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[quote=Defensewins;700151]So you want the Redskins to build a roster based on attendance and being a good boyscout as opposed to skill and play on the field? Not me.
You talk about who you want in the foxhole with you. Look at who was the only ballsy Redskin that ran to DeAngelo Halls defense when NY Giants Beatty and Jacobs tried to jack up DeAngelo. AH. No other Redskins player on the field had the guts to defend their teammate. [URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w1JKgOJpohU"]YouTube - Giants fight[/URL][/quote]Slow down there....where did I mention anything about building a team of "boyscouts". There was 99% attendance, AH was the only one who missed. Did I say cut him, no. I just stated that he's a selfish, "me first" dude. Let's call him what he is, a very large physical presence that makes a positive difference on the DL for 67% of the snaps each year. He's a mercenary and a nuisance behavior wise. He is not committed to the team, only to himself. If he was committed to the team, he would've been at mini-camp.

On the vid, I saw it when it happened, and there were plenty of Skins there to defend Hall, although AH was the only one swinging wildly and getting flagged.

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Albert will be rolling on the field out of breath just one time under Shanahan and he'll be benched! As he should be! I hate it when the 'Skins make such stupid deals in signing free agents.

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The blew him up on the Jim Rome's show "ROME IS BURNING".

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I think ive come full circle on this whole haynesworth thing thats been bothering me.

He and his agent tried to fleece us for over 32 mil for 13 months then go on to another team and sign another big contract.

But he didnt get traded.

Its really quite beautiful. We only gotta pay his ass something like 3.2 mil this year and the next few years his contract is still in the 5-6 mil range.

So let him go on record saying hes working hard to get in shape, let his "making 3.2 million dollars a year" butt take off for involuntaries.

Shoot! that mofo is screwed. he bluffed, shanny and allen didnt take the bait.

it doesnt matter what he does, hes worth 3.2 mil and the headache.

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OTM-Didn't know Snyder was having lunch weekly with AH, just that he had an open door policy with him (as with all other players). I knew about the weekly lunches, didn't take that to be meddling per se though I thought it was kind of lame

But anyway, this isn't about DS

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And another thing, NFL sources saying they could see Haynesworth having no problem playing for the Vikings is NOT the same thing as Haynesworth telling close associates he want to play for the Vikings

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I am a Godzilla supporter but I have accepted him for what he is, a selfish player and bad teammate. He is what he is. So people can complain that he is worthless and out of shape and rolls on the field blah blah blah. The bottom line is he is the most talented player on the team and the Redskins are better when he is playing. Yes he was out of shape last year (although I have yet to see a 350 pounder who is in shape...) but he did exactly what he was brought here to do.

You cannot blame Albert for the current situation. Every warning sign was there and the idiots who were running the team when he was signed (Snyder and Vinny....most likely in that order) structured his contract where the team had zero leverage. So this situation is exactly what they asked for. You don't blame the lion when he eats the trainer. So it is useless to blame Albert for what the Redskins made him.

I hope he is working hard and destroys everything in sight next year. He is not a leader, he is a terrible teammate and he has been paid to do whatever the eff he wants. Oh well, if he single handedly stops the Giants and Cowboys on 4th and 1 plays consistently, I could care less what the jealous fans and reporters say about him.

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[quote=Mattyk;700214]So why do you seem to be siding more with the rumors?

[B]The truth probably lies in the middle somewhere.[/B][/quote]

Well, the truth is probably what Philip Daniels is saying in this article by Mike Wise, which is a great read IMO.

[URL="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/05/09/AR2010050903014.html"]washingtonpost.com[/URL]

I know you (and others here) have maintained that all these activities so far have been voluntary so it's really not a big deal, but literally everyone else on the roster is present except the team's highest paid player.

He makes more money than anyone on the team, yet he insists on being a perpetual malcontent with a shit work ethic and is content to just do the bare minimum as far as what the team requires from him. How many truly successful people in this world do you know that just do the bare minimum day in and day out? I don't know any. Sure he's got a contract fatter than his belly, but he could be SO MUCH MORE.

