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[quote=skinsfaninok;872524]U blame em? I think he did a while back to but still he dominates every team that has played OSU[/quote]

He is a great player and I take back the character issue thing after the story with the little girl with cancer. I still want Luck!!

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[quote=Paintrain;872515]What??? I can see the Browns taking RGIII (but QB isn't even in their top 3 needs) the Rams & Bucs, each of whom have drafted a 1st round QB in the past 3 years are now going to want RGIII also? If that's the case (which it won't be) that's great for us because then a young QB will be easily available for us![/quote]

Well lets just for a moment look at each...

Colts- no way they pass on Luck.

Rams- "IF" Luck was passed up they would take him. Otherwise... RGIII. I just don't think they are as satisfied with Bradford as others think, and the rumors of the Rams trading Bradford and taking RGIII does not help.

Vikes- I doubt would take another QB. I think they stick with their 2011 draft pick.

Browns- are rumored to want RGIII. Especially if he's available still.

Bucks- funny I'm also a Bucks fan and didn't know/care that they took a QB recently. Maybe cause I didn't like their HC so I didn't pay too much attention to them the last couple a years since Gruden was fired. But whoever they had just didn't stick out as a "franchise" QB to me. I could see whoever takes over wanting to get "their" QB.

Redkins- hopefully whoever is the next best QB on the list. Maybe we should take a second look at Weeden from OSU since they just beat Stanford and gave Luck a loss in the bowl game.

Can I say this Mock Draft sucks?...
[url=http://aol.sportingnews.com/nfl/story/2012-01-02/2012-nfl-draft-preliminary-order-set-for-first-20-picks]2012 NFL Draft: Preliminary order set for first 20 picks - NFL - Sporting News[/url]

they think we need a DT yet Jarvis Jenkins will be coming back next year. WTF? How about QB, WR, FS, or OL, before we pick another DT.

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[url=http://espn.go.com/blog/nfceast/post/_/id/34674/shanahan-mailbag-skins-need-a-no-1-wr]Shanahan mailbag: Skins need a No. 1 WR - NFC East Blog - ESPN[/url]

Good read about Shanahan and what we need

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If Luck, and RGIII are off the board and whoever MS is looking at, at QB is supposed to be a 2nd round pick would you take a top WR to compliment Hankerson and pick the QB in the 2nd round?

I know we are not satisfied but lets just say the coaching staff is somewhat ok with the OL. Then the only major worries would be QB, and WR on the offensive side of the ball. I think MS is happy with Hightower, Hulu, and Royster at RB for next year. Then we have at TE Cooley (if he's able to come back), Davis, and Paulsen (not to mention Quinn and Myers). I could see another FB as depth with Young.

So if the Skins are eyeing someone who is supposed to be 2nd round material then I'd either take him anyway at #6-1st round to ensure I had him or maybe I'd take the top WR to have another weapon on offense then take a QB in the second round. or just trade back again like last year for more picks and take the QB I wanted later in the 1st round.

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OSU Weeden looked pretty good and sharp.

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[quote=Paintrain;872515]What??? I can see the Browns taking RGIII (but QB isn't even in their top 3 needs) the Rams & Bucs, each of whom have drafted a 1st round QB in the past 3 years are now going to want RGIII also? If that's the case (which it won't be) that's great for us because then a young QB will be easily available for us![/quote]

For any team that is need of a qb, the qb is always the number 1 need.

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[quote=SBXVII;872532]If Luck, and RGIII are off the board and whoever MS is looking at, at QB is supposed to be a 2nd round pick would you take a top WR to compliment Hankerson and pick the QB in the 2nd round?

I know we are not satisfied but lets just say the coaching staff is somewhat ok with the OL. Then the only major worries would be QB, and WR on the offensive side of the ball. I think MS is happy with Hightower, Hulu, and Royster at RB for next year. Then we have at TE Cooley (if he's able to come back), Davis, and Paulsen (not to mention Quinn and Myers). I could see another FB as depth with Young.

