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[quote=saden1;726149]Brady, Manning, and Favre....who else is better than McNabb?[/quote]

Brees, Rodgers, Rivers first come to mind

then you can argue Schaub, Roethlisberger, Romo and little Manning

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[quote=tryfuhl;726156]Brees, Rodgers, Rivers first come to mind

then you can argue Schaub, Roethlisberger, Romo and little Manning[/quote]

Forgot about Drew Brees. Rodgers and Rivers aren't better...they're on par at best. Give them a few years and maybe we can say they are better.

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Too early to throw in Matt Ryan?

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[quote=saden1;726159]Forgot about Drew Breeze. Rodgers and Rivers aren't better...they're on par at best.[/quote]

Situationally you could make an argument for having any of them, I'm just saying who had the better performances across the season.

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I really don't see why they're going to IR-ing Kelly. He played all last year and he really didn't do shit. He was hurt his first year and now he's hurt again. For a big guy he isn't a red zone threat and he can't seperate. He reminds me of a poor man's Roy Williams which isn't very good. Kelly is a good kid and may work hard but he's just got too many things going against him.

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[quote=GMScud;726155]For 2010 I'd take Manning, Brady, Aaron Rogers, Tony Romo, Drew Brees, Philip Rivers, and probably Matt Schaub and Brett Favre over McNabb. I do think he's in the lower half of the top 10 in the league, which is still pretty darn good.[/quote]

With Warner's retirement, Roethlisberger's suspension, doubt about the Giants, Favre's uncertainty, he could easily slide in to say the 8 spot.

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[quote=saden1;726159]Forgot about Drew Breeze. Rodgers and Rivers aren't better...they're on par at best. Give them a few years and maybe we can say they are better.[/quote]If you value accuracy even in the slightest, it's hard to argue in favor of McNabb.

I can't think of one thing McNabb does better than Rivers. Throw deep? Nah.

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[quote=skinsfan69;726162]I really don't see why they're going to IR-ing Kelly. He played all last year and he really didn't do shit. He was hurt his first year and now he's hurt again. For a big guy he isn't a red zone threat and he can't seperate. He reminds me of a poor man's Roy Williams which isn't very good. Kelly is a good kid and may work hard but he's just got too many things going against him.[/quote]

We didn't really utilize him in the Red Zone the way that you'd expect. We seemed more content running swinging gates and running left.

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[quote=GMScud;726155]For 2010 I'd take Manning, Brady, Aaron Rogers, Tony Romo, Drew Brees, Philip Rivers, and probably Matt Schaub and Brett Favre over McNabb. I do think he's in the lower half of the top 10 in the league, which is still pretty darn good.[/quote]

I'm not taking Matt Schaub over McNabb. Sorry but the guy's only done it for one year and is as soft as butter. And I'm not even sure about Romo or Rivers. I'd say right now they're probably even but McNabb has done more with less so you could easily argue that McNabb is better than both of them.

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[quote=GTripp0012;726164]If you value accuracy even in the slightest, it's hard to argue in favor of McNabb.

I can't think of one thing McNabb does better than Rivers. Throw deep? Nah.[/quote]

they're both very good deep throwers. they're just different types of qb's but both are very good.

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[quote=tryfuhl;726163]With Warner's retirement, Roethlisberger's suspension, doubt about the Giants, Favre's uncertainty, he could easily slide in to say the 8 spot.[/quote]Yeah, I can see #8 this year. I can kinda see the McNabb side of Eli vs. McNabb, but based on recent history (just the last two years) Eli has been a little bit above McNabb in terms of production.

It's just two years though, so I can see the system change propeling McNabb back to second in the division. It's a small leap of faith, but justifiable for a Redskins fan.

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[quote=GTripp0012;726164]If you value accuracy even in the slightest, it's hard to argue in favor of McNabb.

I can't think of one thing McNabb does better than Rivers. Throw deep? Nah.[/quote]

Scramble

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[quote=GTripp0012;726066]Like him on special teams as much as the next guy, but it's not good when a really on the bubble guy can't even get on the field.[/quote]maybe he wasn't on the field because the coaching staff knows he's on the team and they need to evaluate the other WRs.

[quote]With that said, every spot is open after Moss and Armstrong. Still skeptical that Galloway or Wade or Roydell Williams have a chance to make it, but this team does have more invested in both Banks and Austin than Thomas. I think that's a really bad sign for Thomas, especially now that we know Kelly is going to open next offseason with the team.[/quote]Moss, Galloway and Thomas are locks. Armstrong has played his way on the team. With Kelly on IR, it's probably going to be Roydell and Austin if they go with 6 WR. Thursday night is huge for those two guys.