He sat out of practice repeatedly last season because he hates the D-line coach, and says it's for things like "my ankle is sore." All the while Daniels is out there at age 36 practicing with a torn biceps. Anyone who thinks Haynesworth is anything but a fat, lazy, entitled, me-first primadonna is living in la-la land.

And yet, despite no work ethic and not really caring about the team as a whole, he can still dominate when he's in the game. Imagine if he truly gave a damn? It's a shame really. I can't stand the dude.

I'll finish this post with a great quote from PD: "It says this is voluntary, but for us, what we went through last season after a 4-12 season, it's mandatory," Daniels said. "He should definitely be here. And it's a shame he's not."

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[quote=GMScud;700363]Well, the truth is probably what Philip Daniels is saying in this article by Mike Wise, which is a great read IMO.

[URL="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/05/09/AR2010050903014.html"]washingtonpost.com[/URL]

I know you (and others here) have maintained that all these activities so far have been voluntary so it's really not a big deal, but literally everyone else on the roster is present except the team's highest paid player.

He makes more money than anyone on the team, yet he insists on being a perpetual malcontent with a shit work ethic and is content to just do the bare minimum as far as what the team requires from him. How many truly successful people in this world do you know that just do the bare minimum day in and day out? I don't know any. Sure he's got a contract fatter than his belly, but he could be SO MUCH MORE.

He sat out of practice repeatedly last season because he hates the D-line coach, and says it's for things like "my ankle is sore." All the while Daniels is out there at age 36 practicing with a torn biceps. Anyone who thinks Haynesworth is anything but a fat, lazy, entitled, me-first primadonna is living in la-la land.

And yet, despite no work ethic and not really caring about the team as a whole, he can still dominate when he's in the game. Imagine if he truly gave a damn? It's a shame really. I can't stand the dude.

I'll finish this post with a great quote from PD: "It says this is voluntary, but for us, what we went through last season after a 4-12 season, it's mandatory," Daniels said. "He should definitely be here. And it's a shame he's not."[/quote]

Phil is one of my fave players.. and granted it was the year after a playoff season (after 2007) but let's not forget that Phil skipped offseason workouts to compete in powerlifting only 2 years ago.. barely playoff season, driven by the aftermath of ST's death, lead by Todd Collins

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[quote=tryfuhl;700364]Phil is one of my fave players.. and granted it was the year after a playoff season (after 2007) but let's not forget that Phil skipped offseason workouts to compete in powerlifting only 2 years ago.. barely playoff season, driven by the aftermath of ST's death, lead by Todd Collins[/quote]

Well, after re-reading my post, I did make it quite a bit about PD, whereas I really wanted the focus to be on AH's lack of focus. Anyway, regardless of PD, the facts remain about Ain'tworth.

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[quote=SmootSmack;700331]And another thing, NFL sources saying they could see Haynesworth having no problem playing for the Vikings is NOT the same thing as Haynesworth telling close associates he want to play for the Vikings[/quote]

I have no problem playing Center Fielder for the Yankees.

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[quote=GMScud;700367]Well, after re-reading my post, I did make it quite a bit about PD, whereas I really wanted the focus to be on AH's lack of focus. Anyway, regardless of PD, the facts remain about Ain'tworth.[/quote]
Yeah I knew that you meant it was more of a general consensus type deal, but thought that I'd expound.. and it was in a year where Phil was seen as possibly being cut, so I focused on that as relevant

I'm not sure that any of us know what his work ethic is.. and when a 210lb receiver and a 350lb DT have ankle issues for example, it may sideline one more than the other

