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And the rumor mill just keeps grinding along..........
My god this lockout suxxxorz.

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[quote=Dirtbag59;808207][url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/06/23/donovan-mcnabb-eagles-are-like-family/]Donovan McNabb: Eagles are like family | ProFootballTalk[/url][/quote]

Kenneth Gamble & Leon Huff...the philly soul sound. "Your body's here with me, but your mind is on the other side of town"/the mighty o'jays.

There's no better equation when trying to compare one year here in DC with 11 yrs. spent in a city with the team that drafted you. Bonds and friendships develop that can never be broken. To McNabb the Eagles are extended family regardless of how his tenure there ended.

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[quote=Dirtbag59;808207][url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/06/23/donovan-mcnabb-eagles-are-like-family/]Donovan McNabb: Eagles are like family | ProFootballTalk[/url][/quote]

This is a stupid article and it'd be a non-news story if the lockout had ended (for once McNabb would be gone from DC).

I don't get the desire for the media to create something out of nothing. Sure McNabb could have played better here, but he should have never been in here in the first place. This is the reason why I cannot hate the guy, I hate the fact that he was brought here through a trade that cost us picks. McNabb needs to go to a place where everything is in place, a similar situation to Favre's first year in Minny.

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Why would Minnesota want him though?

I mean...let's think about this here. If McNabb goes to Minnesota, he's going to want to start, and they're going to have to pay him starter money. He won't get the same huge contract he had here, but if he signs there, it's going to be sizable, and it's going to be a long term deal. It's going to be that or they won't get him. Period.

They just drafted Christian Ponder at number 12, and even though he's not a top ten pick, you still have to pay [i]him[/i] first round money. So at that point, you're going to have to sign two quarterbacks to big, multi-million dollar contracts.

Oh yeah, and you have to sign Sidney Rice back. That Vikings offense struggles when Rice wasn't there. As good as Adrian Peterson and Percy Harvin are, they benefitted greatly from having Sidney Rice out there to take some pressure off. Sidney wants elite receiver money. Multiple years, lots of money, or he's going to walk.

Also, there's Ray Edwards. Have to resign him.

Oh yeah, and they're about to spend $400 million dollars on a brand new stadium. And they're still going to be feeling the heat from paying Favre last year. And I'm pretty sure AP will become an unrestricted free agent next year if what we're hearing about the CBA next year is true.

That's a [i]whole[/i] lot of money that you have to spend, and if they don't spend it, then Minnesota may not be the team that "has all the pieces in place" to make a run. And I don't think, at this point, they should concerned with "making a run". Their team is getting older. They need to replenish some positions with younger guys.

In the face of all that, I'd just start the rookie, find a cheap, veteran back-up, and leaving the McNabb situation on the table.

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I think the Titans actually may make more sense to McNabb than Minny right now. Maybe Seattle...probably Arizona...although Arizona is in the Kolb Sweepstakes. I guess whoever loses out on Kolb may get McNabb. But Orton may also be available, so who knows. I just hope there is a market for McNabb and we can recoup something from this disaster of a trade.

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Funny thing is apparently right now the Titans and Vikings are polar opposites as far as QB's are concerned. Titans have embraced Locker and allowed him take on a leadership role. Ponder on the other hand has had a tough time getting veterans to show up for player OTA's. Not a good sign for Minnesota, a house cleaning might be in order seeing how some of their players refuse to believe that they're rebuilding or even reloading.

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[quote=Dirtbag59;808275]Funny thing is apparently right now the Titans and Vikings are polar opposites as far as QB's are concerned. Titans have embraced Locker and allowed him take on a leadership role. Ponder on the other hand has had a tough time getting veterans to show up for player OTA's. Not a good sign for Minnesota, a house cleaning might be in order seeing how some of their players refuse to believe that they're rebuilding or even reloading.[/quote]

Agreed, Minny needs to blow that team up and rebuild quickly so they don't waste AP in his prime years. They can't waste a season or two of just "patching things up" while AP gets older.

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While there are some who are not yet ready to drop a shovel of dirt on McNabb’s 12-year NFL career, it’s a possibility that we no longer may regard as shocking. McNabb, more likely than not will insist on being installed as the Day One starter with whatever team if/when he signs, plus he’ll want the kind of financial package that inherently will demonstrate that the Eagles were wrong to trade him and that the Redskins were wrong to dismiss him. At this point, we can’t think of a team that will do it — and we can’t envision McNabb accepting any lesser terms in order to continue playing.