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[quote=skinsfan69;726167]they're both very good deep throwers. they're just different types of qb's but both are very good.[/quote]Very good almost undersells Rivers' deep accuracy. McNabb still misses a lot in the deep field, but he ranks [U]a lot[/U] higher in those stats than in the intermediate and short field breakdowns. I think he's a top five deep ball thrower, if possibly just fourth or fifth best.

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LOLOLOLOLOL....Romo, Farve? Farve isnt gonna last this year. Flacco, Matty Ice Id consider over them. Sorry no way Id take any of those over McNabb. Brees, Manning, Rodgers, Schaub, and Brady, Rivers for sure at this point.

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[quote=tryfuhl;726170]Scramble[/quote]Maybe? Neither strikes me as much of an open field threat at this point.

Rivers almost never crosses the line of scrimmage with the ball, and when McNabb does, it's usually for just a yard or three.

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[quote=GTripp0012;726176]Maybe? Neither strikes me as much of an open field threat at this point.

Rivers almost never crosses the line of scrimmage with the ball, and when McNabb does, it's usually for just a yard or three.[/quote]

Oh, I wasn't really referring to actually taking off. I meant keeping his cool and moving around in the backfield. Rivers looks lost when under pressure, McNabb looks like he's seen it for a decade.

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[quote=tryfuhl;726179]Oh, I wasn't really referring to actually taking off. I meant keeping his cool and moving around in the backfield. Rivers looks lost when under pressure, McNabb looks like he's seen it for a decade.[/quote]Rivers is pretty much unflappable in the pocket. Out of the pocket, I feel like they are the same player. Rivers keep his eyes downfield, but no question he's less accurate when moving his feet.

McNabb is just fine throwing on the run, arguably better, even. But I might take Rivers' limited accuracy on the run over McNabb's on the run, all things considered. It's close. I don't know.

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[quote=mredskins;726012]Are we your bitches????


Here you go, find it yourself:


[url=http://www.pro-football-reference.com/?__utma=1.1236937843.1283277920.1283277920.1283277920.1&__utmb=165250732.2.9.1283277920187&__utmc=165250732&__utmx=-&__utmz=1.1283277920.1.1.utmcsr=%28direct%29|utmccn=%28direct%29|utmcmd=%28none%29&__utmv=-&__utmk=211259797]Pro-Football-Reference.com - Pro Football Statistics and History[/url][/quote]

Sorry i was busy working, and then your mom came by so i had to work on that for a while. And she's as useless as Kelly and Thomas. :food-smil all in good fun.

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[quote=GTripp0012;726168]Yeah, I can see #8 this year. I can kinda see the McNabb side of Eli vs. McNabb, but based on recent history (just the last two years) Eli has been a little bit above McNabb in terms of production.

It's just two years though, so I can see the system change propeling McNabb back to second in the division. It's a small leap of faith, but justifiable for a Redskins fan.[/quote]

No doubt.. and John Clayton might agree with us

[url=http://espn.go.com/blog/nfceast/post/_/id/17602/ranking-the-beast-quarterbacks]Ranking the Beast quarterbacks - NFC East Blog - ESPN[/url]

[quote]9. Donovan McNabb, Washington Redskins

Clayton's analysis: Mike Shanahan offers McNabb play-action options he didn't have with the Eagles' pass-heavy offense. With McNabb at the helm, the Redskins could be one of the surprise teams in the NFC.

Arrow is pointing: Spinning as he adjusts to a new offense

Mosley's take: I have immense respect for McNabb's fine work, but he probably wouldn't make my "elite" list. This is something that McNabb will undoubtedly use as motivation in 2010. [/quote]

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[quote=skinsfan69;726162]I really don't see why they're going to IR-ing Kelly. He played all last year and he really didn't do shit. He was hurt his first year and now he's hurt again. For a big guy he isn't a red zone threat and he can't seperate. He reminds me of a poor man's Roy Williams which isn't very good. Kelly is a good kid and may work hard but he's just got too many things going against him.[/quote]

Apparently, his hammy strain was misdiagnosed as a Grade 1 strain when it was a grade 2 strain and I think they still want to keep him for evaluation next year.

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[quote=wilsowilso;726064]Devin Thomas is terrible at returning kicks. Why do people think he is in line for that job?

I do think his blocking on the punt return team is what stands out most favorably.[/quote]

I agree, he is below average at returning kicks.
He is big, but I would NOT call him physical by any stretch.
What I am noticing his main problem as WR running routes is he can not maintain a high speed when running square-in patterns. It might be his weak knees, but he is fine run a deep route or running in a straight line, but if he has to run a 90 degree corner in his route he has to slow down. Which might explain the whole not getting enough separation from DB issue.

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DT averaged about what Rock did in his last year.. 2 yards less than Rock in some of his other years.. and people were upset about getting rid of him

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Bottom line if Kelly and Thomas were not 2nd round picks they would have been gone by now. They are still on the team because of the investment of using high picks, not because of their stellar play or lack of it..