AH still had more snaps than any other d-lineman I believe, at least DT

we've still got plenty of Portis apologists and he sat out of practice for whatever

for AH it's whatever he shows when he shows.. I highly doubt that it's going to be a lack of conditioning

like I've tried to state a million times, it's been reported that his offseason plans have been formed before our new regime was in place... this is a guy who came out and publicly said that despite his role in helping others achieve glory he didn't feel like he was earning his salary or his stats.. he said I'm getting paid 100m and don't feel like I'm showing my worth..

until I see him flop on those statements that he made after the season I'm not going to doubt or judge him

fact is we don't have another player of his status especially in relation to his weight, position, etc.. the guy may need special measures

to me him thinking that he needs to bust ass with one guy focused just on him is encouraging

I'll gladly eat crow if proven otherwise

AH working with his guy is like Tebow working with his you know ;)

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[quote=tryfuhl;700369]Yeah I knew that you meant it was more of a general consensus type deal, but thought that I'd expound.. and it was in a year where Phil was seen as possibly being cut, so I focused on that as relevant

I'm not sure that any of us know what his work ethic is.. and when a 210lb receiver and a 350lb DT have ankle issues for example, it may sideline one more than the other

AH still had more snaps than any other d-lineman I believe, at least DT

we've still got plenty of Portis apologists and he sat out of practice for whatever

for AH it's whatever he shows when he shows.. I highly doubt that it's going to be a lack of conditioning

like I've tried to state a million times, it's been reported that his offseason plans have been formed before our new regime was in place... this is a guy who came out and publicly said that despite his role in helping others achieve glory he didn't feel like he was earning his salary or his stats.. he said I'm getting paid 100m and don't feel like I'm showing my worth..

until I see him flop on those statements that he made after the season I'm not going to doubt or judge him

fact is we don't have another player of his status especially in relation to his weight, position, etc.. the guy may need special measures

to me him thinking that he needs to bust ass with one guy focused just on him is encouraging

I'll gladly eat crow if proven otherwise

AH working with his guy is like Tebow working with his you know ;)[/quote]

I get what you're saying, and if I was forced to make a positive statement about Haynesworth, it would probably look like your post here. I just can't stand the guy.

As far as the Tebow comment, I have no idea what you mean.

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[quote=GMScud;700371]I get what you're saying, and if I was forced to make a positive statement about Haynesworth, it would probably look like your post here. I just can't stand the guy.

As far as the Tebow comment, I have no idea what you mean.[/quote]
Tebow worked with a specialist to get ready for the draft.. aka his most important off-season appointment

AH is doing the same thing and with one that he's had proven productivity with

It's not that I'm saying AH is above the law, perfect and will own the NFL.. I'm just saying as of now there's nothing to call arms to

I'm curious as to what you can't stand about him though

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[quote=tryfuhl;700372]Tebow worked with a specialist to get ready for the draft.. aka his most important off-season appointment

AH is doing the same thing and with one that he's had proven productivity with
[B]
It's not that I'm saying AH is above the law, perfect and will own the NFL.. I'm just saying as of now there's nothing to call arms to[/B][/quote]

Well, he's the only player on the entire roster not participating, there were strong rumors he was/is trying to force a trade, he's been paid $30M+ for starting 12 games, he's unwilling to even practice thus far in a brand new defensive scheme, and players are calling him out for his me-first piss poor attitude. You need more to constitute a "call to arms?"

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as far as only player, yeah I get that.. I think that that was Landry last year.. AH made it publicly known his reasoning in advance though

as far as the trade.. who knows.. as far as the pay, not his fault.. as far as the scheme, there's really not a lot for him to learn that he can't learn from june-on I don't believe, and I'm still not seeing where this is a reason for him not showing

the biggest thing that I can focus on as far as a negative would be the initial report of him showing for the first voluntary and then the next day it came out that he wouldn't.. I don't recall word on who/where/what/why/how, etc the initial statement came out unless it was tied to him not wanting to be a distraction with the media access at the end of the session

the whole trade thing could be true.. I don't like it, but if he can manage that and a new contract then he's worked the system where a lot of guys get worked, maybe he got doubled up, but that's the risk we ran signing him to what we did I guess

I can't even remember who else is calling him out at this point

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To Pocket$ point, why are any of us really surprised that Haynesworth isn't attending these camps

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[quote=SmootSmack;700384]To Pocket$ point, why are any of us really surprised that Haynesworth isn't attending these camps[/quote]

I just can't understand why he couldn't compromise just a little and attend the minicamps while continuing to work out on his own between minicamps. Honestly, I could understand that position on his part. That would seem to be reasonable and cooperative to me.