Much can change between now and whenever the lockout ends. But those changes possibly will have to come as much from McNabb’s view of his current abilities as they will from the needs of the teams who are trying to decide what to do at quarterback in 2011.

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Seems a bit premature to blow things up in Minny. I think they'll look to add a veteran QB (perhaps #5) and take another shot at winning this thing.

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I also think it's premature to blow things up regarding McNabb here. We signed him to a multiyear deal, lets give him more than ONE year to get it.

Yes, he's a pro QB and should have been able to make the transition to any offense, even one that was 180 degrees different than the only pro offense he's ever run.

Yes, the coaches made some bad decisions and said some questionable things.

End of the day, they're all professionals who should be able to work together and they all have contracts to fulfill.

I honestly think McNabb after a year in the system with our offensive upgrades will be [U]much[/U] better in 2011...if given the chance.

McNabb starter, Beck backup. If Donovan tanks another season, THEN send him packing and draft a new QB, unless Beck emerges.

McNabb has always had accuracy issues throughout his career, BUT he can still throw a nice deep ball and our new WRs should be getting downfield a LOT. If you look at his stats, 2010 was an anomaly...he NEVER threw that many INTs before. Drom 2009 to 2010, he dropped from 22 TDs/10 INTs to 14 TDs/15 INTs. You don't fall that far from age in the span of 12 months...he had a horrible O-line, a revolving door at RB, 2 decent WRs and was slow to grasp the playbook. He should know it by now. Let him prove it.

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Funny thing is, I think a lot of players in Minnesota just aren't expecting Ponder to start.

I think a lot of players in Minny believe McNabb's going to be the starter anyway. It's been said enough. If McNabb called a bunch of those guys for "just a workout", I bet they'd all show up.

I think the one thing the Brett Favre thing did was fracture the leadership in the locker room. There's no leader on the offensive side of the ball that Ponder can call to try and help him organize.

I think the Vikes are going to be in a bad way regardless of if they bring in a veteran or not. The Chilly/Favre fiasco is going to start to hit them hard.

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[quote=Monkeydad;808293]I also think it's premature to blow things up regarding McNabb here. We signed him to a multiyear deal, lets give him more than ONE year to get it.

Yes, he's a pro QB and should have been able to make the transition to any offense, even one that was 180 degrees different than the only pro offense he's ever run.

Yes, the coaches made some bad decisions and said some questionable things.

End of the day, they're all professionals who should be able to work together and they all have contracts to fulfill.

I honestly think McNabb after a year in the system with our offensive upgrades will be [U]much[/U] better in 2011...if given the chance.

McNabb starter, Beck backup. If Donovan tanks another season, THEN send him packing and draft a new QB, unless Beck emerges.

McNabb has always had accuracy issues throughout his career, BUT he can still throw a nice deep ball and our new WRs should be getting downfield a LOT. If you look at his stats, 2010 was an anomaly...he NEVER threw that many INTs before. Drom 2009 to 2010, he dropped from 22 TDs/10 INTs to 14 TDs/15 INTs. You don't fall that far from age in the span of 12 months...he had a horrible O-line, a revolving door at RB, 2 decent WRs and was slow to grasp the playbook. He should know it by now. Let him prove it.[/quote]

The problem...dude has plenty of time to grasp the playbook. We traded for in in April of 2010. He went to every OTA, every minicamp, had training camp, had ample time to sit down with Kyle and get it down, had two preseason games and thirteen regular season games to learn the offense.

For comparison's sake, Sam Bradford was a rookie quarterback with no weapons outside of Steve Jackson, and an offensive line that was mediocre-to-average. Bradford, the rookie, ended up with a higher QB rating, more touchdowns, and a better completion percentage.

Jay Cutler had to learn a completely different system with only one Pro Bowl wide receiver and an relatively unproven running back and a bad offensive line and the Bears got to an NFC Championship game.

It's not about him knowing the plays. I'm betting he knows the plays. It's about executing them. That's where the problems came in. McNabb's fundamentals are such that the execution of the offense suffered. It's nice that McNabb can throw the ball 70 yards with a flick of the rist, but this ain't Air Coryell. It's not a vertical passing offense.

He just couldn't execute the plays as called on the field. When I go back and look at the games, I see it time and time again, where he drops back, and it seems like he's only reading half the field, or he's only reading his number one and his checkdown guy. His footwork wasn't good, he couldn't keep good time with his receivers.

And the attitude was the tipping point. The inability to take coaching. The dude said he felt like they wanted him to be a robot. No, they wanted him to run the plays as called the way they were designed. Coming onto the practice field late, not keeping a good tempo during practice or during the game.

