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I think he did it just to prove Willie Parker wrong.
:cheeky-sm

Re: Redskins Draft Analysis Thread
 

[quote=Alvin Walton;801864]I think he did it just to prove Willie Parker wrong.
:cheeky-sm[/quote]

Or prove him right. It's easier to bring in new guys that don't need much attitude change than to change guys who are set in their own ways. People are stubborn fellows, and being a counselor and therapist is not one of Mike Shanahan's strong points, nor does he really have the time for it even if he were good at those things.

If it ain't broke, don't fix it. ;)

Dirtbag's Final Offseason Draft Grades
 

[B]R1P17 - Ryan Kerrigan - OLB - Purdue - [/B]High motor player that can hold up at the POA. Also capable of getting to the QB and could easily be the best OLB in this class, at the very least though he's a suitable compliment to Orakpo [B]Grade A[/B]

[B]R2P41 - Jarvis Jenkins - DE - Clemson -[/B] Space eater that will keep blockers off linebackers and no longer allow teams to run away from Carriker. If he gets better in the weight room he could easily be a steal but the bottom line is he'll only really be counted on for dirty work. [B]Grade B[/B]

[B]R3P15 - Leonard Hankerson - WR - Miami - [/B]Thank St. Louis for passing him up one pick earlier. Nothing to dislike here. Receiver is a huge need and Hankerson has the physial tools, production, and intangibles. [B]Grade A+[/B]

[B]R4P8 - Roy Helu Jr - RB - Nebraska -[/B] Productive player with game breaking speed in the Shanahan system. [B]Grade A[/B]

[B]R5P15 - Dejon Gomes - Everything - Nebraska -[/B] What is he? Is he an in the box safety? A nickel back? Speedy OLB? A special teams player? At the very least Gomes is a football player that will work hard and probably make this team. On the other hand we already had similar players on our roster and more useful players were still on the board. Grade down the road has potential to be a lot higher [B]Grade C[/B]

[B]R5P24 - Niles Paul - WR - Nebraska -[/B] Depends on how you look at Paul. On one hand he has first round talent but on the other hand his production is that of a...well 5th round pick if that. The problems with alcohol don't sound encouraging either. Either way the main point of view I take on this pick is the next receiver the Redskins selected is much more promising and the only thing keeping me from giving this pick a D is Paul's first round ability. Interesting fact, Paul is the Nephew of former Packers Running Back Ahman Green [B]Grade C-[/B]

[B]R6P12 - Evan Royster - RB - Penn State -[/B] Royster has a great combination of vision and production. Shanahan probably oversold when he compared him to T. Davis but in Washington Royster has a real chance to succeed. [B]Grade B+[/B]

[B]R6P13 - Alderick Robinson - WR - SMU -[/B] Robinson is a very good pick. Though he doesn't get behind defenses in spite of his speed he's still a quality route runner that catches the ball in the first window (See end of post for explanation). He has the type of production that would easily have justified a 3rd round pick. Has great potential working out of the slot and could easily find himself competing with Terrance Austin for the role of the next Eddie Royal. [B]Grade A-[/B]

[B]R7P10 - Brandyn Thompson - CB - Boise State -[/B] uhhh Corner. [B]Grade F-[/B]. In all seriousness though Thompson is a decent physical corner with the ability to pull in Int's. However his hips aren't very fluid according to reports and in general good Corners seem to fall less in drafts then any other position. Unlike most corners though he's willing and able to play the run. [B]Grade D+ [/B]

[B]R7P14 Maurice Hurt - OG - Florida -[/B] Zone capable Guard with decent versatility. Played LG, RG, and RT at Florida however height will limit him to Guard at the next level. Durability problems might have led to his drop. At the very least he's another developmental lineman to flow down the pipeline. [B]Grade B-[/B]

[B]R7P21 - Markus White - OLB - Florida State [/B]- Very raw but physically gifted player. He also comes with decent production racking up 8 sacks last year. He has durability concerns especially with a history of seizures however White also possesses a high ceiling and could find himself as a situational pass rusher and go to backup a year or two down the line. [B]Grade B-[/B]

[B]R7P50 - Christopher Neild - NT - West Virginia -[/B] Hard worker with great bulk for a 320 pounder. Loves football and relishes taking on and working through double teams. At the very least will be a rotation player for years, but could also become a starter one day. [B]Grade A-[/B]

*Receiver Windows - A concept explained to me by Cris Carter who ironically coached Leonard Hankerson in High School. 1st window is where the best receivers catch the ball with their hands extended away from their body. 2nd window is right in front of the face mask or with the body. 3rd window is where players catch the ball after it passes them away from their field of vision. The higher the window the higher the chance of a receiver causing tip drill Int's.