So if the Skins are eyeing someone who is supposed to be 2nd round material then I'd either take him anyway at #6-1st round to ensure I had him or maybe I'd take the top WR to have another weapon on offense then take a QB in the second round. or just trade back again like last year for more picks and take the QB I wanted later in the 1st round.[/quote]

Hankerson, Blackmon, Davis, Cooley, Gaffney, Moss. Who ya gonna cover, who ya gonna cover?

Oh, sometimes I wish it worked like that. Would be so much easier then finding the right trigger man. Still I don't know. I still say you either go hard for RGIII or sign Flynn. Tannehill does not seem like a franchise QB.

1. Bradford
2. RGIII
3. Dalton
4. Flynn
5. Locker

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My mind is made up -- I want Justin Blackmon in Burgundy and Gold. 'Nuff said.

Funny, tonight Fletcher tweeted Andrew Luck would look good in Burgundy and Gold.

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Call me crazy, but I think we stand at #6, and we get RG3.

The Browns do still have McCoy, and if they let Hillis walk, I think they'll be more concerned about upgrading WR or RB.

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[quote=Dirtbag59;872537]Hankerson, Blackmon, Davis, Cooley, Gaffney, Moss. Who ya gonna cover, who ya gonna cover?

Oh, sometimes I wish it worked like that. Would be so much easier then finding the right trigger man. Still I don't know. I still say you either go hard for RGIII or sign Flynn. Tannehill does not seem like a franchise QB.

1. Bradford
2. RGIII
3. Dalton
4. Flynn
5. Locker[/quote]

I'd love for us to get Luck or RGIII but I think they will already be gone and I don't subscribe to the idea of throwing our whole draft away to get either one.

I'm not sure what you numbering system was for? I'm guessing your thinking Bradford if we can trade for him, RGIII if he's available, you lost me with Dalton (Cinci ?) unless there is another Dalton declaring this year there is no way Cinci trades away Dalton. I understand you like Flynn, and Locker? So I'm confused with the numbers 3 and 5. They were just drafted last year and I would presume their teams would like to keep them and see if they become something special. Dalton will be.

Here's my plan... (JK)... the Skins trade out of the #6 pick for more picks and take a QB late in the 1st round. In the 2nd round they trade out and hopefully from the 1st round trade they get a mid 2nd and a late 2nd by trading back.... take a WR, and another QB (lol), then in the 3rd round trade one of the two 3rd rounders (our original and the second from the trade back in the 2nd round) and take a OL, and QB (lol) so see where I'm going with this.... lol. maybe if every other pick we take a QB one or two will work out and we can cut Beck and the one who sat on the PS all year for the two new guys. lol. keep trading back picking up more picks in order to off set all the QB's being taken. lol.

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Out of the two games I watched tonight Rose Bowl and Fiesta Bowl I was impressed with Lucks decision making, Weeden's as well and his accuracy, and Oregons Darren Thomas. I think if Luck and RGIII are off the board then I'd go WR hopefully Blackmon to compliment Hankerson, Moss, and Gaffney. Then I'd take the QB in 2nd round. Maybe I'd look to trading back in other rounds and if another young QB was available I might take a 4th or later round QB for the PS. Hopefully out of the two one steps up and helps out the team so we can sit Grossman.

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if you can't get luck/RGIII, sign flynn and draft blackmon/claiborne... whatever happens, don't whiff.

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[quote=SBXVII;872546]
I'm not sure what you numbering system was for? I'm guessing your thinking Bradford if we can trade for him, RGIII if he's available, you lost me with Dalton (Cinci ?) unless there is another Dalton declaring this year there is no way Cinci trades away Dalton. I understand you like Flynn, and Locker? So I'm confused with the numbers 3 and 5. They were just drafted last year and I would presume their teams would like to keep them and see if they become something special. Dalton will be.
[/quote]

The list was made to show how I view previously considered prospects to the two main options this year in RG3 and Flynn. Obviously we won't be acquiring Locker or Dalton anytime in the near future and the chance of getting Bradford is less then 5%.

