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Those of us that said this was not a good idea and to keep JC were right.Anyone could see it is the OL and getting a franchise QB was not the answer.Hopefully we can make a deal with someone like the Vikings so the Skins can fix the OL.

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I don't understand why they couldn't understand from watching McNabb's time in Philly that his play was declining. If they had just done their homework on him we wouldn't have wasted a 2nd and a 4th. For all of you saying we lost a 3rd, no it was a 4th because he didn't meet any incentives. He's not going to the Pro Bowl, the Skins aren't making the SB, so it's a 4th rounder. Not that it matters anyways because the Saints are getting our 3rd rounder because of the J.Brown trade.

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I am not quite sure how benching a Named QB, and starting possible replacements to see how they do, is doing the same thing over and over. The only good thing about all of these recent moves is that clearly no-one is above reproach (except Rabach and those dang pictures). Yeah, it doesn't do good for PR purposes, and we still make headlines in bad ways, but nothing about this says accepting the status quo or DS makes the calls, and both of those are good things

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Why not bench the whole offensive line for sucking all season. we suck and deserve all the criticism we get! We are a joke.

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[quote=freddyg12;769887]I read this in the wash posts' "DC Sports Bog" after the Detroit game. It's a very revealing read for those like me that have only watched Shanahan's career from afar until recently. Take a look, Shanahan has made pretty brash qb decisions over the years:

[url=http://voices.washingtonpost.com/dcsportsbog/2010/11/a_short_history_of_mike_shanah.html]D.C. Sports Bog - A short history of Mike Shanahan benching his quarterback[/url]

On a side note, this blog is becoming more newsworthy than Skins Insider. Steinberg's intent is humor, but in poking fun at things he actually does some research that brings things to light like this.[/quote]

good article i love the bog, found this part rather interesting

[quote]I made a mistake in not telling them more specifically why I was making the change," he said. "[B]I should have done a better job of telling everybody at that time why I was making the decision.You don't always do everything right. If I had to do it over again, that's what I would have done[/B]. I apologized to the team for not telling them why I made it....Obviously, any time there's speculation in radio, TV and the press, any time you have that type of controversy, it surely doesn't help the team."
[/quote]

this was inregards to benching one starting qb for another. guess it's safe to say the old man doesn't learn from his mistakes huh? i really hope i'm wrong but i just don't see this type of philosphy that shanahan is trying to implement working in todays nfl.

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[quote=BleedBurgundy;769883]All true, but spilled milk nonetheless. I just don't believe that Shanahan fully appreciated what a circle jerk, cluster **** of a franchise he was inheriting. Now that he has a grasp of the scope of this job, he's blowing it up and starting over. About 8 months after I would have liked to have seen it happen, but oh well.[/quote]

what are you talking about? shanahan didnt inherit mcnabb. he went out of his way to acquire mcnabb and gave up two high draft picks to do it. this isnt a situation he inherited. its a situation he created himself. thus far, shanahan's took a franchise that was already dead and has made it even worse.

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I guess Shanny thinks Rex know the Cowboys better than DM. Who gives us the better chance to win? Just a thought...

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;769901]what are you talking about? shanahan didnt inherit mcnabb. he went out of his way to acquire mcnabb and gave up two high draft picks to do it. this isnt a situation he inherited. its a situation he created himself. thus far, shanahan's took a franchise that was already dead and has made it even worse.[/quote]

Excellent Post!

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[quote=mooby;769895]I don't understand why they couldn't understand from watching McNabb's time in Philly that his play was declining. If they had just done their homework on him we wouldn't have wasted a 2nd and a 4th. For all of you saying we lost a 3rd, no it was a 4th because he didn't meet any incentives. He's not going to the Pro Bowl, the Skins aren't making the SB, so it's a 4th rounder. Not that it matters anyways because the Saints are getting our 3rd rounder because of the J.Brown trade.[/quote]

^^^^^ THIS ^^^^^^^

McNabb wasnt the same guy anymore. Age and Injuries ravaged him. After McNabb was put on the trade block, any smart team would have realized that Donovan only had 1 or 2 years left AT MAX. Donovan would have been best served on a team where all the pieces were there, and he could be a stopgap QB for 1 or 2 seasons. No one should have ever considered him the "solution" or worse yet, the "savior".

