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I'll see RG3 in person Sat when OU travels to Baylor.. I'm excited about it

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[quote=skinsfaninok;859920]I'll see RG3 in person Sat when OU travels to Baylor.. I'm excited about it[/quote]

Have fun.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;859924]Have fun.[/quote]


Hope so man, Baylor is actually fun too watch this yr

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[quote=musicmaster45;859886]I think we could get away with reciever in the first round and quarter back early second. All depends on who comes out and teams deciding they need to draft a qb. Teams who need a qb of the top of my head:
Cleveland
Miami
Washington
anyone else?[/quote]

Depends on if Indy holds onto Manning another year and seeing how Painter can't lead the Colts out of a paper bag, they might wanna invest in a QB of some sort.

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Just in case Barkley, L. Jones, Luck, and Griffin III all decide to stay in college for the senior years, the Redskins need to keep a watchful eye on potential trades to land a QB. If not that, then they should be in the know of which QBs will be free agents come early march.

Are there any actual senior QBs that are worth of a 1st round selection?

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;859966]Just in case Barkley, L. Jones, Luck, and Griffin III all decide to stay in college for the senior years, the Redskins need to keep a watchful eye on potential trades to land a QB. If not that, then they should be in the know of which QBs will be free agents come early march.

Are there any actual senior QBs that are worth of a 1st round selection?[/quote]

Or we hold our load and build another part of the team, wait till they declare themselves eligible, and then draft one of them.

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Nick Foles is the best Senior QB IMO. Tannehill is a senior, as is Weeden, and Kellen Moore.

I don't like Tannehill, he's too inconsistent, and is still learning the QB position.
Weeden is too old. He'll be 30 in two years.
Kellen Moore I like but you can't all your hope in him that he'll be the answer with so many scouts doubting his potential.

Nick Foles is 6'5 240lbs, with a strong arm, accurate, 4 year starter, has good awareness, and plays with WR's that aren't 'number inflaters' for him.

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[url=http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/tony_pauline/11/14/risers.week.11/index.html?sct=nfl_bf2_a8]Kellen Moore's pro potential being compared to Drew Brees - Tony Pauline - SI.com[/url]

Good read on prospects such as Kellen Moore, Chandler Harnish, TY Hilton, a BYU NT like Haloti Ngata, and Justin Blackmon

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I simply don't trust MS to pick a QB and he shouldn't have the final say. It should be a decision made by the organization. But they must draft a QB with that first pick. I don't care if he doesn't fit your stupid "system" ...get the best guy Shanahan! .. you stubborn ass eogmaniac!!!!

After that they had damn well better draft some o-linemen. Enough is enough. What got this team 3 SB's was having a dominant o-line. A center and a guard is simply a must! I know some will want to get a wr, Bowe and Colston will be free agents. Just don't overpay, espeically for an often injuried Colston and an inconsistent Bowe. But they may have to go that route.

And third, I really wouldn't worry about the defense. Get back Jenkins, put in Riley and let's roll with that. My point is when was the last time we had a offense that could consistently score some damn points? I think we'd have to go back to when we had Brad Johnson. This upcoming draft and free agent period has got to be geared 100% on offense.

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[quote=skinsfan69;860010]I simply don't trust MS to pick a QB and he shouldn't have the final say. It should be a decision made by the organization. But they must draft a QB with that first pick. I don't care if he doesn't fit your stupid "system" ...get the best guy Shanahan! .. you stubborn ass eogmaniac!!!!

After that they had damn well better draft some o-linemen. Enough is enough. What got this team 3 SB's was having a dominant o-line. A center and a guard is simply a must! I know some will want to get a wr, Bowe and Colston will be free agents. Just don't overpay, espeically for an often injuried Colston and an inconsistent Bowe. But they may have to go that route.

And third, I really wouldn't worry about the defense. Get back Jenkins, put in Riley and let's roll with that. My point is when was the last time we had a offense that could consistently score some damn points? I think we'd have to go back to when we had Brad Johnson. This upcoming draft and free agent period has got to be geared 100% on offense.[/quote]


He did draft Jay Cutler but I feel your frustration

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[quote=skinsfaninok;860018]He did draft Jay Cutler but I feel your frustration[/quote]

I agree. But here he just hasn't done a good job with that position..McNabb, shoving that Beck crap down everyone's throat. We're two years in and still don't have a QB. So with such a crucial pick that they simply can't afford to miss on, everyone should have a say and hopefully everyone will.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;859970]Nick Foles is the best Senior QB IMO. Tannehill is a senior, as is Weeden, and Kellen Moore.