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[B]Redskins will trade up to aquire Robert Griffin III by out biding other teams[/B]

The redskins need a QB - desperately. Rex Grossman will not be the guy - he won't even be invited back to camp. I don't even know who john Beck is or even if he is an actual NFL QB. For all I know, he was some guy selling hotdogs when Kyle "discovered" him while "freshening up" in the Fed Ex men's room.

Redskins absolutely have the firepower to move up - the 6th pick this year....a second, a third and next years first.

This won't count, but I'll post it anyway....

[url=http://www.draftcountdown.com/features/Value-Chart.php]Draft Countdown - Trade Value Chart[/url]

The war for the second pick that the Rams do not want will come with a price - a steep one. Other teams will look to trade up at the last minute, driving up the price even higher. Redskins can do without next years first - unless they nab a great prospect, there is no next year. Shanny and crew will will have plenty of time to watch the games on ESPN while they all look for work.

Trading up for Luck is out of the question. The Colts understand how important it is to have a franchise QB. Any deal for Luck would have to include all of Dan the man's money, a cure for herpes and the Washington monument.

This trade will actually involve at least three teams, I expect the Skins to trade pics/players with another team first (Minnesota?) before trading that pick along with this years second to the Rams (the Rams have Stafford and don't want Griffin).

Now, the thing about Minny, is they need a LT - skins will trade Trent Williams, who has undoubtedly fallen out a favor with the front office for a SECOND rounder. Redskins already have a suitable replacement even though no one knows his name - that's because Willie Smith is a football player - not a 'star.'

[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IwzJSw8jJm8&feature=player_embedded#]G.Bush 2012 Draft Profiles (Robert Griffin III) - YouTube[/url]!

The most important reason that this trade will happen, is that Dan Snyder cannot miss out on an opportunity to flex his mighty wallet muscle. I wish I had one......that is to say, I wish mine were a bit more well developed.

OK, maybe not.....a fan can dream, though, right?

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RGIII Scouting Report - [url=http://bleacherreport.com/articles/979087-robert-griffin-iii-2012-nfl-draft-scouting-report]Robert Griffin III: 2012 NFL Draft Scouting Report | Bleacher Report[/url]

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Justin Blackmon looked like a young Terrell Owens out there last night. I'm not one for taking wr's early in the draft, but that guy looked like a man among boys last night. Wow!

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I have been saying for quite a while that the draft this year is pretty deep with QB's. I would personally draft Blackmon from Oak St. He is by far the most dynamic and immediate impact playing coming out this year. (if we have the ability to draft him) If not we see what QB is there, but I have a feeling RGIII will be gone (cleveland). Not sure where Tannahill (Texas A&M) will go, but not sure he's worth top 10. I'd try to get Blackmon or maybe slide down a little and pick up Alshon Jefferies from S.Car. I think there are QB's we can get in the 2nd round to develop. THere are some FA out there that can play next year, and we wait to get Barkley. Big gamble here because if Shanny doesn't dramatically improve the W's he may not get a chance for a 4th year.

There is also Kurt Cousins from Mich St. He has a great arm, makes all the throws. He will probably be around mid to late 2nd.

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Blackmon is a stud. If he fell to us at #6 I'd have no problem with taking him.

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[quote=Mattyk;872574]Blackmon is a stud. If he fell to us at #6 I'd have no problem with taking him.[/quote]


Interesting you and I agree on something, as we hardly ever do. Given your agreement on Blackmon, what QB would you target in the 2nd round (if thats what we do) or would you target a FA if the price was decent.

Or with the possible available FA WR, would you go after one of them aggressively and move up to get one of the QB's.

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How about Blackmon at 6, Jayron Hosely CB VA Tech in 2nd, and Matt Flynn?