**All grades are arbitrary but are based on a combination of need, value, floor, ceiling, ability to make the team, and the ability to contribute.

Re: Redskins Draft Analysis Thread
 

Is it to early to start my "Landry Jones" in 2012 chant?

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[quote=Son Of Man;802479]Is it to early to start my "Landry Jones" in 2012 chant?[/quote]

Yes and I'll tell you why. Assuming we're in position to select Jones after season ends with an early pick we'll end up getting shafted. First the "next years class will be better" lines will be rattling off left and right calling you an idiot for wanting Jones because 2013 will land us a better QB. Then about a week or two before the draft some team picking ahead of us will fall in love with him and select him (See: Bradford, Sam and Locker, Jake).

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[quote=Son Of Man;802479]Is it to early to start my "Landry Jones" in 2012 chant?[/quote]

We won't get Jones. Our "smarter" plan is to win no games this year so that we can choose Luck. :cheeky-sm

Re: Dirtbag's Final Offseason Draft Grades
 

[quote=Dirtbag59;802446][B]R1P17 - Ryan Kerrigan - OLB - Purdue - [/B]High motor player that can hold up at the POA. Also capable of getting to the QB and could easily be the best OLB in this class, at the very least though he's a suitable compliment to Orakpo [B]Grade A[/B]

[B]R2P41 - Jarvis Jenkins - DE - Clemson -[/B] Space eater that will keep blockers off linebackers and no longer allow teams to run away from Carriker. If he gets better in the weight room he could easily be a steal but the bottom line is he'll only really be counted on for dirty work. [B]Grade B[/B]

[B]R3P15 - Leonard Hankerson - WR - Miami - [/B]Thank St. Louis for passing him up one pick earlier. Nothing to dislike here. Receiver is a huge need and Hankerson has the physial tools, production, and intangibles. [B]Grade A+[/B]

[B]R4P8 - Roy Helu Jr - RB - Nebraska -[/B] Productive player with game breaking speed in the Shanahan system. [B]Grade A[/B]

[B]R5P15 - Dejon Gomes - Everything - Nebraska -[/B] What is he? Is he an in the box safety? A nickel back? Speedy OLB? A special teams player? At the very least Gomes is a football player that will work hard and probably make this team. On the other hand we already had similar players on our roster and more useful players were still on the board. Grade down the road has potential to be a lot higher [B]Grade C[/B]

[B]R5P24 - Niles Paul - WR - Nebraska -[/B] Depends on how you look at Paul. On one hand he has first round talent but on the other hand his production is that of a...well 5th round pick if that. The problems with alcohol don't sound encouraging either. Either way the main point of view I take on this pick is the next receiver the Redskins selected is much more promising and the only thing keeping me from giving this pick a D is Paul's first round ability. Interesting fact, Paul is the Nephew of former Packers Running Back Ahman Green [B]Grade C-[/B]

[B]R6P12 - Evan Royster - RB - Penn State -[/B] Royster has a great combination of vision and production. Shanahan probably oversold when he compared him to T. Davis but in Washington Royster has a real chance to succeed. [B]Grade B+[/B]

[B]R6P13 - Alderick Robinson - WR - SMU -[/B] Robinson is a very good pick. Though he doesn't get behind defenses in spite of his speed he's still a quality route runner that catches the ball in the first window (See end of post for explanation). He has the type of production that would easily have justified a 3rd round pick. Has great potential working out of the slot and could easily find himself competing with Terrance Austin for the role of the next Eddie Royal. [B]Grade A-[/B]

[B]R7P10 - Brandyn Thompson - CB - Boise State -[/B] uhhh Corner. [B]Grade F-[/B]. In all seriousness though Thompson is a decent physical corner with the ability to pull in Int's. However his hips aren't very fluid according to reports and in general good Corners seem to fall less in drafts then any other position. Unlike most corners though he's willing and able to play the run. [B]Grade D+ [/B]

[B]R7P14 Maurice Hurt - OG - Florida -[/B] Zone capable Guard with decent versatility. Played LG, RG, and RT at Florida however height will limit him to Guard at the next level. Durability problems might have led to his drop. At the very least he's another developmental lineman to flow down the pipeline. [B]Grade B-[/B]

[B]R7P21 - Markus White - OLB - Florida State [/B]- Very raw but physically gifted player. He also comes with decent production racking up 8 sacks last year. He has durability concerns especially with a history of seizures however White also possesses a high ceiling and could find himself as a situational pass rusher and go to backup a year or two down the line. [B]Grade B-[/B]

[B]R7P50 - Christopher Neild - NT - West Virginia -[/B] Hard worker with great bulk for a 320 pounder. Loves football and relishes taking on and working through double teams. At the very least will be a rotation player for years, but could also become a starter one day. [B]Grade A-[/B]

*Receiver Windows - A concept explained to me by Cris Carter who ironically coached Leonard Hankerson in High School. 1st window is where the best receivers catch the ball with their hands extended away from their body. 2nd window is right in front of the face mask or with the body. 3rd window is where players catch the ball after it passes them away from their field of vision. The higher the window the higher the chance of a receiver causing tip drill Int's.

**All grades are arbitrary but are based on a combination of need, value, floor, ceiling, ability to make the team, and the ability to contribute.[/quote]

You gave a very positive review. I'm coming around on this draft, at first I was skeptical of not taking a QB & also taking Jenkins in the 2nd. Admittedly though, I didn't know much about Jenkins beforehand.

I think Niles Paul has some similarities to Miles Austin, who was undrafted. I like his size & YAC potential. The Hankerson pick was a home run, but the other pick that got my attention was Markus White. Watched a bit of him & I see him as a guy that could develop into a solid OLB. Has the athleticism to make the transition.

I like the RB picks if for no other reason they are great value & should be able to make the team. Don't care if we have a feature back, but will be nice if Royster develops as the between the tackles guy & Helu spells him for a change of pace. Or vice-versa w/Helu starting. That job is wide open at this point.

Re: Dirtbag's Final Offseason Draft Grades
 

[quote=freddyg12;802691]You gave a very positive review. I'm coming around on this draft, at first I was skeptical of not taking a QB & also taking Jenkins in the 2nd. Admittedly though, I didn't know much about Jenkins beforehand.

I think Niles Paul has some similarities to Miles Austin, who was undrafted. I like his size & YAC potential. The Hankerson pick was a home run, but the other pick that got my attention was Markus White. Watched a bit of him & I see him as a guy that could develop into a solid OLB. Has the athleticism to make the transition.

I like the RB picks if for no other reason they are great value & should be able to make the team. Don't care if we have a feature back, but will be nice if Royster develops as the between the tackles guy & Helu spells him for a change of pace. Or vice-versa w/Helu starting. That job is wide open at this point.[/quote]

The funny thing about Hankerson is how similar his situation is to when the Redskins drafted Devin Thomas. Just like in 2008 the Rams were picking right before us and just like 2008 both the Skins and Rams needed a receiver. And just like 08 the Rams took the small school guy instead of the guy we wanted to pick. Of course this time around the Rams got a more reasonable prospect with Austin Pettis but it's funny the similarities. I just hope the end result is different and between Hankerson's attitude and Shanahan's coaching I feel like we're putting this young man in a position to succeed.

Re: Dirtbag's Final Offseason Draft Grades
 

[quote=Dirtbag59;802730]The funny thing about Hankerson is how similar his situation is to when the Redskins drafted Devin Thomas. Just like in 2008 the Rams were picking right before us and just like 2008 both the Skins and Rams needed a receiver. And just like 08 the Rams took the small school guy instead of the guy we wanted to pick. Of course this time around the Rams got a more reasonable prospect with Austin Pettis but it's funny the similarities. I just hope the end result is different and between Hankerson's attitude and Shanahan's coaching I feel like we're putting this young man in a position to succeed.[/quote]

Hank has some major differences from Thomas. Breaking Michael Irvin's record with whoever their QB is, hands that are huge, 4 years experience >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> one-year one-trick pony who could only comprehend a go route even AFTER an attitude change.

Re: Dirtbag's Final Offseason Draft Grades
 

[quote=SirClintonPortis;802757]Hank has some major differences from Thomas. Breaking Michael Irvin's record with whoever their QB is, hands that are huge, 4 years experience >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> one-year one-trick pony who could only comprehend a go route even AFTER an attitude change.[/quote]

Oh I know and no way am I comparing Hankerson to Thomas in terms of on field play. I just thought that it was funny that once against St. Louis was picking right before us and they passed up a big name for another receiver allowing the guy we wanted to drop to us. Of course Titus Young wasn't nearly as obscure as Donny Avery but thats besides the point.

Re: Redskins Draft Analysis Thread
 

When sirclinton mentioned Hank's 4 years, I realized - we didn't draft any underclassmen did we?

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One thing I noticed about Robinson's QB is that he had a terrible arm. You watch all the fades he runs and has to come back to balls to make plays. I think that might have been why he was considered fast but not a deep threat.
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[quote=freddyg12;802775]When sirclinton mentioned Hank's 4 years, I realized - we didn't draft any underclassmen did we?[/quote]

More of a coincidence then anything else. Last years draft was loaded with underclassmen because players became very aware of the labor uncertainty for 2011 plus they knew there wouldn't be a rookie wage scale.

The underclassmen that would have been eligible for this years draft on the other hand saw terrible labor uncertainty and a rookie wage scale that had them saying "whats the rush." So in the end we had a class where most of the best players were seniors.

Bottom line the guys that returned to college know they'll be playing football this fall and won't have to worry about not having enough time to learn the system while adjusting to the speed of a new level. The 2011 class of rookies on the other hand has many players wondering when they're going to see a playbook and weather or not they'll learn it in time to convince their coaches that they deserve playing time. After all you only get one chance to make a first impression.

Also reminds me of someone saying the Chiefs were drafting mostly team captains when the fact of the matter is most drafted players are elected captain because they're one of the 3 or 4 best players on the team. In many cases actual leadership qualities are a bonus rather than a requirement.

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It was kind of amazing though, that we didn't take an underclassman in the first round. At the spot we picked, it was pretty much just Kerrigan and Jordan (and I guess the OT class) amongst a ton of underclassmen.

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[url=http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=clayton_john&id=6539561]NFL: Jahvid Best and Mikel Leshoure illustrate the evolution of NFL running backs - ESPN[/url]
Based on this I would suspect we're going to see more Torrain and Royster then Helu Jr. Skins take on the AFC East this year and have 8 games against 3-4 teams (including 4 straight in weeks 8-11). Helu should be fine though in the other 8 games .

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I would've liked to have seen a substantial NT over Jenkins and some O-Line help over Gomes. I think we went a little heavy on the receiving core and running backs, and none of the running backs are reputed to be able to catch balls out of the backfield or block. Without revamping our line, what quarterback, be it Beck, Grossman, or even McNabb will be able to get the ball down field without getting creamed?

Re: Redskins Draft Analysis Thread
 

[quote=Fireox;802861]I would've liked to have seen a substantial NT over Jenkins and some O-Line help over Gomes. I think we went a little heavy on the receiving core and running backs, and none of the running backs are reputed to be able to catch balls out of the backfield or block. Without revamping our line, what quarterback, be it Beck, Grossman, or even McNabb will be able to get the ball down field without getting creamed?[/quote]

I think the Neild will surprise a lot of people but at the same time more people would have felt confident with someone like Powe. Receiving crops and running back picks outside of Paul I felt were great because they were late and they will be coming into a regime that has a history of developing late round skilled players. However I see your point on the overkill.

Still Royster actually does have a reputation as a pass catcher and blocker. In fact he is best described as a back that's good at everything great at nothing.

Looking back the real area they might have gone overkill on is the front 5 on defense seeing as how they might be signing a nosetackle and defensive end. Don't get me wrong Jarvis Jenkins should be a nice find and he has a ton of upside given what he was able to do with limited measurable strength however with the rumors of signing Franklin and Jenkins coming in I can't help but think that the second round pick would have been much better spent on Hudson or Wisenski.

Gomes I didn't like much either but I know deep down he's a football player and will make it very hard for the coaches to cut him. In fact I think he may end up being the Lorenzo Alexander of the secondary.

2010 rules have depleted this offensive line class heavily while at the same time we could see 2/3's of our defensive line starters coming in via Free agency. I mean we don't know if Harris will be available and we have to find out soon or else we'll loose out on J. Brown and maybe have to settle for overplaying Gaither. Joesph is going to be a restricted free agent.

Tyson Clabo I'm hearing will be to expensive to resign for the Falcons and is coming off a pro bowl season. Falcons use a zone scheme so he might be looking into as well.

There are some other guys that are a little less well known but might be good fits but the good news is the Skins O-Line improved a lot near the end of the year and could simply get better by relying on continuity. Still we'll see.

Fun With Numbers Vinny vs Shanallen
 

So I decided to play around with numbers and came up with a statistical evaluation to see how picks were allocated in the draft.

[B][B][SIZE="5"][COLOR="Red"]Warning: May induce heart attack, stroke, and seizure.[/COLOR][/SIZE][/B][/B]

[B]Rules[/B]:
- Trench Players (DT, DE, OL, OLB in 3-4)

- Skilled Players (QB, RB, WR, TE, DB, LB, LS, K, P)

- Points were allocated so higher picks earned more points(1st Round - 7pts, 2nd Round - 6pts, 3rd Round - 5pts, 4th Round - 4pts, 5th Round - 3pts, 6th Round -2pts, 7th Round - 1pt)

- So to demonstrate, Brian Orakpo in the 1st Round resulted in 7 points for Trench players. Taylor Jacobs in the 2nd Round fetched 6 points for skilled players. Leonard Hankerson in the 3rd Round fetched 5 points for trench players. HB Blades in the 6th Round fetched 2 points for skilled players, Selvish Capers in the 7th Round fetched 1 point for trench players

-Trades for veterans were not included however supplementary picks were (ie Jarmon).

[COLOR="DarkRed"][B]Shanallen[/B] [B]2010-2011[/B][/COLOR]
[B]Trench Players Drafted[/B] - 8 (25 Points)
[B]Skilled Players Drafted[/B] - 10 (27 Points)

[B][B][COLOR="Blue"]Vinny Alone 2008-2009[/COLOR]
[/B][/B][B]Trench Players Drafted[/B] - 4 (18 Points)
[B]Skilled Players Drafted[/B] - 13 (41 Points)

[B][B][COLOR="DarkOrange"]Vinny With Gibbs and Snyder 2004-2007[/COLOR]
[/B][/B][B]Trench Players Drafted[/B] - 5 (10 Points)
[B]Skilled Players Drafted[/B] - 16 (61 Points)

[B][B][COLOR="Purple"]Vinny With Snyder 2000, 2002-2003[/COLOR]
[/B][/B][B]Trench Players Drafted[/B] - 6 (20 Points)
[B]Skilled Players Drafted[/B] - 15 (56 Points)

[B][B][COLOR="Green"]Vinny Reign of Terror 2000, 2002-2009[/COLOR]
[/B][/B][B]Trench Players Drafted[/B] - 15 (48 Points)
[B]Skilled Players Drafted[/B] - 44 (158 Points)

Re: Fun With Numbers Vinny vs Shanallen
 

[quote=Dirtbag59;802945]So I decided to play around with numbers and came up with a statistical evaluation to see how picks were allocated in the draft.

[B][B][SIZE="5"][COLOR="Red"]Warning: May induce heart attack, stroke, and seizure.[/COLOR][/SIZE][/B][/B]

[B]Rules[/B]:
- Trench Players (DT, DE, OL, OLB in 3-4)

- Skilled Players (QB, RB, WR, TE, DB, LB, LS, K, P)

- Points were allocated so higher picks earned more points(1st Round - 7pts, 2nd Round - 6pts, 3rd Round - 5pts, 4th Round - 4pts, 5th Round - 3pts, 6th Round -2pts, 7th Round - 1pt)

- So to demonstrate, Brian Orakpo in the 1st Round resulted in 7 points for Trench players. Taylor Jacobs in the 2nd Round fetched 6 points for skilled players. Leonard Hankerson in the 3rd Round fetched 5 points for trench players. HB Blades in the 6th Round fetched 2 points for skilled players, Selvish Capers in the 7th Round fetched 1 point for trench players

-Trades for veterans were not included however supplementary picks were (ie Jarmon).