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[quote=Defensewins;726205]Bottom line if Kelly and Thomas were not 2nd round picks they would have been gone by now. They are still on the team because of the investment of using high picks, not because of their stellar play or lack of it..[/quote]

I don't think that Shanahan cares when they were drafted honestly. Thomas may not have shown greatness yet, but he's top 5 or 6 on the team.

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I agree 100% Tryful. He is top 5 as far as our current WRs go and he is useful in special teams as far as coverage and returning.

As far as Kelly goes there must be something that the team either likes about him or feels obligated to IR him. By doing this they are saying we still feel that in the future you may be an assest to this team.

It clears up the question as to what we are going to do with him that is for sure, and has the WRs in camp breathing a little easier.

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[quote=Defensewins;726205]Bottom line if Kelly and Thomas were not 2nd round picks they would have been gone by now. They are still on the team because of the investment of using high picks, not because of their stellar play or lack of it..[/quote]

Shanahan is the same guy who said “The worst thing people do is keep a draft pick just to keep a draft pick”.

Read more at the Washington Examiner: [url=http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/sports/blogs/redskins-confidential/Redskins-quick-hitters-83010-101826663.html#ixzz0yDo9507S]Redskins quick hitters 8/30/10 | Washington Examiner[/url]

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I doubt Shanahan could really care less about when these guys were drafted. Especially considering they weren't drafted on his watch. It's about talent, or our glaring lack thereof at the WR spot that keeps these guys around. If there was someone better waiting in the wings they would undoubtedly be gone.

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Stupid. So they misdiagnosed the severity of the pull, big deal, the guy is an injury waiting to happen. There is a lot of WR talent coming out next year and in 2012 I believe. Just draft another guy. Why keep beating a dead horse.

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[quote=saden1;726149]Brady, Manning, and Favre....who else is better than McNabb?[/quote]

Hey folks weren't we just talking about this very subject this morning.

[URL="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/preview10/columns/story?columnist=clayton_john&id=5489176"]From Peyton Manning to Jake Delhomme, ESPN's John Clayton ranks the NFL's starting QBs - ESPN[/URL]

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[quote=saden1;726149]Brady, Manning, and Favre....who else is better than McNabb?[/quote]

Jay Cutler is the smexiness. I would count Rapistberger too. He did significantly help a team with a shitty Oline actually win a Super Bowl.

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[quote=GusFrerotte;726237]Stupid. So they misdiagnosed the severity of the pull, big deal, the guy is an injury waiting to happen. There is a lot of WR talent coming out next year and in 2012 I believe. Just draft another guy. Why keep beating a dead horse.[/quote]

They didn't extend him Gus.

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[quote=tryfuhl;726270]They didn't extend him Gus.[/quote]

What do you mean, they didn't put him on IR?:Smoker:

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[quote=GusFrerotte;726303]What do you mean, they didn't put him on IR?:Smoker:[/quote]

Just saying it's not like he's wasting a roster spot.

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True, but I am talking about after this season. I know him on IR automatically takes him off the 53 man roster. I rather us go for a draftee Wr than him next season is what I am talking about. With our luck Malcolm will do great in the next preseason and have his knee blowout in game 1 or 2. Poor dude is cursed. I am for giving him a chance, but damn, talk about bad karma. With Santana getting up there, and Joey ready to retire, we need to draft some of these studs next 2 seasons. I would draft one and see if we can get another undrafted rook.

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Bringing him back next year doesn't hurt. I doubt he will be counted on for much, anything he does will be a bonus.

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I will hope he comes back gangbusters. Sort of weird they would go through all the trouble. It is like Taylor Jacobs, but not as bad. Kelly did see more action than Taylor.

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[quote=GusFrerotte;726312]True, but I am talking about after this season. I know him on IR automatically takes him off the 53 man roster. I rather us go for a draftee Wr than him next season is what I am talking about. With our luck Malcolm will do great in the next preseason and have his knee blowout in game 1 or 2. Poor dude is cursed. I am for giving him a chance, but damn, talk about bad karma. With Santana getting up there, and Joey ready to retire, we need to draft some of these studs next 2 seasons. I would draft one and see if we can get another undrafted rook.[/quote]

He, like anyone else, should get a shot to prove himself. He might not make it that long, hell we can cut him at any time. Him still being around doesn't keep us from making any move at the position.

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I doubt we are not going to draft a WR simply because Kelly is on IR. It's a simple decision to put him there, all it does is cost DS Kelly's base pay this year. Then next year, MS/BA will draft one or more receiver's, and the best man wins. Don't get why his presence would affect draft strategy at all. (And I don't think Kelly got on MS' good side with this lingering injury, some of MS' comments sure sounded like Kelly just needed to suck it up and play through it.)