He never had a chance for any real success here. We had no running game, no o-line, ho-hum receivers, and a below average defense. I feel sorry for Donovan, but he has had his day and in his day he was one of the top QB's in the NFL. I wish him luck for the future, i hope he has one more good season somewhere and then retires while he is still healthy...

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This is so funny on so many levels.

Shanny takes 12 weeks to cut Joey Galloway and then benches his QB for the final three games of the season.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;769896]I am not quite sure how benching a Named QB, and starting possible replacements to see how they do, is doing the same thing over and over. The only good thing about all of these recent moves is that clearly no-one is above reproach (except Rabach and those dang pictures). Yeah, it doesn't do good for PR purposes, and we still make headlines in bad ways, but nothing about this says accepting the status quo or DS makes the calls, and both of those are good things[/quote]

[url=http://voices.washingtonpost.com/dcsportsbog/2010/11/a_short_history_of_mike_shanah.html]D.C. Sports Bog - A short history of Mike Shanahan benching his quarterback[/url]

it seems like since elway he has been on a search for perfection at the qb position, the only thing is not everyone is a hall of fame qb and sometimes you have to make it work with a guy with less than perfect talents. at some point you have to use whats around you and make it work.

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[quote=12thMan;769905]This is so funny on so many levels.

Shanny takes 12 weeks to cut Joey Galloway and then benches his QB for the final three games of the season.[/quote]

Yea I've been a strong believer in Shanny but its starting to wear off

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;769901]what are you talking about? shanahan didnt inherit mcnabb. he went out of his way to acquire mcnabb and gave up two high draft picks to do it. this isnt a situation he inherited. its a situation he created himself. thus far, shanahan's took a franchise that was already dead and has made it even worse.[/quote]

I see your point, but for all we know Shanhan's marching orders from DS could've been;
1) see if you can make some moves to win now
2) build a team for the future

So, in shan's defense, either by his decision or by Snyder's, it sounds like getting McNabb was to make the playoffs & win now to some degree. Now that is over, so he's looking to the future. I appreciate the latter, I just don't think the timing is very smart. Wait till the offseason to make a decision like that. Shanahan has to maintain a good relationship w/the rest of the team, I think he just set himself back a lot in that regard.

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I question this move as much as anybody else. But McNabb was shot, there's no denying it. I dont know what Shanahan thought he was getting, but maybe its like FreddyG said. Maybe the Shanahans thought they could get 1 good year out him while all the other pieces fell into place, but the prob was, the pieces never fell.

mcnabb deal brilliant
 

now we have a tradeable commodity. 5th rounder better than no rounder.

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Our only hope is that some GM called & said,
"we'll take him off your hands in the offseason & get you back at least 1 of your picks, just promise not to play him so he doesn't get hurt!"

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[quote=skinsfaninok;769907]Yea I've been a strong believer in Shanny but its starting to wear off[/quote]


I am with you I want him to be successfully so we don't have to go through all this BS again of starting over and finding a new coach, etc...It is getting old and something needs to work.


If we lose MS either by him quitting or getting fired, we be lucky to get Jim Zorn back, that is how bad folks won't want to come here.

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the sky is officially falling with threads like this.

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this will be closed soon

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Sounds like Shanny WILL draft a QB this year, He said "maybe the next McNabb or Bradford" LOL Good luck. Id say Jake Locker will be a Redskin

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[quote=skinster;769910]now we have a tradeable commodity. 5th rounder better than no rounder.[/quote]


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Seriously did you really need to make a whole new thread? You couldn't have stated that OP in the on-going McNabb thread?

Re: mcnabb deal brilliant
 

I think both sides knew this contract would work for both parties.

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Benching McNabb killed whatever trade value that he had left.