I don't like Tannehill, he's too inconsistent, and is still learning the QB position.
Weeden is too old. He'll be 30 in two years.
Kellen Moore I like but you can't all your hope in him that he'll be the answer with so many scouts doubting his potential.

Nick Foles is 6'5 240lbs, with a strong arm, accurate, 4 year starter, has good awareness, and plays with WR's that aren't 'number inflaters' for him.[/quote]

Foles is interesting and boy does he look the part. I've seen a few Arizona games this year. No question the guy can sling it.

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If a guy like Moore is available in the 3rd or 4th, it would be worth it to draft him in addition to taking a QB w/our 1st. I'm sure they'll at least find a UDFA or a late round qb to compete for a backup spot.

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[quote=skinsfan69;860021]I agree. But here he just hasn't done a good job with that position..McNabb, shoving that Beck crap down everyone's throat. We're two years in and still don't have a QB. So with such a crucial pick that they simply can't afford to miss on, everyone should have a say and hopefully everyone will.[/quote]


I'll be honest if he wasn't MS then I'd be calling for a new coach, some of his decisions have just been down right stupid..

1. Trade JC
2. Trade for DM
3. Bring in Rex for DM
(Trade DM and don't draft a QB?)
4. Talk up Beck like he's the starter
5. Start Rex instead
6. Bench Rex for Beck
7. Bench Beck for Rex

ALL IN A 1 1/2 year span

WTF Dude????

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JC needed a freshstart elsewhere.
I think that the organization made an attempt to suck for Bradford by keeping Zorn, knowing that he would be fired. It blew up in their faces when he went number 1.

Most GM's would have made that move for DM because Reid covered his issues well in Philly. We were dupped. I think the staff knew before the year even started that this year would turn out this way so they are willing to bear through it to get to a Qb rich draft class this year.

I think they should of made a stronger push for Matt Leinart.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;860028][B]I'll be honest if he wasn't MS[/B] then I'd be calling for a new coach, some of his decisions have just been down right stupid..

1. Trade JC
2. Trade for DM
3. Bring in Rex for DM
(Trade DM and don't draft a QB?)
4. Talk up Beck like he's the starter
5. Start Rex instead
6. Bench Rex for Beck
7. Bench Beck for Rex

ALL IN A 1 1/2 year span

WTF Dude????[/quote]

Bingo. Honestly, I think a lot of people are riding Shanahan's reputation to justify his mistakes.

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[quote=diehardskin2982;860031]JC needed a freshstart elsewhere.
I think that the organization made an attempt to suck for Bradford by keeping Zorn, knowing that he would be fired. It blew up in their faces when he went number 1.

Most GM's would have made that move for DM because Reid covered his issues well in Philly. We were dupped. I think the staff knew before the year even started that this year would turn out this way so they are willing to bear through it to get to a Qb rich draft class this year.

I think they should of made a stronger push for Matt Leinart.[/quote]


No way to Leinart but should have to Matt Flynn

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[quote=Ruhskins;860038]Bingo. Honestly, I think a lot of people are riding Shanahan's reputation to justify his mistakes.[/quote]


Yeah I mean hes a 2 time SB Champ but.... His tenure wont last much longer with these kinds of mistakes

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[quote=skinsfaninok;860041]Yeah I mean hes a 2 time SB Champ but.... His tenure wont last much longer with these kinds of mistakes[/quote]

He made a lot of mistakes in Denver. Didn't get the axe until he refused to fire Slowik(hmmmmm, Dan might get the urge to fire Kyle....hmmmm).