[COLOR="DarkRed"][B]Shanallen[/B] [B]2010-2011[/B][/COLOR]
[B]Trench Players Drafted[/B] - 8 (25 Points)
[B]Skilled Players Drafted[/B] - 10 (27 Points)

[B][B][COLOR="Blue"]Vinny Alone 2008-2009[/COLOR]
[/B][/B][B]Trench Players Drafted[/B] - 4 (18 Points)
[B]Skilled Players Drafted[/B] - 13 (41 Points)

[B][B][COLOR="DarkOrange"]Vinny With Gibbs and Snyder 2004-2007[/COLOR]
[/B][/B][B]Trench Players Drafted[/B] - 5 (10 Points)
[B]Skilled Players Drafted[/B] - 16 (61 Points)

[B][B][COLOR="Purple"]Vinny With Snyder 2000, 2002-2003[/COLOR]
[/B][/B][B]Trench Players Drafted[/B] - 6 (20 Points)
[B]Skilled Players Drafted[/B] - 15 (56 Points)

[B][B][COLOR="Green"]Vinny Reign of Terror 2000, 2002-2009[/COLOR]
[/B][/B][B]Trench Players Drafted[/B] - 15 (48 Points)
[B]Skilled Players Drafted[/B] - 44 (158 Points)[/quote]

This is great work. Wow....this is freaking mind blowing. Even guys running a Madden franchise know to draft quality guys in the trenches. Those stats are ridiculous.

Re: Redskins Draft Analysis Thread
 

At least you admit it's just playing with numbers.

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[quote=Monkeydad;803051]At least you admit it's just playing with numbers.[/quote]

My numbers are BEAST! [/Thread]

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Dirtbag, I get your point about corners. Still, every year I'm a homer for at least 5 minutes when I read articles like this:

[url=http://www.redskins.com/news-and-events/article-1/Thompson-Brings-Turnover-Skills-to-Redskins/f544c0c5-07c8-4b7f-b6b0-fd4053a12beb]Thompson Brings Turnover Skills to Redskins[/url]

The link on facebook said something like they look for him to contribute "for many years to come." Really, a 7th round CB? If he makes it, that's cool, but I agree that late round cb's rarely are good enough, more so than w/other positions.

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[quote=freddyg12;803846]Dirtbag, I get your point about corners. Still, every year I'm a homer for at least 5 minutes when I read articles like this:

[url=http://www.redskins.com/news-and-events/article-1/Thompson-Brings-Turnover-Skills-to-Redskins/f544c0c5-07c8-4b7f-b6b0-fd4053a12beb]Thompson Brings Turnover Skills to Redskins[/url]

The link on facebook said something like they look for him to contribute "for many years to come." Really, a 7th round CB? If he makes it, that's cool, but I agree that late round cb's rarely are good enough, more so than w/other positions.[/quote]

Good read. He's a good pickup for being drafted in the 7th round.

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[quote=freddyg12;803846]Dirtbag, I get your point about corners. Still, every year I'm a homer for at least 5 minutes when I read articles like this:

[url=http://www.redskins.com/news-and-events/article-1/Thompson-Brings-Turnover-Skills-to-Redskins/f544c0c5-07c8-4b7f-b6b0-fd4053a12beb]Thompson Brings Turnover Skills to Redskins[/url]

The link on facebook said something like they look for him to contribute "for many years to come." Really, a 7th round CB? If he makes it, that's cool, but I agree that late round cb's rarely are good enough, more so than w/other positions.[/quote]

Good find, and thank you for acknowledging my hate for Corners, lol.

Still the thing that makes me wonder is if he ran such a great time in the 100 meter, why was his 40 time only 4.5?

Re: Redskins Draft Analysis Thread
 

[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/05/24/team-checklist-washingon-redskins/#more-132383]Team checklist: Washingon Redskins | ProFootballTalk[/url]

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[url=http://blogblitz.nfl.com/washington-redskins/entry/05312011_leonard_hankerson_roy_helu]NFL Blog Blitz: Washington Redskins powered by SportsFanLive.com[/url]

Saw this & thought you might like to read it.

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[url=http://www.hogshaven.com/2011/6/6/2208470/brian-orakpo-the-most-explosive-defensive-player-from-2009-draft#storyjump]Brian Orakpo The Most 'Explosive' Defensive Player From 2009 Draft Class, According To Formula - Hogs Haven[/url]

Put a smile on my face, can't wait for the season to start.

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[url=http://www.hogshaven.com/2011/6/6/2208470/brian-orakpo-the-most-explosive-defensive-player-from-2009-draft#storyjump]Brian Orakpo The Most 'Explosive' Defensive Player From 2009 Draft Class, According To Formula - Hogs Haven[/url]

Put a smile on my face, can't wait for the season to start.