But by not bending at all under the cicumstances (a new coaching staff that is putting in a new defensive system, all of his teammates being there, the disappointing record of the team last season, etc.) he seems to me to be someone who is either just simply rebelling against authority or perhaps is trying to influence Mike Shanahan to trade him.

When I consider the strong personalities of the principle antagonists in this drama (Haynesworth and Shanahan) it's hard for me to imagine it ending with AH playing football for the Redskins. Trading Haynesworth would be the worst case scenario for me because I think that Albert is an exceptionally good football player who makes us a better team.

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[quote=Pocket$ $traight;700335]I am a Godzilla supporter but I have accepted him for what he is, a selfish player and bad teammate. He is what he is. So people can complain that he is worthless and out of shape and rolls on the field blah blah blah. The bottom line is he is the most talented player on the team and the Redskins are better when he is playing. Yes he was out of shape last year (although I have yet to see a 350 pounder who is in shape...) but he did exactly what he was brought here to do.

You cannot blame Albert for the current situation. Every warning sign was there and the idiots who were running the team when he was signed (Snyder and Vinny....most likely in that order) structured his contract where the team had zero leverage. So this situation is exactly what they asked for. You don't blame the lion when he eats the trainer. So it is useless to blame Albert for what the Redskins made him.

I hope he is working hard and destroys everything in sight next year. He is not a leader, he is a terrible teammate and he has been paid to do whatever the eff he wants. Oh well, if he single handedly stops the Giants and Cowboys on 4th and 1 plays consistently, I could care less what the jealous fans and reporters say about him.[/quote]

Amen!

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I think when AH does show up he going to become Daniels bitch.

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[quote=firstdown;700412]I think when AH does show up he going to become Daniels bitch.[/quote]

It might be the other way around, but what a circus it's going to be when he does show up. I can picture all the little idiots running around with their microphones and notepads looking for some lies to spread.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;700404]I just can't understand why he couldn't compromise just a little and attend the minicamps while continuing to work out on his own between minicamps. Honestly, I could understand that position on his part. That would seem to be reasonable and cooperative to me.

But by not bending at all under the cicumstances (a new coaching staff that is putting in a new defensive system, all of his teammates being there, the disappointing record of the team last season, etc.) he seems to me to be someone who is either just simply rebelling against authority or perhaps is trying to influence Mike Shanahan to trade him.

When I consider the strong personalities of the principle antagonists in this drama (Haynesworth and Shanahan) it's hard for me to imagine it ending with AH playing football for the Redskins. Trading Haynesworth would be the worst case scenario for me because I think that Albert is an exceptionally good football player who makes us a better team.[/quote]

In a way, it would look more peculiar if he said I'm totally committed to getting better and to do that I need to workout on my own, and have no distractions, and I'm totally focused on working out and getting better....but I can take a few days off to break my routine leading up to training camp

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Maybe he'll pull a Jamarcus Russell?
THAT should be fun........

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[quote=SmootSmack;700423]In a way, it would look more peculiar if he said I'm totally committed to getting better and to do that I need to workout on my own, and have no distractions, and I'm totally focused on working out and getting better....but I can take a few days off to break my routine leading up to training camp[/quote]

i'm not sure i understand your comment/tone. are you on AH's side and saying that his being a selfish lazy jerk is the right thing and justifying the thing's he's saying and doing?