The fact is, 2 coaches in the span of 8-9 months have essentially moved on from him. McNabb would be lucky to fetch a 6th round pick at this point. And at his age, he would be lucky to play 1 more full season without injury. DM5 isnt gonna be another Favre....

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When I worked for the Panthers years ago different teams had different reputations and you always liked working some teams more than others. You had the teams who had their acts together from management down i.e. the Steelers, Patriots, the teams who were average, and the dysfunctional teams (management on down) who garnered little respect across the board such as the Bengals. After years of dysfunction and piss poor management the Skins are one of those dysfunctional teams. We have gone to one of the most respected organizations to one of the greatest laughing stocks in the NFL.

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I think this could really backfire on Shanahan if Grossman is his usual self and/or the locker room is really divided. I can see a difficult offseason ahead. Maybe that's what MS is banking on; hit bottom now & prepare everyone for it. I question the timing of the move, hope he's got a plan.

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[quote=GMScud;769698]The locker room is divided and guys are upset? Awesome.

Man, WTF is Shanahan doing? This makes no sense whatsoever.

Trading for McNabb was just a total, epic fail. [B]So much for the Skins not being laughing stock anymore[/B].[/quote]We make "Crazy Al" Davis look rational, and his Raider look like a well-oiled machine. I am so hoping that Jason Campbell has a very productive career there. The Shanahans have set this franchise back at least 2 more years now that Donovan is good as gone.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;769901]what are you talking about? shanahan didnt inherit mcnabb. he went out of his way to acquire mcnabb and gave up two high draft picks to do it. this isnt a situation he inherited. its a situation he created himself. thus far, shanahan's took a franchise that was already dead and has made it even worse.[/quote]

I'm talking about the fact that Shanahan didn't realize the team was already ****ed, so he thought swapping for a marginal QB would actually make a difference. Upon seeing that we are far, far, far from contention, he obviously realized that having a veteran high profile QB that has only downside ahead doesn't make a lot of sense.

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There's definitely going to be a market for him. Just listening to NFL radio they were speculating that "several" teams will be interested in trading for him.

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[quote=Bigreds77;769894]Those of us that said this was not a good idea and to keep JC were right.Anyone could see it is the OL and getting a franchise QB was not the answer.Hopefully we can make a deal with someone like the Vikings so the Skins can fix the OL.[/quote]

Check the McNabb is a Redskin thread, I was as against McNabb as anyone. BUT, JC was done here, if the cost was a 2nd and a 4th for the attention to finally move forward, and get a HC and GM who have no allegiances and no axe to grind then it was just a necessary cost of business. McNabb is who everyone thought he was, and that's what it cost to get an offseason of stability at the qb spot. Yeah, next year we will do it all again, but the fact that we are so drained still falls mainly on the triumvirate of DS/VC/JZ. Now, if next year we don't have a solid option at qb, and a stronger OL/DL then we can start looking at MS and BA, but for now, this is what a stealth rebuilding team looks like.

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[quote=freddyg12;769908]I see your point, but for all we know Shanhan's marching orders from DS could've been;
1) see if you can make some moves to win now
2) build a team for the future

So, in shan's defense, either by his decision or by Snyder's, it sounds like getting McNabb was to make the playoffs & win now to some degree. Now that is over, so he's looking to the future. I appreciate the latter, I just don't think the timing is very smart. Wait till the offseason to make a decision like that. Shanahan has to maintain a good relationship w/the rest of the team, I think he just set himself back a lot in that regard.[/quote]

he would have looked at the last 3 years worth of film on mcnabb and known he wouldnt take this team to the playoffs.

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After thinking it over for a few hours I'm in the boat of hey why not?

McNabb clearly isn't the answer here for Shanahan, so why not evaluate the other guys?

I heard Kevin Sheehan make a good point and I'm paraphrasing here, doesn't matter if you're a bad guy like AH or a great guy like DM, if you're not getting it done Shanahan is going to move on, and he doesn't care who's feelings he hurts.

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[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/12/17/AR2010121704051.html]Sally Jenkins - Was Donovan McNabb the problem? Only one way to find out[/url]

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[quote=Mattyk;769931]After thinking it over for a few hours I'm in the boat of hey why not?