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[quote=#56fanatic;872577]Interesting you and I agree on something, as we hardly ever do. Given your agreement on Blackmon, what QB would you target in the 2nd round (if thats what we do) or would you target a FA if the price was decent.

Or with the possible available FA WR, would you go after one of them aggressively and move up to get one of the QB's.[/quote]

How about Flynn in free agency and Blackmon with #6? Hell, I like what someone else said about getting both Flynn AND RGIII. If they both pan out, great! We'll have a player that could garner multiple first round picks one day.

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[quote=#56fanatic;872577]Interesting you and I agree on something, as we hardly ever do. Given your agreement on Blackmon, what QB would you target in the 2nd round (if thats what we do) or would you target a FA if the price was decent.

Or with the possible available FA WR, would you go after one of them aggressively and move up to get one of the QB's.[/quote]

I could see us trading back up to grab Tannehill late in the 1st based on what SS has said.

Of the available FA WRs honestly none of them thrill me. Bowe talent wise is probably the big catch but I'm not really a huge fan of his.

[QUOTE=skinsfan69;872571]Justin Blackmon looked like a young Terrell Owens out there last night. I'm not one for taking wr's early in the draft, but that guy looked like a man among boys last night. Wow![/QUOTE]



he has all season and did last year as I've said on here he's a monster and a cant miss wr. If u think dez has talent just watch JB plus he's a team guy

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[quote=WestCoastSkinsFan;872545]Call me crazy, but I think we stand at #6, and we get RG3.

The Browns do still have McCoy, and if they let Hillis walk, I think they'll be more concerned about upgrading WR or RB.[/quote]

Plus you never know how his combine performance will affect his draft position. He could easily slide a little.

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[quote=FRPLG;872489]To me...this. The failures of that team come down to this...they went in the total tank once Manning was out. Any team built in such a manner is a house of cards. They should be shot for letting the team become so talent-poor. The perils of having a stud QB I guess...you have to pay them and it kills your talent unless you are particularly good a drafting young cheap talent to cycle in.[/quote]I don't think the Colts are as talent limited as they seemed early this year.
Curtis Painter is not a good QB by any stretch.
He's probably the worst QB in the NFL.
When Dan Orlovosky sparks an uptick in performance its a telling indictment on the previous QB.

Also, their defense was terrible and a portion of that blame goes to the coaching.

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I still beleive Luck is in play and the Colts are listening to folks. Some team is going to break the bank on that pick.

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[quote=Mattyk;872581]I could see us trading back up to grab Tannehill late in the 1st based on what SS has said.

Of the available FA WRs honestly none of them thrill me. Bowe talent wise is probably the big catch but I'm not really a huge fan of his.[/quote]


Yeah I agree with Tannehill. He has played well all season, like his arm and ability to make all of the throws a NFL QB is required to throw. Played in a big time conference with major competition. I like the possibilty of Blackmon and Tannehill, or if Blackmon is gone...Alshon Jeffries from S. Car. He is a stud as well, just not the speed of Blackmon. Alshon is probably more realistic with the 6th pick. Carolina to me will probably take him or St Louis.

I dont see how Carolina can pass on him. With Newton those two could be a tandem for years. Plus Steve Smith has lobbied for years to get a #1 WR, that he'd be happy as a #2. (hard to believe)

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[quote=Mattyk;872574]Blackmon is a stud. If he fell to us at #6 I'd have no problem with taking him.[/quote]

The only problem I'd have with taking him is that it would mean that we once again are settling at the QB position. For me, anything less than Luck or RGIII out of this draft will be a huge disappointment.

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[quote=Paintrain;872590]The only problem I'd have with taking him is that it would mean that we once again are settling at the QB position. For me, anything less than Luck or RGIII out of this draft will be a huge disappointment.[/quote]

Seems that the word is they are very high on Tannehill to begin with, so it really wouldn't be settling if they were getting their guy in the end.