Like I said, his best chance to start and have some prolonged success probably is to stay here, but he'd have to change his entire make-up and be way more open to the way Kyle wants things done. It's hard to meet a guy halfway when he seems resistant to what you want and need him to do.

Another year might just make the situation worse, especially if he keeps the contract he has now. Why prolong the agony if you feel like he can't be the guy?

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[quote=Monkeydad;808293]I also think it's premature to blow things up regarding McNabb here. We signed him to a multiyear deal, lets give him more than ONE year to get it.

Yes, he's a pro QB and should have been able to make the transition to any offense, even one that was 180 degrees different than the only pro offense he's ever run.

Yes, the coaches made some bad decisions and said some questionable things.

End of the day, they're all professionals who should be able to work together and they all have contracts to fulfill.

I honestly think McNabb after a year in the system with our offensive upgrades will be [U]much[/U] better in 2011...if given the chance.

McNabb starter, Beck backup. If Donovan tanks another season, THEN send him packing and draft a new QB, unless Beck emerges.

McNabb has always had accuracy issues throughout his career, BUT he can still throw a nice deep ball and our new WRs should be getting downfield a LOT. If you look at his stats, 2010 was an anomaly...he NEVER threw that many INTs before. Drom 2009 to 2010, he dropped from 22 TDs/10 INTs to 14 TDs/15 INTs. You don't fall that far from age in the span of 12 months...he had a horrible O-line, a revolving door at RB, 2 decent WRs and was slow to grasp the playbook. He should know it by now. Let him prove it.[/quote]

McNabb was never in the highest tier of QBs even in his prime, and no one feared the pocket passer McNabb much. His mobility is dwindling, and everyone knows he isn't proficient in an area many other real elite QBs are: the short passing game. Manning, Brady, etc, can all go deep, but they can also burn Ds by moving the chains steadily.

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[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/dc-sports-bog/post/donovan-mcnabb-wants-athletes-off-twitter/2011/06/24/AGVbkOjH_blog.html]Donovan McNabb wants athletes off Twitter - DC Sports Bog - The Washington Post[/url]

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[quote=Longtimefan;808351][url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/dc-sports-bog/post/donovan-mcnabb-wants-athletes-off-twitter/2011/06/24/AGVbkOjH_blog.html]Donovan McNabb wants athletes off Twitter - DC Sports Bog - The Washington Post[/url][/quote]

"DAMN YOU KIDS AND YOUR TWITTERNETS AND YOUR FACESPACES! YOUNG WHIPPERSNAPPERS JUST DON'T KNOW HOW GOOD THEY HAVE IT! WHEN I WAS YOUR AGE I HAD TO WALK 15 MILES UPHILL BOTH WAYS IN THE SNOW TO GET TO THE PRACTICE FACILITY, JUST FOR THE PRIVILEGE OF PUKING IN THE HUDDLE!"

I think the most interesting part of that article isn't some old fart complaining about Twitter, but what he said about the player workouts.

[quote]"I think teams have done a great job of getting together and working out,” he said. “Some have been televised, and I don’t agree with that. I think this is an opportunity to spend [time] just with your teammates and not for all of the public to see you out there....That’s the way it comes off. It comes off that way. And there’s easy ways to get together, for offensive guys to go out and throw routes and run plays and things of that nature. I believe it’s become a show,[b] where guys have gotten everybody together and it’s like they’re having camps and they’re having OTAs when that’s part of the reason we’re in this lockout, to try to avoid some things like that.[/b] It’s unbelievable, the circus that has kind of gathered around guys just working out together. It’s amazing.”[/quote]

We're in the lockout to avoid having OTAs and camp?

And why does the bolded part sound suspiciously like the workouts the Redskins were having?

Or maybe I'm reading too much into it, but still...

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As far as accuracy is concerned McNabb's career completion percentage is 59% Elway, 56%, Marino 59.4%. I'm not implying he's better than those 2 because he's not. However he's not as in-accurate as his detractors make him out to be.

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I would be surprised if his stats last year would stand up to that scrutiny?

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[quote=Shadowbyte;808373]As far as accuracy is concerned McNabb's career completion percentage is 59% Elway, 56%, Marino 59.4%. I'm not implying he's better than those 2 because he's not. However he's not as in-accurate as his detractors make him out to be.[/quote]

It's not so much that his passes don't get completed as much as it's the ball location. Part of the West Coast Offense is allowing your wide receivers to catch the ball and gain years after the catch. It's really hard to catch a ball thrown at your feet or when you have to slide and drop to your knees to make a catch. Sometimes that's the only place to put the ball, but notice a lot of low passes with McNabb, or passes that were thrown entirely too hard.