McNabb clearly isn't the answer here for Shanahan, so why not evaluate the other guys?

I heard Kevin Sheehan make a good point and I'm paraphrasing here, doesn't matter if you're a bad guy like AH or a great guy like DM, if you're not getting it done Shanahan is going to move on, and he doesn't care who's feelings he hurts.[/quote]

I love Sheehan...best radio guy in DC by far IMO.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;769929]he would have looked at the last 3 years worth of film on mcnabb and known he wouldnt take this team to the playoffs.[/quote]

I'm not necessarily arguing with you, but didn't McNabb take the Eagles to the playoffs 2 of those last 3yrs, including the Conference Championships one time?

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[quote=Mattyk;769931]After thinking it over for a few hours I'm in the boat of hey why not?

[B]McNabb clearly isn't the answer here for Shanahan, so why not evaluate the other guys?[/B]
[/quote]Agree. And benching him protects him from injury and puts less bad tape out there on him. Right now there's still some interest in McNabb based on your earlier post, if the decision has been made to go another direction, protect what investment we have left and evaluate Grossman.

We are a bad team with a lot of needs, are those needs filled better with winning short term and winding up with a 12-16th pick or evaluating our young, newer players and winding up with a 5-10 pick in each round. Add in maybe a 3rd rounder for McNabb and we can fill some needs and improve (hopefully) for 2011.

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This decision by Mike Shanahan is well-thought-out, difficult, and based on a reasonable premise, that we would be wasting three games with McNabb to finish out the year.

Which makes it the only good decision that Shanahan has made this year, re: McNabb. Obviously, this year was managed poorly enough to have more than enough evidence to suggest that Shanahan is simply not the right man to be coaching this team. I anxiously await the next two years that will be spent sticking with him as coach for reasons not nearly as clear as the ones for this QB change.

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[quote=Mattyk;769931]After thinking it over for a few hours I'm in the boat of hey why not?

McNabb clearly isn't the answer here for Shanahan, so why not evaluate the other guys?

I heard Kevin Sheehan make a good point and I'm paraphrasing here, doesn't matter if you're a bad guy like AH or a great guy like DM, if you're not getting it done Shanahan is going to move on, and he doesn't care who's feelings he hurts.[/quote]

i am in the same boat too, i don't think grossman starting(which is a joke) is the real issue. the real isssue is the horrific way all the teams issues have been dealt with. shanahan comes off more and more like a egotistical maniac with every move that he makes. i hope he pans out but this is very reminiscent of gibbs coming back and being out of touch with the game. i know shanahan was only out one year but after elway retired he never won another playoff game in one of the weakest divisions in the nfl, and was barely an above average coach.

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Not only do we need a young starting QB, We need a young talented HC. Redskins will go no where with Shanny. He's out of touch.

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[quote=mlmdub130;769938]i am in the same boat too, i don't think grossman starting(which is a joke) is the real issue. the real isssue is the horrific way all the teams issues have been dealt with. shanahan comes off more and more like a egotistical maniac with every move that he makes. i hope he pans out but this is very reminiscent of gibbs coming back and being out of touch with the game. i know shanahan was only out one year but after elway retired he never won another playoff game in one of the weakest divisions in the nfl, and was barely an above average coach.[/quote]

Good observations, things do seem really chaotic, but to try & be positive; it may take more chaos to right this ship (though Shan has to take blame for the trade). I think it's more of Shanahan still getting a grip on this organization & town, not the nfl itself.

This team hasn't had a disciplinarian like Shan since Marty in 01. The coaches since then were more players coaches/nice guys. DS opted not to hire GW who is an outspoken disciplinarian. So he may be an egomaniac, or it may seem so because this team has lacked that kind of authority figure for so long.

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[quote=44ever;769940]Not only do we need a young starting QB, We need a young talented HC. Redskins will go no where with Shanny. He's out of touch.[/quote]

With that crappy avatar you chose, it's making it hard to read your posts with a clear head. Benching McNabb is making you switch your allegiances to a hated rival? :doh: