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^ agreed

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[quote=SOUL-SKINS;827698]But you can't discount Becks mobility. That's huge.[/quote]

Mobility is much more important in college, pro QBs need to be be able to move a couple steps side to side and deliver an accurate ball. I'll take accuracy over mobility any day and I think Rex is a bit more accurate.

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Rex starts the road games. Beck starts the home games...problem solved

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[quote=irish;827719]Mobility is much more important in college, pro QBs need to be be able to move a couple steps side to side and deliver an accurate ball. I'll take accuracy over mobility any day and I think Rex is a bit more accurate.[/quote]

Absolutely being accurate is more important. I was just pointing out another strong suit of Becks game. Right now if I had to chose. I'd go with Grossman to start.

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[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/08/26/shanahan-doesnt-see-separation-at-quarterback/]Shanahan doesn’t see separation at quarterback | ProFootballTalk[/url]

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[quote=irish;827719]Mobility is much more important in college, pro QBs need to be be able to move a couple steps side to side and deliver an accurate ball. I'll take accuracy over mobility any day and I think Rex is a bit more accurate.[/quote]

I'm not sure that the gap in accuracy, if there even is one, is as great as the mobility gap between Beck and Grossman.

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[quote=Lotus;827765]I'm not sure that the gap in accuracy, if there even is one, is as great as the mobility gap between Beck and Grossman.[/quote]

Totally agree.

Not sure I see any difference in accuracy actually. Beck's throws are pretty spot on and he's got some underrated zip too.

I think Beck's athleticism really gives him the advantage, he can really sell the boot action stuff the Shanahan's love to run, and he's a legit threat to take off for a few yards if needed.

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[url=http://washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/nfl/2011/08/ten-observations-ravens-34-redskins-31]Ten observations: Ravens 34, Redskins 31 | John Keim | NFL | Washington Examiner[/url]

[QUOTE]2. Apparently ESPN’s Jon Gruden was raving about Beck on TV and proclaimed him his day one starter. He also apparently raved about Beck’s interview. Here’s the thing; Gruden doesn’t do that if he’s not hearing something elsewhere. Like from the head coach. I’ve talked to a few people who have said that Mike Shanahan has told them he thinks Beck is better than Rex Grossman. And Gruden would have been in a production meeting with Shanahan the other day. Wonder if the QB topic came up. What do you think?[/QUOTE]

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[quote=jonny5dicky;827668]You obviously need to be constantly reminded of Grossman's credentials as where Beck doesn't have any. It's like the other posters have stated, Grossman is comfortable delivering the ball from the pocket and Beck is much more effective rolling outside of the pocket to make throws. So, who in the hell do you think is going to start? Probably the quarterback that can play in the pocket like an NFL quarterback. Gaffney is a receiver on this team anyway, that already is fate enough to make Grossman the quarterback. I think I've made it clear that I think Rex isn't just a stopgap quarterback but the leader of this offense.[/quote]

Offiss......dark twin?

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Grossman threw 7 touchdown passes in 3 games last season on a sort of bad Redskins team last season. That's on pace for over 30 touchdown passes a season, and I think he can keep that pace especially with having the familiar target of Gaffney to throw to. Gaffney is a very underrated receiver that does everything right, and sorry for all the Grossman praise but I have a gut feeling that the Redskins success will mold together with him under center.

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[quote=jonny5dicky;827804]Grossman threw 7 touchdown passes in 3 games last season on a sort of bad Redskins team last season. That's on pace for over 30 touchdown passes a season, and I think he can keep that pace especially with having the familiar target of Gaffney to throw to. Gaffney is a very underrated receiver that does everything right, and sorry for all the Grossman praise but I have a gut feeling that the Redskins success will mold together with him under center.[/quote]

Along with 4 picks and 4 fumbles, but yeah let's just leave that part out.

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[quote=Mattyk;827805]Along with 4 picks and 4 fumbles, but yeah let's just leave that part out.[/quote]

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McNabb threw 14 touchdown passes in 13 games, Grossman 7 in 3. With more added weapons to the offense(Hightower, Gaffney), along with the development and familiarity with Armstrong and Austin will only make him more productive. I think Beck should be put in if we can't protect Grossman and we do need someone more fleet at foot, because that's all Beck's got on the gunslinger himself, mark of the Red8, a one Rex Grossman the savior of D.C.

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The qb battle is a draw, but Jonny5 reminds me of the guy from NO that defended CP to the hilt last year. It's fun to watch the unrelenting support, and yet so hard not to get drawn into the conversation.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;827814]The qb battle is a draw, but Jonny5 reminds me of the guy from NO that defended CP to the hilt last year. It's fun to watch the unrelenting support, and yet so hard not to get drawn into the conversation.[/quote]

Yeah and once they're proven wrong, you never hear from them again.

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After last night's performance the quarterback competition looks even to me. Both quarterbacks proved they can move the offense. I like Beck because he more mobile. I respect the opinions of Jon Gruden and Ron Jaworski. Chucky and Jaws liked Beck as well.

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[quote=hail_2_da_skins;827817]After last night's performance the quarterback competition looks even to me. Both quarterbacks proved they can move the offense. I like Beck because he more mobile. I respect the opinions of Jon Gruden and Ron Jaworski. Chucky and Jaws liked Beck as well.[/quote]

Yeah I don't think much changed based on last night. And I think the coaches already have their minds made up anyway.

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[quote=Mattyk;827816]Yeah and once they're proven wrong, you never hear from them again.[/quote]

Probably because he's plotting his return for when Tortis (trademarked by Chico) proves Redskins wrong for cutting him. IN the meantime....





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Oh you'll hear from me, I've been a Rex supporter since he came in the league in 2003. And about Clinton Portis, Redskins fans shouldn't ever bash him because he was one of the only good parts of this offense for the past 6 years. It's a shame he couldn't have a quarterback like Rex Grossman taking the pressure off of him. I know what I'm talking about, I don't care what you think Matty, I know for a fact Rex Grossman will be a difference maker for the Washington Redskins in 2011.

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[quote=jonny5dicky;827804]Grossman threw 7 touchdown passes in 3 games last season on a sort of bad Redskins team last season. That's on pace for over 30 touchdown passes a season, and I think he can keep that pace especially with having the familiar target of Gaffney to throw to. Gaffney is a very underrated receiver that does everything right, and sorry for all the Grossman praise but I have a gut feeling that the Redskins success will mold together with him under center.[/quote]

I think this Grossman-Gaffney familiarity is just a teensy bit overblown.

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Redskins should have drafted both Grossman and Gaffney instead of that inaccurate loser Patrick Ramsey and Taylor Jacobs or whoever they got in 2003. Spurrier's offense would have been way better with Rex pulling the trigger.

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[quote=jonny5dicky;827824]Oh you'll hear from me, I've been a Rex supporter since he came in the league in 2003. And about Clinton Portis, Redskins fans shouldn't ever bash him because he was one of the only good parts of this offense for the past 6 years. It's a shame he couldn't have a quarterback like Rex Grossman taking the pressure off of him. I know what I'm talking about, [B]I don't care what you think Matty,[/B] I know for a fact Rex Grossman will be a difference maker for the Washington Redskins in 2011.[/quote]

Right back at ya.

You still haven't answered me, along with 4 picks and 4 fumbles that's not an acceptable amount of turnovers in 3 games. That doesn't concern you at all? He's always had a history of coughing it up. During his "magical" SB run he fumbled 8 times, losing 5 of them, along with 20 picks! C'mon man. Get off the Rex juice for a second and talk some reality.

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So your whole thing on this site then is just going to talk only about how awesome Rex is then?

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[quote=jonny5dicky;827824][B]Oh you'll hear from me, I've been a Rex supporter since he came in the league in 2003[/B]. And about Clinton Portis, Redskins fans shouldn't ever bash him because he was one of the only good parts of this offense for the past 6 years. It's a shame he couldn't have a quarterback like Rex Grossman taking the pressure off of him. I know what I'm talking about, I don't care what you think Matty, I know for a fact Rex Grossman will be a difference maker for the Washington Redskins in 2011.[/quote]

Jesus, thats gotta be tough

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I think one of those fumbles was in the Lions game, but still too many turnovers. Eli Manning threw 25 interceptions last season and he's still the quarterback of the Giants.
He had basically the same statistics as Rex did when the Giants won the super bowl. I can contribute more to the posts, but there is a real lack of any love for Rex being shown which is ridiculous. I guess only so many of us have a real eye for talent(me).

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By chance, I just ran up on a picture of jonny5dicky.