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[quote=NLC1054;808388]It's not so much that his passes don't get completed as much as it's the ball location. Part of the West Coast Offense is allowing your wide receivers to catch the ball and gain years after the catch. It's really hard to catch a ball thrown at your feet or when you have to slide and drop to your knees to make a catch. Sometimes that's the only place to put the ball, but notice a lot of low passes with McNabb, or passes that were thrown entirely too hard.[/quote]

True, he doesn't throw an easy ball at all. Plus he often puts to much on short routine passes that don't require a high velocity throw. That's why his recievers drop so many passes.

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Perfect example was during the Minnesota game. Santana comes across the formation on a slant, it's gain, but McNabb just drills the ball as hard as he can into Moss' hands, and there's no way Moss can catch it. Ball bounces off Moss' hands and ends up being intercepted.

Everyone says it's a drop by Moss, but there was no way anyone could've caught that ball. A little touch would be nice. Armstrong said he already has cartilage damage from catching footballs thrown by McNabb.

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[quote=Shadowbyte;808373]As far as accuracy is concerned McNabb's career completion percentage is 59% Elway, 56%, Marino 59.4%. I'm not implying he's better than those 2 because he's not. However he's not as in-accurate as his detractors make him out to be.[/quote]

[url=http://hosted.stats.com/fb/playerstats.asp?id=4650]STATS Hosted Solution[/url]

19.9% of all of his attempts resulted in "Poor throws".

Most of the rest of them have about 13% of all of their attempts being poor throws.

Worst on the list, by a pretty wide margin. Only Orton comes close.

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[quote=NLC1054;808401]Perfect example was during the Minnesota game. Santana comes across the formation on a slant, it's gain, but McNabb just drills the ball as hard as he can into Moss' hands, and there's no way Moss can catch it. Ball bounces off Moss' hands and ends up being intercepted.

Everyone says it's a drop by Moss, but there was no way anyone could've caught that ball. A little touch would be nice. Armstrong said he already has cartilage damage from catching footballs thrown by McNabb.[/quote]Say whatever you want about McNabb.
But the pass you describe here is a drop.
If it hits the WR in the hands, its a drop.

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[quote=Shadowbyte;808373]As far as accuracy is concerned McNabb's career completion percentage is 59% Elway, 56%, Marino 59.4%. I'm not implying he's better than those 2 because he's not. However he's not as in-accurate as his detractors make him out to be.[/quote]I mean, he really is though.

Completion %+:

[URL="http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/M/MariDa00.htm"]Marino 110[/URL]
[URL="http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/E/ElwaJo00.htm"]Elway 101[/URL]
[URL="http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/M/McNaDo00.htm"]McNabb 97[/URL]

100 is average. This is adjusted for era.

The other thing is, you have the end of the careers of Elway and Marino (declining statistics) built in, and McNabb is theoretically still going to play a couple more years that drag down his career averages. At the end of his career, we could be talking about a guy who played his entire career in a west coast offense, and completed 5% fewer of his passes than the average quarterback. Not to draw conclusions about McNabb's career that can't be drawn from simple completion percentage, but that's pretty unimpressive.

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Let's dissect this video of McNabb throwing one pass in Phoenix a million different ways

[url=http://s226.photobucket.com/albums/dd108/abdolly/?action=view&current=VID_20110630_123504.mp4]VID_20110630_123504.mp4 video by abdolly - Photobucket[/url]

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[quote=SmootSmack;809144]Let's dissect this video of McNabb throwing one pass in Phoenix a million different ways

[url=http://s226.photobucket.com/albums/dd108/abdolly/?action=view&current=VID_20110630_123504.mp4]VID_20110630_123504.mp4 video by abdolly - Photobucket[/url][/quote]McNabb looks old. Just stature-wise. He seems old to me.

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[quote=SmootSmack;809144]Let's dissect this video of McNabb throwing one pass in Phoenix a million different ways

[url=http://s226.photobucket.com/albums/dd108/abdolly/?action=view&current=VID_20110630_123504.mp4]VID_20110630_123504.mp4 video by abdolly - Photobucket[/url][/quote]

Nothing's ever really been wrong with his throwing motion. It's always been his footwork that's really the problem; throwing off balance, throwing off his back foot, taking too big a step during his "wind up".

As for the video, he just doesn't look...I don't know if explosive is the right word, but I'm going to use it anyway. Like GTripp said, he just looks old. And I know they're working out in t-shirts and shorts and only going half speed, but I kinda noticed the same thing last season where he wasn't really coming out from under center with some oomph.

But I don't really know what I'm talking about, probably, so ignore me.

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For the record, I think this game was the best game McNabb played last season (well, until the two dumbass decisions at the end). I'm disqualifying the Texans game because the Texans secondary was the only one that looked worse than ours last year.

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It was also the best game Kyle called all season. Go figure that when the quarterback and the OC are in sync, good things happen. Well, except for the not winning part.

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I thought Houston was one of the better called games by Kyle and the better games played by McNabb.

The Packers game stands out to me because our OL couldn't block anybody and McNabb was able to survive and produce.

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Well like I said, the Texans game...it's kind of an abberation. Their secondary was pretty awful, and well...he practice against that defense every week for 2-3 years. So I thought the game was an amazing offensive showcase, but considering those factors, I couldn't give it that kind of appreciation.

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I was pretty impressed with his performance in the Packers game as well, but he just moves too slowly now.

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[quote=Ruhskins;808260]I think the Titans actually may make more sense to McNabb than Minny right now. Maybe Seattle...probably Arizona...although Arizona is in the Kolb Sweepstakes. I guess whoever loses out on Kolb may get McNabb. But Orton may also be available, so who knows. I just hope there is a market for McNabb and we can recoup something from this disaster of a trade.[/quote]

According to a quote by CSN Washington’s Ryan O’Halloran, the Washington Redskins wouldn’t get more than a “used kicking tee” for quarterback Donovan McNabb, and as a result, will release him before the season begins. O’Halloran is obviously joking but he is implying that it wouldn’t even be worth it for the Redskins to try to trade McNabb, whose value dropped significantly following a disappointing 2010 season. McNabb, 34, is due $12.5 million next season. He was signed to a contract extension before a November game against the Philadelphia Eagles but the contract also includes a loophole in which the Redskins can get out of paying him anything. And they will. McNabb may be a starter next season (although I don’t expect it) but it won’t be for the Redskins.

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[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/07/05/redskins-will-have-a-hard-time-trading-mcnabb/]Redskins will have a hard time trading McNabb | ProFootballTalk[/url]

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They're not going to trade him. They realize they're not going to get value for him after last season, and they put the out clause in his contract in there specifically because of that. McNabb will get cut with no compensation unless McNabb wants to restructure his contract, which he won't want to.

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[quote=NLC1054;809413]They're not going to trade him. They realize they're not going to get value for him after last season, and they put the out clause in his contract in there specifically because of that. McNabb will get cut with no compensation unless McNabb wants to restructure his contract, which he won't want to.[/quote]


He may just stay in D.C who knows

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I think the only thing that's for sure is DM won't be back. How he moves on is the only question.

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Like I said, his best chance for some sort of success is to stay in Washington. But him and Kyle are going to need to come together somehow, and I think that relationship is pretty much obliterated. He feels like Kyle wants him to be a robot, and if that's the way he feels, there's not going to be a lot we can do.

So unless he restructures his contract and changes his attitude, we're probably just going to cut him.

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[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/redskins/mike-shanahan-must-turn-things-around-for-redskins-after-troubling-2010-season/2011/07/01/gHQA5V0FyH_story.html]Mike Shanahan must turn things around for Redskins after troubling 2010 season - The Washington Post[/url]

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[quote=Longtimefan;809465][url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/redskins/mike-shanahan-must-turn-things-around-for-redskins-after-troubling-2010-season/2011/07/01/gHQA5V0FyH_story.html]Mike Shanahan must turn things around for Redskins after troubling 2010 season - The Washington Post[/url][/quote]

i feel like i have read this a million times if i have read it once, f this lockout crap, we NEED football

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[quote=Longtimefan;809465][url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/redskins/mike-shanahan-must-turn-things-around-for-redskins-after-troubling-2010-season/2011/07/01/gHQA5V0FyH_story.html]Mike Shanahan must turn things around for Redskins after troubling 2010 season - The Washington Post[/url][/quote]

I don't know what it is about DC and hack sports journalist, but here we have another one in Jason Reid. There's a reason why he got fired as the Redskins Insider. Crap like this, which is nothing but the same garbage pretty much everyone else has ever said ever about the Redskins. There is nothing new, no insight, no NOTHING in this whole article.

Why does this jerkhole still have a job?

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Yeah pretty lame read.

I think you've gotta give Shanahan a full 3 years before you consider moving on.