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[url=http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/blog/dr_saturday/post/Landry-Jones-8217-truck-was-a-victim-of-tire-j?urn=ncaaf-wp9977]Landry Jones’ truck was a victim of tire-jacking - Dr. Saturday - NCAAF Blog - Yahoo! Sports[/url]

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[quote=Ruhskins;860038]Bingo. Honestly, I think a lot of people are riding Shanahan's reputation to justify his mistakes.[/quote]

Or maybe in a wider perspective, the mistakes are simply the result of little too much delusion and a coach being a coach(win at all costs). He is going through mental purging right now and probably has smelled the flowers. He has no choice but engage in a rebuild or suffer even more of his own personal embarassment(shutout, 5 losses in a row). If his ego is as big as it is, the wounds must be critical now and he would finally be motivated to build this team the right way. I'm willing to give him a chance to do that, and hopefully he does do that.

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I am a broken record on this topic but identify and draft the franchise QB in April AT ANY COST. There is no more time to sit back and hope one falls from the sky...Make it happen!

I would also resign Laron Landry & Fletcher assuming the deals are reasonable.

I would go after Vincent Jackson(unless he is franchised)...we need a #1 WR to help our young QB and we can't afford to just project one of our young players into that role.

Add 2 new OL to the mix. Our season went to hell when Lichtensteiger went down. Losing one Guard should not destroy your offense. It's clear we have no depth there.

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;860064]Or maybe in a wider perspective, the mistakes are simply the result of little too much delusion and a coach being a coach(win at all costs). He is going through mental purging right now and probably has smelled the flowers. [B]He has no choice but engage in a rebuild[/B] or suffer even more of his own personal embarassment(shutout, 5 losses in a row). If his ego is as big as it is, the wounds must be critical now and he would finally be motivated to build this team the right way. I'm willing to give him a chance to do that, and hopefully he does do that.[/quote]

In his defense, I think much of what's been done already is a rebuild, other than the McNabb trade. I think we should give him more credit for foresight than we do. He was out of coaching for a year & had a lot of time to study. He knew this team was a mess, a lot of that has changed even if we're not seeing wins.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;860028]I'll be honest if he wasn't MS then I'd be calling for a new coach, some of his decisions have just been down right stupid..

1. Trade JC
2. Trade for DM
3. Bring in Rex for DM
(Trade DM and don't draft a QB?)
4. Talk up Beck like he's the starter
5. Start Rex instead
6. Bench Rex for Beck
7. Bench Beck for Rex

ALL IN A 1 1/2 year span

WTF Dude????[/quote]

1. A lot of people thought we should trade JC and JC was on the block well before Shannhy showed up
2. Didn't mind that but there should have been a move to develop someone
3. I don't know that he brought him in for DM, but as mentioned in #2, there should be someone they could develop
4. I don't think he ever hyped Beck up publically as much as others did
5. Staring Rex over Beck is always the right move
6 and 7. QB Shuffling is historically par for the course here, even in our best years

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[YT]_C8F0cWvAfo[/YT]

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[quote=skinsfaninok;860041]Yeah I mean hes a 2 time SB Champ but.... His tenure wont last much longer with these kinds of mistakes[/quote]

His last few years in Denver were not real good and that's why he got fired. But I hope Snyder doesn't fire the guy. We need some stability around here. But I would not have him doing personel anymore cause he's proven that he can't get in done in that area. Let the scouts do their job.

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[quote=SmootSmack;860069]1. A lot of people thought we should trade JC and JC was on the block well before Shannhy showed up
2. Didn't mind that but there should have been a move to develop someone
3. I don't know that he brought him in for DM, but as mentioned in #2, there should be someone they could develop
4. I don't think he ever hyped Beck up publically as much as others did
5. Staring Rex over Beck is always the right move
6 and 7. QB Shuffling is historically par for the course here, even in our best years[/quote]

Yeah
#1- I think we as fans were tired of JC as well. Atleast I was and still am.
#4- I wonder what exactly Beck was told cause I think it was more Beck hyping himself prior to the season saying he would be the starter.

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On a side note I thought this was an interesting Mock 2012 Draft....

