassmen who have declared for 2010 NFL draft - NCAA Football - SI.com[/url]

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[quote=freddyg12;653461]I don't think that was based on position. Cutler was his guy & likely 1st priority so he got in position to draft him. I would think the same would apply to this draft. If he likes a guy a lot he'll take him at #4.

It would make sense to me to draft the qb first (if you believe you need one) as they'll typically take longer than an o linemen to develop & start.[/quote]

If Shanahan REALLY likes any of the QBs who are worth the #4 overall pick, then he should just take a QB there. There certainly aren't any tackles worth taking (okung doesn't really fit shanahan's system) at the spot. Trading down would be nice, though. Shanahan reportedly likes Tebow, and he's not worth taking anywhere near the top of the 1st round, although I think he is drafted in the first round. Ideally, iShanahan beleives he can work magic with Campbell and we can trade down in the draft and get two 1sts or a 1st and a second and draft 3 offensive linemen with our 1st 3 picks.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;653470]If Shanahan REALLY likes any of the QBs who are worth the #4 overall pick, then he should just take a QB there. There certainly aren't any tackles worth taking (okung doesn't really fit shanahan's system) at the spot. Trading down would be nice, though. Shanahan reportedly likes Tebow, and he's not worth taking anywhere near the top of the 1st round, although I think he is drafted in the first round. Ideally, iShanahan beleives he can work magic with Campbell and we can trade down in the draft and get two 1sts or a 1st and a second and draft 3 offensive linemen with our 1st 3 picks.[/quote]

WOOAAAHHh!! Were did you hear that Shanahan likes tebow, cause I sure didn't hear that, and me being a florida fan, I wouldn't want tebow here.

Also you are completely wrong about Okung. He is almost a mirror image of ryan clady who shanahan drafted in his last year in denver. Also okung is a great run blocker, pass blocker and very athletic.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;653470]If Shanahan REALLY likes any of the QBs who are worth the #4 overall pick, then he should just take a QB there. There certainly aren't any tackles worth taking (okung doesn't really fit shanahan's system) at the spot. Trading down would be nice, though. Shanahan reportedly likes Tebow, and he's not worth taking anywhere near the top of the 1st round, although I think he is drafted in the first round. [B]Ideally, iShanahan beleives he can work magic with Campbell and we can trade down in the draft and get two 1sts or a 1st and a second and draft 3 offensive linemen with our 1st 3 picks.[/B][/quote]

I think this is starting to look like the better option. And I think we have a FO competent enough to do this...the question is, will we have a trading partner?

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I think Seattle might try and trade up with the 2 picks they have in the first. Carroll is not gonna want washed up Hasselbeck, so they are my favorite to trade, or SF maybe, but they seem content with Alex Smith.

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Nate Davis is from my home town & I would like to see SF give him a chance next year.

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Don't forget the possibility that Carroll might trade for Leinart.