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Who would of thought he was a Gators fan?

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No it's more rough being a Redskins fan seeing all the stupid moves they've made until recently. Believe me.

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[quote=jonny5dicky;827840]I think one of those fumbles was in the Lions game, but still too many turnovers. Eli Manning threw 25 interceptions last season and he's still the quarterback of the Giants.
He had basically the same statistics as Rex did when the Giants won the super bowl. I can contribute more to the posts, but there is a real lack of any love for Rex being shown which is ridiculous. I guess only so many of us have a real eye for talent(me).[/quote]

I think most would agree with me on this... I'll be supporting whoever is behind center 110%.

But your blind love for Rex is getting a little old, and frankly it's just creepy. Nice to see you at least acknowledge he turns it over too much. To me that's a big concern.

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I wanted the Redskins to get Rex in the draft and they didn't. Now he's finally here and I'm excited about what he's going to do, that's all it is. I'm a fan and it will make for an incredible story if he's able to lead this team to a divisional title. I believe in Rex and what he has to say. Unwavering confidence in the face of adversity-That's Rex Grossman baby! GUNSLINGER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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[quote=jonny5dicky;827853]I wanted the Redskins to get Rex in the draft and they didn't. Now he's finally here and I'm excited about what he's going to do, that's all it is. I'm a fan and it will make for an incredible story if he's able to lead this team to a divisional title. I believe in Rex and what he has to say. Unwavering confidence in the face of adversity-That's Rex Grossman baby! GUNSLINGER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!![/quote]

What if Shanny goes with Beck?

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John Beck is the greatest quarterback in NFL history. He has a better arm than Marino. He has better field vision than Fouts. He is more clutch than Montana. And he is a better field general than Peyton Manning. When he had a chance to start he took that offense to heights unknown by other quarterbacks. Mark my words, this year Beck will make Patriots fans sad that Brady is their QB.

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[quote=jonny5dicky;827853]I wanted the Redskins to get Rex in the draft and they didn't. Now he's finally here and I'm excited about what he's going to do, that's all it is. I'm a fan and it will make for an incredible story if he's able to lead this team to a divisional title. I believe in Rex and what he has to say. Unwavering confidence in the face of adversity-That's Rex Grossman baby! GUNSLINGER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!![/quote]

I'm a fan of Rex...but I can't compete with this

I don't think we even had a chance at Rex that year. Bears picked him before we had a pick if I remember right

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[quote=Chico23231;827858]What if Shanny goes with Beck?[/quote]

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this thread has me crackin up! love the picture of the nat light gator fans! Love Chico's response in post 184

also think it's the first time I've seen anyone accused of being "creepy" on the warpath. This QB controversy, if we can call it that, is really bringing out the best in us!

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[quote=jonny5dicky;827840]I think one of those fumbles was in the Lions game, but still too many turnovers. Eli Manning threw 25 interceptions last season and he's still the quarterback of the Giants.
He had basically the same statistics as Rex did when the Giants won the super bowl. I can contribute more to the posts, but there is a real lack of any love for Rex being shown which is ridiculous. I guess only so many of us have a real eye for talent(me).[/quote]

You haven't shown yet any ability to contribute more to this site. I mean you haven't said a thing about any other position. All you've done is tell us how spectacularly awesome Rex is and how we're all stupid for not seeing it.

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[quote=SmootSmack;827866][B]You haven't shown yet any ability to contribute more to this site.[/B] I mean you haven't said a thing about any other position. All you've done is tell us how spectacularly awesome Rex is and how we're all stupid for not seeing it.[/quote]

Have you seen his reasoning for his love for Rex? What do you expect?

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jonnydick you see this:

[url=http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=2234765579]Rex Grossman: The Worst QB to ever play in the Super Bowl | Facebook[/url]


strange, who is the creator and president? interesting

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Really premature to call him the worst quarterback to ever play in the super bowl since that was his first full season as a starting quarterback.

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I'm sure we would have pursued Grossman in 2003 if we hadn't already spent a first rounder on Ramsey the year before. I think we traded down to get Taylor Jacobs but I'm not sure. That whole Bears team played like crap in that super bowl, I think they gave up nearly 200 yards rushing to the Colts, a team that rarely achieves those figures. There were fumbles, breakdowns in coverages, but that's okay we'll just blame it all on Rex.