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I'm saying it's not really that surprising and shouldn't be repeatedly overanalyzed for something it's not

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But what are you really saying? Hmmmm

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There's nothing I would like more than for Haynesworth to make a public statement enlightning people on the progress he's making on his own. How he feels about all the controversy that continues to swirl around him, and his plan of approach to the upcoming season.

The complete and absolute silence on his part has been less than reassuring, a word form him somewhere along to way could go a long way towards relieving some of the tension and anxiety that has become a daily distraction.

However, I have been encouraged by the way Shanahan continues to dismiss media questions regarding the Haynesworth situation. One can sense it's becoming taxing for him to be asked the same question every day, and he being forced to give the same answer EVERY DAY. His reaction is in the form of a question; When are you going to stop asking that same question?

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The issue is between AH and the team. No need for either party to issue statements regarding it.

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[quote=Mattyk;700467]The issue is between AH and the team. No need for either party to issue statements regarding it.[/quote]

He's not obligated, but there are a lot of fans that I've talked too ( here in this area anyway) that would like to hear a word from him in his defense. As much as this guy has been talked about his situation is known all over the world. It should be between him and the team, but unfortunately for everyone, that's not the way it has turned out.

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[quote=Mattyk;700467]The issue is between AH and the team. No need for either party to issue statements regarding it.[/quote]

True, but when you're the highest paid defensive player in league history and you're the only player absent all spring, well....

As Pocket$ and SS mentioned- I'm not in any way surprised he's absent, sadly. This is jerk we knew we were getting when we signed him. His introductory press conference was a bunch of crap. It kind of bums me out that our highest paid/probably most talented player is my least favorite Redskin.

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[quote=Longtimefan;700469]He's not obligated, but there are a lot of fans that I've talked too ( here in this area anyway) that would like to hear a word from him in his defense. As much as this guy has been talked about his situation is known all over the world. It should be between him and the team, but unfortunately for everyone, that's not the way it has turned out.[/quote]

Totally agree. I've been listening to the local sports stations here, and the sentiment here in D.C., besides disgust for Haynesworth, seems to be that at least he can clear the air a little bit, if not entirely.

I do think that if Haynesworth comes to camp in shape and gets after it, these feelings will subside and everybody will be looking towards the season opener vs. Dallas. Whether we like it or not, we need this dude in the lineup come opening night.

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[quote=12thMan;700482]Totally agree. I've been listening to the local sports stations here, and the sentiment here in D.C., besides disgust for Haynesworth, seems to be that at least he can clear the air a little bit, if not entirely.

I do think that if Haynesworth comes to camp in shape and gets after it, these feelings will subside and everybody will be looking towards the season opener vs. Dallas. [B]Whether we like it or not, we need this dude in the lineup come opening night[/B][B].[/B][/quote]

Your summation is probably as close to universal agreement as we're gonna get on this thread. I'd hate to go against Dallas without him.

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[quote=Mattyk;700467]The issue is between AH and the team. No need for either party to issue statements regarding it.[/quote]

when everyone else IS making an issue of it (and lets be honest, large portions of the fanbase and media ARE making a huge deal of it), I would think it would benefit Haynesworth's image tremendously if he made a statement. All he would have to do is say, "look, I love being a washington redskin. We've got a great coaching staff and am excited about accomplishing great things this year. These offseason activities are voluntary. I'm staying in Tennessee to spend time with my family. I'll be there for all mandatory activities. In the meantime, I'm getting myself in great shape so I can have my best season yet in 2010."


Instead, Haynesworth's public comments thusfar in the offseason have been lukewarm at best, and its obviously deliberate. Like Smoot said, we shouldnt be surprised by any of it. We knew what we were getting when we brought him here.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;700497]when everyone else IS making an issue of it (and lets be honest, large portions of the fanbase and media ARE making a huge deal of it), I would think it would benefit Haynesworth's image tremendously if he made a statement. All he would have to do is say, "look, I love being a washington redskin. We've got a great coaching staff and am excited about accomplishing great things this year. These offseason activities are voluntary. I'm staying in Tennessee to spend time with my family. I'll be there for all mandatory activities. In the meantime, I'm getting myself in great shape so I can have my best season yet in 2010."