[URL="http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/Peter-Schrager-Midseason-NFL-Mock-Draft-111411"]Peter Schrager's 2012 NFL Mock Draft: Who to watch at the midseason point - NFL News | FOX Sports on MSN[/URL]

[QUOTE]
[B]6. [URL="http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/team/washington-redskins/67062"][COLOR=#265970]Washington Redskins[/COLOR][/URL]: Landry Jones, QB, Oklahoma:[/B] Redskins fans would be awfully happy to see Jones slip to the sixth pick. After passing on selecting [URL="http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/player/christian-ponder/1268618"][B][COLOR=#265970]Christian Ponder[/COLOR][/B][/URL], [URL="http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/player/blaine-gabbert/1268607"][B][COLOR=#265970]Blaine Gabbert[/COLOR][/B][/URL] and [URL="http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/player/andy-dalton/1268786"][B][COLOR=#265970]Andy Dalton[/COLOR][/B][/URL] last April, and opting to head into the season with a [URL="http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/player/rex-grossman/140445"][B][COLOR=#265970]Rex Grossman[/COLOR][/B][/URL]/[URL="http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/player/john-beck/469585"][B][COLOR=#265970]John Beck[/COLOR][/B][/URL] two-headed creature at quarterback, Mike Shanahan would grab Jones if he’s still on the board come April. A 6-4, 240-pound three-year starter with perhaps the best arm in this year’s draft class, some pundits are higher on Jones than both Luck and Barkley.
[/QUOTE]

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[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5q_w0LJNm3E]Landry Jones 2010 Highlights - YouTube[/url]

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Again I'd be shocked if LJ came out

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[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8aM6Nq2gPh8]Landry Jones vs Texas 2011 - YouTube[/url]

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[quote=skinsfaninok;860105]Again I'd be shocked if LJ came out[/quote]

I'm not a college fan so I'm guessing he's got another year of college or more?

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they have Blackmon at 2, wheres my boy Quake now?

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[quote=Dirtbag59;860071][YT]_C8F0cWvAfo[/YT][/quote]

They should totally go after this [url=http://www.nfl.com/videos/new-orleans-saints/09000d5d8216c9ee/Chase-Daniel-25-yard-pass]guy[/url]

I still miss him every time I see our QB play :(

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[quote=SmootSmack;860117]They should totally go after this [URL="http://www.nfl.com/videos/new-orleans-saints/09000d5d8216c9ee/Chase-Daniel-25-yard-pass"]guy[/URL]

I still miss him every time I see our QB play :([/quote]Great fit for KS's system, quick reads, high accuracy is a must. Guy has both, no question...if only he cracked 5' 10".

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[quote=SBXVII;860109]I'm not a college fan so I'm guessing he's got another year of college or more?[/quote]

red shirt jr

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[quote=skinsfaninok;860120]red shirt jr[/quote]

Ok this is where I show how smart I am. lol. NOT. I don't get the whole "red shirt" stuff. I know, I know. Poke fun all you want I can take it. Atleast I hope. lol.

[quote]
The term [B]redshirt freshman[/B] indicates an academic [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sophomore"][COLOR=#0000ff]sophomore[/COLOR][/URL] (second-year student) who is in his first season of athletic eligibility. A redshirt freshman is distinguished from a true freshman (first-year student) as one who has practiced with the team for the prior season. The term [B]redshirt sophomore[/B] is also commonly used to indicate an academic [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Junior"][COLOR=#0000ff]junior[/COLOR][/URL] (third-year student) who is in the second season of athletic eligibility. After the sophomore year, the term redshirt is rarely used, in favor of [B]fourth-year junior[/B] and fifth-year [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Senior"][COLOR=#0000ff]senior[/COLOR][/URL].
[/quote]

So if I'm reading this are you saying he's in his fourth-year of school but is considered a Junior because of being red shirted?

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;860118]Great fit for KS's system, quick reads, high accuracy is a must. Guy has both, no question...if only he cracked 5' 10".[/quote]

Kellen Moore has that and cracks 5'10"...barely

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[quote=SmootSmack;860146]Kellen Moore has that and cracks 5'10"...barely[/quote]Between Moore & Chase, I'd get Chase if he goes FA. I don't know what his contract status is. No problem with a 4th or so on Moore.

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;860149]Between Moore & Chase, I'd get Chase if he goes FA. I don't know what his contract status is. No problem with a 4th or so on Moore.[/quote]

He's a restricted free agent. Saints have no intention of letting him go. But he could start here