Moving up to grab Luck or RGIII is going to be costly, and what if Cleveland is fine with sitting there and taking RGIII? I'm not even really thinking about Luck. Just doesn't seem possible.

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Everyone keeps talking about drafting Blackmon, falling to #6. I'm all for drafting the guy but with his skill set and team centered mentality, I just don't see him falling to #6. I think St. Louis would be remiss not to take him at #2. I just don't see it happening as much as I would like it.

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[quote=Paintrain;872590]The only problem I'd have with taking him is that it would mean that we once again are settling at the QB position. For me, anything less than Luck or RGIII out of this draft will be a huge disappointment.[/quote]

Neither guy is going to be there by the time we pick.

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[quote=Mattyk;872592]Seems that the word is they are very high on Tannehill to begin with, so it really wouldn't be settling if they were getting their guy in the end...[/quote]

We've heard "the word is they are very high on..." before.

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[quote=diehard;872595]We've heard "the word is they are very high on..." before.[/quote]

The front office, or Fred Davis and Trent Williams? :Smoker:

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[quote=Mattyk;872592]Seems that the word is they are very high on Tannehill to begin with, so it really wouldn't be settling if they were getting their guy in the end.

Moving up to grab Luck or RGIII is going to be costly, and what if Cleveland is fine with sitting there and taking RGIII? I'm not even really thinking about Luck. Just doesn't seem possible.[/quote]

In terms of settling, I'm referring to someone who is on the 2nd tier of QB prospects. Luck and RGIII are considered elite prospects. Tannehill, Jones and Foles are all considered next tier or below. To me, that just signals 'same old-same old' following the pattern we've been in at that position for 20+ years. I won't go as far as to say I don't care about the cost to move up, but I'm close to that. I know the Giants don't regret the cost to get Eli, we will be looking at a similar price to get to the Rams pick at #2. Luck is in play as long as Peyton remains on the Colts roster because he will force a trade rather than sit.

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[quote=30gut;872585]I don't think the Colts are as talent limited as they seemed early this year.
Curtis Painter is not a good QB by any stretch.
He's probably the worst QB in the NFL.
When Dan Orlovosky sparks an uptick in performance its a telling indictment on the previous QB.

Also, their defense was terrible and a portion of that blame goes to the coaching.[/quote]

Newsflash...their defense has always been very talent-poor. Due to the stud ends who kept them competitive and the fact that teams had to play from behind so much they were able to hide the fact that their defense was mostly junk for the last decade.

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Personally I don't buy that Manning will force the Colts hand and prevent them from drafting Luck but we'll see. And I don't think Luck or RGIII are the only viable solutions at QB either.

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I know this...we're going to get a very good player at 6 or wherever we end up. The possibilities at 6 are loaded with studs. Seems like a pretty top-heavy draft. They real key to this draft is what happens with RGIII.

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If Luck, RGIII and Blackmon are gone by the time the skins pick, I say trade down draft David DeCastro (beast G) and with the other pick a CB. Pick Foles in the 2nd. DeCastro is the type of guard this team needs, wonder why Stanford's is so good in the running game?

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[quote=Mattyk;872592]Seems that the word is they are very high on Tannehill to begin with, so it really wouldn't be settling if they were getting their guy in the end.

Moving up to grab Luck or RGIII is going to be costly, and what if Cleveland is fine with sitting there and taking RGIII? I'm not even really thinking about Luck. Just doesn't seem possible.[/quote]

I could see this. Either picking Blackmon or trading down some slots to draft someone else, then sliding back up to take Tannehill. I agree, the cost of trading up will be significant and I'm not sure we'd be willing to gamble that much.

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[quote=SmootSmack;872331]6th pick going to Rams as part of deal for Bradford. Fisher gets some ammo to build around RG3 when he's ready to take over for Peyton Manning[/quote]

Part of? I would like to think that's pretty much the entire deal. He can't be worth much more then that off the 1st 2 years he's had. I still love him but I would think his value has to be a little lower then it was when he entered the league.