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Washingtonpost with a good article about the first half of our rookie class, pros and cons of each player

[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/football-insider/post/redskins-rookies-why-they-could-struggle-or-succeed/2011/07/11/gIQAQn6t8H_blog.html]Redskins rookies: Why they could struggle or succeed - The Insider - The Washington Post[/url]

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[quote=NYCskinfan82;805957][url=http://www.hogshaven.com/2011/6/6/2208470/brian-orakpo-the-most-explosive-defensive-player-from-2009-draft#storyjump]Brian Orakpo The Most 'Explosive' Defensive Player From 2009 Draft Class, According To Formula - Hogs Haven[/url]

Put a smile on my face, can't wait for the season to start.[/quote]

That is the worst formula I've ever seen. First of all, Maybin scored higher than Matthews.

But more importantly, practically and mathematically it makes zero sense. Practically, neither the bench press nor the vertical jump measure explosion for a defensive end that well. The bench press is more of a stamina indicator while the vertical jump just The vertical jump isn't all that applicable to a rusher, (they go forward, not up) but somehow these indicators took up the vast majority of the score.
Mathematically it also made no sense. The broad jump differences between players is so miniscule because the difference between a 9 foot jump and an 11 foot jump is huge but only a difference of 2 in the score while 31 reps vs 29 reps is nothing but also a difference of 2 in the score.
Kirwan is in idiot. This makes no sense.

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Kirwan an idiot? Now I've heard it all.

:doh:

The explosion number and production ratios aren't end all predictors of success, but you can't deny there are some interesting correlations there. Think of it as the rule of 26-27-60 for QBs.

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[quote=Mattyk;810372]Kirwan an idiot? Now I've heard it all.

:doh:

The explosion number and production ratios aren't end all predictors of success, but you can't deny there are some interesting correlations there. Think of it as the rule of 26-27-60 for QBs.[/quote]

That is saying that guys who have physical upper strength and stamina, jump high, and jump far are correlated with producing well on defense. DUH.

You have to think deeper than that. The 26-27-60 rule is for qbs, not all defenders. Every defender plays a different position, and some factors apply differently to different positions. Also the 26-27-60 rule has three separate categories, that cannot be combined into one number. This rule basically says that if a defensive end can bench 45 times, but has a 7 foot broad jump and a 25 inch vertical jump, he will have a great explosion number of 77 even though his vertical jump and broad jump (the most important factor for evaluating defensive explosion) are shit. That makes no sense. This equation makes no sense. Of course if you can jump high, far, and bench well that is CORRELATED with success because those are necessary factors to succeed in the NFL. All I'm saying is this formula is messed up in so many ways; where the most important ones are the mathematics of it are way off due to adding up indicators independent of each other , and that is that its not specific to position.

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[QUOTE]Obviously these two indexes aren't huge measures of a draft prospects potential success in the NFL, but it does give a clue as to the type of player he was from both a physical and production standpoint coming out of college.[/QUOTE]

No need to look deeper, the above sums up what this is all about.

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Ok so i asked a question at Dan Granzio's weekly chats. I asked him whether Helu or Hankerson would make a bigger impact on the offense. He said Helu cause he thought they drafted him to start right away and Hankerson had some questions about his route running.

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[quote=musicmaster45;810385]Ok so i asked a question at Dan Granzio's weekly chats. I asked him whether Helu or Hankerson would make a bigger impact on the offense. He said Helu cause he thought they drafted him to start right away and Hankerson had some questions about his route running.[/quote]

I think we drafted Helu to be our Jamaal Charles (of course not as good, but that type of player). A change of pace back that can burn you. I'm not going to predict who is going to have more of an impact until I see what our FA class is like, and even then I'll probably still be about 50-50 on their impacts. Helu will Help with our big play ability when running and Hankerson will help with WR depth. Both will help and contribute, but this upcoming season I don't think either will contribute immensely.

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I hope they can be great fast but that is probably just a pipe dream.

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I wonder how much Helu & Royster will be allowed to run the ball if they can't block. Will Shanny bench those guys if they can't pick up blitzes? Saw it w/J. Davis last year, one game he missed a block on one of his first plays & he was out the rest of the day.

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well i know that was one of the reasons we drafted Royster his blocking and pass catching so Royter has the advantage there

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[quote=freddyg12;810405]I wonder how much Helu & Royster will be allowed to run the ball if they can't block. Will Shanny bench those guys if they can't pick up blitzes? Saw it w/J. Davis last year, one game he missed a block on one of his first plays & he was out the rest of the day.[/quote]

If they can't block they won't be playing much on 3rd downs. But that's where KW fits in.

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I don't even see Williams making the team.