Instead, Haynesworth's public comments thusfar in the offseason have been lukewarm at best, and its obviously deliberate. Like Smoot said, we shouldnt be surprised by any of it. We knew what we were getting when we brought him here.[/quote]

Let's be honest, I believe you have said multiple times how nothing AH or the FO say is worth anything. IF AH came out and said what you just asked for, MULTIPLE sources and commentators would speculate that he was trying to look good for any possible trade partners. Then we would be in this thread and several posters would take up that slogan and say that AH is cynically playing to the media so another team will take him.

Nothing he says or doesn't say is going to appeal to the part of the fan base that hates, or really dislikes, AH and his salary. What he has said, that he wants to be the best DT in the league, and if the team tells him to play NT he will, but he'd rather not, SHOULD be enough, if all people wanted was hearing the right words.

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My guess is that AH has not "cleared the air" because he doesn't give a flying fork about what you, I, or talking heads on NFLN think. Nor should he. We're the ones who are making mountains out of molehills.

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Well this link has been posted a few times before but...doesn't seem to be complaining much here about the coaches or the Skins

[url=http://www.backsportspage.com/beyond-the-athlete/2010/4/9/beyond-the-athlete-albert-haynesworth-part-ii.html]Beyond the Athlete: Albert Haynesworth Part II - Beyond The Athlete - Back Sports Page[/url]

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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;700499]I like your writing Rainy, but voluntary mod camp ended for me yesterday (thank you very much Dreamseatfan!), so it's time to re-inforce this rule

[url]http://www.thewarpath.net/redskins-l...-bloggers.html[/url] (Attention bloggers)

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I only have one question, if our Franchise Mod can come back in top form after not doing much of anything during the voluntary mod camp, why can't AH?

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[quote=SmootSmack;700505]Well this link has been posted a few times before but...doesn't seem to be complaining much here about the coaches or the Skins

[url=http://www.backsportspage.com/beyond-the-athlete/2010/4/9/beyond-the-athlete-albert-haynesworth-part-ii.html]Beyond the Athlete: Albert Haynesworth Part*II - Beyond The Athlete - Back Sports Page[/url][/quote]

:thumb: Sounds good to me.

Haslett's thoughts on the Redskins using the 3-4 4-3.

•Why Haslett thinks the 3-4 defense will benefit the Redskins: "Just the unknown of where you’re coming from, who’s blitzing, who’s not blitzing. You can just do so many things out of it that you can’t do out of a four-man line. Now, if you got great four-man line people, then you play that." He adds, "There’s no reason you can’t go 3-4, 4-3. I’ve played in both, coached in both, been successful in both. I think its just the type of players you have. I think the cornerstone of the team on defense is Brian Orakpo. He had 11 sacks last year, rushed 200 some times. In this defense, we’ll rush 600-700 times.""

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[quote=SmootSmack;700505]Well this link has been posted a few times before but...doesn't seem to be complaining much here about the coaches or the Skins

[url=http://www.backsportspage.com/beyond-the-athlete/2010/4/9/beyond-the-athlete-albert-haynesworth-part-ii.html]Beyond the Athlete: Albert Haynesworth Part*II - Beyond The Athlete - Back Sports Page[/url][/quote]

It was that article being discussed among several of the people that attend home games with me, and prompted me to post what I did a little while ago.

We'd like to see Albert refute some of the things being said that are not true. There's an old saying 'silence gives consent" if he never says anything, he leaves people with the impression that what they're saying is true.

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[quote=53Fan;700510] I think the cornerstone of the team on defense is Brian Orakpo. He had 11 sacks last year, rushed 200 some times. In this defense, we’ll rush 600-700 times.""[/quote]

so excited. so damn excited.